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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 26 Jul 15 11.55am

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.43am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 10.21am

Serial Thriller - so what are you suggesting is done then about the migrants in Calais then?


House them and stop causing the international tensions which result in so many fleeing their country of origin.

I have a question for those on the right who have no sympathy with these poor folk: how bad would things have to get in Britain for you to leave? Would you leave if war broke out? If bombings were frequent? Jeremy Corbyn became PM?

So what you are saying is that whoever turns up at the French port of Calais, regardless of how many there are, we should house them. Is this what you are actually suggesting?

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (26 Jul 2015 11.56am)

 


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Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Jul 2015 11.03am

All you lot that are suggesting we let these people in conveniently ignore the fact that there is a shortage of housing, schools, hospitals, and GP's already to cope with demand.

We cannot build enough houses, schools or hospitals quickly enough even if we had the room. Our green belt land is needed for agriculture to feed those already here.

Most of these migrants are not asylum seekers, they are economic tourists looking for a better life and should be returned home.

Africa was better off when run by the Europeans - all of them clamoured for Independence and most have pretty much fcuked up their countries beyond belief economically and have turned them into war zones fighting amongst themselves for power. The "lucky ones" like Zimbabwe have a certain amount of stability but under control by an evil dictator like Mugabe. The others are in utter chaos, but it's all of their own doing.

We owe these people nothing.


Is the correct answer, well said.


It's not the correct answer, it's full of holes, but it is well said.

Every point was correct, in my view.....It's pretty much the majority view in the country.

Politically you're really living in Scotland Kermy.


 


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Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.45am

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Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 11.22am

I think we should send them all to Bristol


Come on Hoof. If you were unlucky enough to be born in Eritrea or some other piss poor corrupt no future hell hole you'd be on yer invisible bike and in Calais as an economic migrant in no time rather than just accept your fate.

Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jul 2015 11.25am)

I dont think anybody on here is suggesting that they except their fate. The anger and frustration is aimed towards the British and French governments inability to deal with the situation.
What would be your suggestion be to sort out the 6 thousand migrants who currently reside next to the port of Calais Kermit?


My suggestion would be to deport them to their country of origin with immediate effect.


So would you be able to sleep at night knowing that you would have effectively sent thousands to their deaths rather than trying to provide basic support for them?


I sincerely doubt they'll all be going to their deaths. That's just an argument used by the left as a scare story. and no, I'd have no problem sleeping thanks.

 

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The egalitarian left's attitude to immigration, legal or otherwise can really be summed up by the song, 'We are the World'.....Especially the Micheal Jackson section.

 


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Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.59am

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.45am

Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.41am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.31am

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 11.22am

I think we should send them all to Bristol


Come on Hoof. If you were unlucky enough to be born in Eritrea or some other piss poor corrupt no future hell hole you'd be on yer invisible bike and in Calais as an economic migrant in no time rather than just accept your fate.

Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jul 2015 11.25am)

I dont think anybody on here is suggesting that they except their fate. The anger and frustration is aimed towards the British and French governments inability to deal with the situation.
What would be your suggestion be to sort out the 6 thousand migrants who currently reside next to the port of Calais Kermit?


My suggestion would be to deport them to their country of origin with immediate effect.


So would you be able to sleep at night knowing that you would have effectively sent thousands to their deaths rather than trying to provide basic support for them?


I sincerely doubt they'll all be going to their deaths. That's just an argument used by the left as a scare story. and no, I'd have no problem sleeping thanks.


If there are women and children fleeing IS from Iraq or Syria, then yes they have a very high chance of being killed if they reenter those countries. Thousands are dying in Eritrea under intense bombing from Ethiopia, so again it is no exaggeration to claim many would die if returned, and similarly many homosexual refugees are fleeing persecution, torture and death from African countries where, were they to return, the very best outcome they could hope for would be indefinite confinement.

You tell a kid from Syria that he has to return to a country where in all likelihood many of his friends and family have been murdered and he knows he'll probably have to join in the fighting upon return, and see how well you sleep that night.

