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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Jul 15 4.06pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Jul 2015 3.53pm It someone is taking prescription drugs......Which have a purpose to improve your health in some way and they abuse them.....Then they also come under the 'junkie' banner. Problematically of course, you won't realize you have a problem until the supply is cut off. That's the point at which you can discover if you're an addict, its quite surprising how many people take tramadol, and find themselves in the situation where they experience withdrawls when they try to give up. The problem then is too late, if you're 'prone to addiction' you're likely to have already reached the point of being 'powerless' as they say in AA. People who haven't been down that route cannot imagine just how strong that craving is, and how badly their own brain will betray them. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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It someone is taking prescription drugs......Which have a purpose to improve your health in some way and they abuse them.....Then they also come under the 'junkie' banner.

Problematically of course, you won't realize you have a problem until the supply is cut off. That's the point at which you can discover if you're an addict, its quite surprising how many people take tramadol, and find themselves in the situation where they experience withdrawls when they try to give up.

The problem then is too late, if you're 'prone to addiction' you're likely to have already reached the point of being 'powerless' as they say in AA. People who haven't been down that route cannot imagine just how strong that craving is, and how badly their own brain will betray them.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 30 Jul 15 7.34pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Jul 2015 4.06pm Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Jul 2015 3.53pm It someone is taking prescription drugs......Which have a purpose to improve your health in some way and they abuse them.....Then they also come under the 'junkie' banner. Problematically of course, you won't realize you have a problem until the supply is cut off. That's the point at which you can discover if you're an addict, its quite surprising how many people take tramadol, and find themselves in the situation where they experience withdrawls when they try to give up. The problem then is too late, if you're 'prone to addiction' you're likely to have already reached the point of being 'powerless' as they say in AA. People who haven't been down that route cannot imagine just how strong that craving is, and how badly their own brain will betray them. As many of us recognise, you are obviously a very talented man. If there is no other route for you then I'm not judging as I haven't walked in your shoes.....So my points and concerns are directed more generally. I don't accept the point about a glass of wine and so on but I generally accept your well made arguments on the issue...Some of which have genuinely shifted my view. I remember a previous thread where I researched your points and my eyes were opened a little...Not to pro obviously but to a more centralist position you could say.....Pretty significant for me as recreational drugs usage is something I'm probably even more anti on than I am about our current version of the EU. Anyway....Whatever you do and regardless of how strident my tone may come across on here..... here's to your good health. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2015 7.34pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Jul 2015 4.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Jul 2015 3.53pm

It someone is taking prescription drugs......Which have a purpose to improve your health in some way and they abuse them.....Then they also come under the 'junkie' banner.

As many of us recognise, you are obviously a very talented man.

If there is no other route for you then I'm not judging as I haven't walked in your shoes.....So my points and concerns are directed more generally.

I don't accept the point about a glass of wine and so on but I generally accept your well made arguments on the issue...Some of which have genuinely shifted my view.

I remember a previous thread where I researched your points and my eyes were opened a little...Not to pro obviously but to a more centralist position you could say.....Pretty significant for me as recreational drugs usage is something I'm probably even more anti on than I am about our current version of the EU.

Anyway....Whatever you do and regardless of how strident my tone may come across on here..... here's to your good health.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2015 7.34pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 31 Jul 15 9.57am
Mr Sterlingsays, its always a pleasure to discuss topics with yourself, and if it gets a bit heated, I take that as a mark of respect and it has massively improved my essay writing skills (a lowly 65 average prior to HOL, now a regular 92-95). Who'd have thought HoL could be an educational tool ! "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Mr Sterlingsays, its always a pleasure to discuss topics with yourself, and if it gets a bit heated, I take that as a mark of respect and it has massively improved my essay writing skills (a lowly 65 average prior to HOL, now a regular 92-95).

Who'd have thought HoL could be an educational tool !

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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