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 26 Jul 15 12.08pm

Get the f*** out. The old country is screwed guys. Come and make a new life in the colonies like some of us forward thinking folk have.

 


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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.55am

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.43am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 10.21am

Serial Thriller - so what are you suggesting is done then about the migrants in Calais then?


House them and stop causing the international tensions which result in so many fleeing their country of origin.

I have a question for those on the right who have no sympathy with these poor folk: how bad would things have to get in Britain for you to leave? Would you leave if war broke out? If bombings were frequent? Jeremy Corbyn became PM?

So what you are saying is that whoever turns up at the French port of Calais, regardless of how many there are, we should house them. Is this what you are actually suggesting?

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (26 Jul 2015 11.56am)


Yeah. We are one of the few European nations with the capacity to offer them temporary residence, and then offer them jobs so they contribute to our society or assistance if they want to return to their country once we've started to maturely deal with foreign policy. It's not ideal but it's a state of affairs we have contributed towards in many cases.

I'm guessing your alternative would be to let them drown in the sea or return to their countries and die?

 


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They've come a long way to get as far as Calais. How is it so few of them get picked up en route?


Because they don't want them either. So long as they get out of Italy, France etc they are happy. We're the end of the road unless they want to swim the Atlantic.

Sooner we're out of the EU the sooner we can strengthen the borders and keep them out. Britain it now a multi racial country and that's fine ... But ... We have no space left!

 

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Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 12.04pm

Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.59am

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.45am

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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.31am

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 11.22am

I think we should send them all to Bristol


Come on Hoof. If you were unlucky enough to be born in Eritrea or some other piss poor corrupt no future hell hole you'd be on yer invisible bike and in Calais as an economic migrant in no time rather than just accept your fate.

Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jul 2015 11.25am)

I dont think anybody on here is suggesting that they except their fate. The anger and frustration is aimed towards the British and French governments inability to deal with the situation.
What would be your suggestion be to sort out the 6 thousand migrants who currently reside next to the port of Calais Kermit?


My suggestion would be to deport them to their country of origin with immediate effect.


So would you be able to sleep at night knowing that you would have effectively sent thousands to their deaths rather than trying to provide basic support for them?


I sincerely doubt they'll all be going to their deaths. That's just an argument used by the left as a scare story. and no, I'd have no problem sleeping thanks.


If there are women and children fleeing IS from Iraq or Syria, then yes they have a very high chance of being killed if they reenter those countries. Thousands are dying in Eritrea under intense bombing from Ethiopia, so again it is no exaggeration to claim many would die if returned, and similarly many homosexual refugees are fleeing persecution, torture and death from African countries where, were they to return, the very best outcome they could hope for would be indefinite confinement.

You tell a kid from Syria that he has to return to a country where in all likelihood many of his friends and family have been murdered and he knows he'll probably have to join in the fighting upon return, and see how well you sleep that night.


Well if you're that worried about them then let them claim asylum in France, or better still the country that they first arrived at when landing on the european continent. Why the hell should we have them all? Demanding to come here and rioting if they don't get their own way. We're full, schools, hospitals, public transport are all creaking under the weight of this mass influx. We're an island for the love of God, we're not a country the size of Russia or the U.S.A are we.

 

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Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 12.14pm

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 12.04pm

Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.59am

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.45am

Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.41am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.31am

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 11.22am

I think we should send them all to Bristol


Come on Hoof. If you were unlucky enough to be born in Eritrea or some other piss poor corrupt no future hell hole you'd be on yer invisible bike and in Calais as an economic migrant in no time rather than just accept your fate.

Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jul 2015 11.25am)

I dont think anybody on here is suggesting that they except their fate. The anger and frustration is aimed towards the British and French governments inability to deal with the situation.
What would be your suggestion be to sort out the 6 thousand migrants who currently reside next to the port of Calais Kermit?


My suggestion would be to deport them to their country of origin with immediate effect.


So would you be able to sleep at night knowing that you would have effectively sent thousands to their deaths rather than trying to provide basic support for them?


I sincerely doubt they'll all be going to their deaths. That's just an argument used by the left as a scare story. and no, I'd have no problem sleeping thanks.


If there are women and children fleeing IS from Iraq or Syria, then yes they have a very high chance of being killed if they reenter those countries. Thousands are dying in Eritrea under intense bombing from Ethiopia, so again it is no exaggeration to claim many would die if returned, and similarly many homosexual refugees are fleeing persecution, torture and death from African countries where, were they to return, the very best outcome they could hope for would be indefinite confinement.

You tell a kid from Syria that he has to return to a country where in all likelihood many of his friends and family have been murdered and he knows he'll probably have to join in the fighting upon return, and see how well you sleep that night.


Well if you're that worried about them then let them claim asylum in France, or better still the country that they first arrived at when landing on the european continent. Why the hell should we have them all? Demanding to come here and rioting if they don't get their own way. We're full, schools, hospitals, public transport are all creaking under the weight of this mass influx. We're an island for the love of God, we're not a country the size of Russia or the U.S.A are we.


1. We don't have them all, in fact we've taken in pitiably few refugees in the past couple of years. These are a few thousand of the tens of thousands who have found refuge in the Mediterranean countries.

2. Who said they were rioting? Yeah there are probably a few skirmishes but from what I've seen they've created their own working community in Calais, it's the overburdened workers at the crossing who are kicking up the biggest fuss.

3. Our public infrastructure is creaking under the burden of an ageing population and the government's outsourcing programme. Migrants, as they did after the war, and in the 60s, and in the 90s, would bring a young demographic workforce who would restrengthen public infrastructure. Only 3% of land in this country is built on, so the idea that we're full is a load of bollocks.

 


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Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.45am

So would you be able to sleep at night knowing that you would have effectively sent thousands to their deaths rather than trying to provide basic support for them?

Children born to a state are that state's and that family's responsibility.

This country is already massively over generous to outside aid....An unpopular policy, which is direct from the British taxpayer....We pay out more compared to the vast majority of the world.

There is nothing, of course, stopping you from giving all you own to outside aid. Maybe it is you who should find it difficult to sleep at night....Because it is you who hold these convictions.

Maybe you should be out there doing aid....I'd respect that.

Wealthy nations should look to help and advise poorer ones.....What they shouldn't and frankly can't do is take their people.

A state's responsibility should be towards their own poor.....Everytime you increase dependency you worsen what's here for our own working poor, ill people or unemployed.

Also why only help the ones who get here?.....Why aren't you sending large cheques overseas to all those poorer, older or iller individuals you couldn't afford the ticket onto the boat? There's a hypocrisy overwise......The logical argument is endless.

British taxpayers have a right to expect their money to go towards British problems.

If you think that is selfish....Then be assured that this is the world you were born into. You can be different but don't expect or moan about others not following you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2015 12.28pm)

 


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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 11.31am

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 11.22am

I think we should send them all to Bristol


Come on Hoof. If you were unlucky enough to be born in Eritrea or some other piss poor corrupt no future hell hole you'd be on yer invisible bike and in Calais as an economic migrant in no time rather than just accept your fate.

Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jul 2015 11.25am)

I dont think anybody on here is suggesting that they except their fate. The anger and frustration is aimed towards the British and French governments inability to deal with the situation.
What would be your suggestion be to sort out the 6 thousand migrants who currently reside next to the port of Calais Kermit?


Is it? Seems to me that some of the anger is directed at the migrants themselves for being there.

As with any case for asylum or immigration station status the individuals would have to be assessed. If they are wanting work to escape their predicament then I am sure there is plenty to be had in the UK/EU in agriculture, labouring, domestic services, etc. The kind of work that plenty of others would turn their noses up at. They can they pay taxes and earn enough for food and shelter and, hopefully, enough to increase their skill set.

Just needs the political will and good management practice.

Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jul 2015 12.29pm)

 


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