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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 27 Jul 15 8.02pm
Quote Sedlescombe at 27 Jul 2015 7.13pm Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 5.27pm Quote nickgusset at 27 Jul 2015 5.02pm Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 4.58pm Well where to start! The guys as marxist as they come. Anyone see him on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday? I was listening to BBC Radio 5live this morning on the way to work and apparently even Tories are signing upto the Labour party and putting in a vote for him in the leadership race, along with hard line crazy leftists. Would be hilarious if he won the leadership contest. Labour would be even more unelectable, which serves them right after what they've done to this country. So which part of his proposed policies do you not agree with and why? How will he make labour more unelectable? I'm genuinely interested in what you think about 70% of the public agreeing with rail nationalisation. What are your concerns about Corbyn's plans for a national bank? Do you not agree with investment for growth? 1) Nationalising the railways? That didn't work 2) He wants to return to the politics of the eighties 3) He's another union stooge 4) Has utter contempt for the middle class, which makes up a big swave of the population. 5) He won't deny that he's a marxist and has the support of extreme left factions, need I say more. Edited by fed up eagle (27 Jul 2015 5.33pm) Seriously. You are using the Railways AGAINST Corbyn. Ha Ha Ha Ha I presume extreme left is anything you don't agree with. Point 2 is actually the one valid argument you have. He does seem to be fighting the 1983 election all over again What?? You don't remember British Snail??? Yes you're right I don't agree with extreme left policies but I don't believe everything I disagree with is far left or left wing.
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 27 Jul 15 8.02pm

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Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 4.58pm

Well where to start! The guys as marxist as they come. Anyone see him on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday? I was listening to BBC Radio 5live this morning on the way to work and apparently even Tories are signing upto the Labour party and putting in a vote for him in the leadership race, along with hard line crazy leftists. Would be hilarious if he won the leadership contest. Labour would be even more unelectable, which serves them right after what they've done to this country.

So which part of his proposed policies do you not agree with and why?

How will he make labour more unelectable?

I'm genuinely interested in what you think about 70% of the public agreeing with rail nationalisation.

What are your concerns about Corbyn's plans for a national bank?

Do you not agree with investment for growth?

1) Nationalising the railways? That didn't work

2) He wants to return to the politics of the eighties

3) He's another union stooge

4) Has utter contempt for the middle class, which makes up a big swave of the population.

5) He won't deny that he's a marxist and has the support of extreme left factions, need I say more.

Edited by fed up eagle (27 Jul 2015 5.33pm)

Seriously. You are using the Railways AGAINST Corbyn. Ha Ha Ha Ha

I presume extreme left is anything you don't agree with.

Point 2 is actually the one valid argument you have. He does seem to be fighting the 1983 election all over again

What?? You don't remember British Snail???
Yes you're right I don't agree with extreme left policies but I don't believe everything I disagree with is far left or left wing.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 27 Jul 15 8.08pm
Quote serial thriller at 27 Jul 2015 6.30pm Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 6.14pm Corbyn wants to nationalise the banks, the railways and we all know that that would be a disater. He wants nuclear dis-armourment, wants to boycott Israeli goods and believes Hamas are friends. He believes profit is a dirty word and wants to fleece the rich, which will put off investors coming here. He's a class warrior and wants to take us back to the politics of the eighties, which was a god awful time! He also has close ties to the unions and will no doubt be another union puppet. In short he's the new Michael Foot! Privatising the railways has lead to a massive decline in efficiency. Ticket prices are the highest in Europe, while the �200 billion subsidy the railways received from the government almost exactly matched the figure given to shareholders as payouts last year. In other words it's as corrupt as fck. A nationalised bank is a very interesting economic idea, and one we have to various degrees already, so definitely not a particularly radical policy. I struggle to see what's wrong with the second point, and don't be so facile as to remove his comment from the context everyone now knows. The third point is about as generalised as it gets. At least he wants to take us to the politics of the 1980s as opposed to the 1880s which this government seems to want!* In all seriousness, times have changed and so have the desires of the left. Austerity, tax avoidance and climate change are now huge issues that were barely discussed in the 80s. They are also issues which hold great levels of engagement for much of the public. He has ties with the unions because the whole purpose of the Labour party is to offer a parliamentary voice to the Labour movement. Would I rather he represented the voices of the 8 million trade union members in this country, or the couple of dozen major donors to the Conservative party who are able to influence key elements of policy? Hmm, tough choice... I think all this current government is guilty of is trying to cut the deficit, and reform the totally barmy welfare state which rewards the terminally selfish, stupid and lazy. Hardly 1880's politics is it? It's just common sense, in fact I would say that the so called 'savage cuts' don't go far enough and aren't savage enough. It's time to stop the something for nothing cultre.
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 27 Jul 15 8.08pm

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Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 6.14pm

Corbyn wants to nationalise the banks, the railways and we all know that that would be a disater.
He wants nuclear dis-armourment, wants to boycott Israeli goods and believes Hamas are friends.
He believes profit is a dirty word and wants to fleece the rich, which will put off investors coming here.
He's a class warrior and wants to take us back to the politics of the eighties, which was a god awful time!
He also has close ties to the unions and will no doubt be another union puppet.
In short he's the new Michael Foot!

Privatising the railways has lead to a massive decline in efficiency. Ticket prices are the highest in Europe, while the �200 billion subsidy the railways received from the government almost exactly matched the figure given to shareholders as payouts last year. In other words it's as corrupt as f*ck. A nationalised bank is a very interesting economic idea, and one we have to various degrees already, so definitely not a particularly radical policy.

I struggle to see what's wrong with the second point, and don't be so facile as to remove his comment from the context everyone now knows.

The third point is about as generalised as it gets.

At least he wants to take us to the politics of the 1980s as opposed to the 1880s which this government seems to want! In all seriousness, times have changed and so have the desires of the left. Austerity, tax avoidance and climate change are now huge issues that were barely discussed in the 80s. They are also issues which hold great levels of engagement for much of the public.

He has ties with the unions because the whole purpose of the Labour party is to offer a parliamentary voice to the Labour movement. Would I rather he represented the voices of the 8 million trade union members in this country, or the couple of dozen major donors to the Conservative party who are able to influence key elements of policy? Hmm, tough choice...

I think all this current government is guilty of is trying to cut the deficit, and reform the totally barmy welfare state which rewards the terminally selfish, stupid and lazy. Hardly 1880's politics is it? It's just common sense, in fact I would say that the so called 'savage cuts' don't go far enough and aren't savage enough. It's time to stop the something for nothing cultre.

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matt_himself Matataland 27 Jul 15 8.10pm
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Jul 2015 6.38pm Cameron and the Eton elite and the vast majority of Tory MPs since way back are all class warriors. They have fought tooth and nail for their class and throw out a few crumbs as required to keep the rest docile and unquestioning. Marx was right about a helluvalot of things too. Yeah Michael, says the man that has thrived from playing the system, retiring at 50, and looks forward to his gold plated pension. How much do you contribute to the homeless or the sick whilst taking yours, whether you deserve or not? I have stayed away for two months but the above hypocrisy is too much to bear. You are just as much a Tory as those you label above yet you can't admit to it. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 27 Jul 15 8.10pm

Quote Kermit8 at 27 Jul 2015 6.38pm

Cameron and the Eton elite and the vast majority of Tory MPs since way back are all class warriors. They have fought tooth and nail for their class and throw out a few crumbs as required to keep the rest docile and unquestioning.

Marx was right about a helluvalot of things too.

Yeah Michael, says the man that has thrived from playing the system, retiring at 50, and looks forward to his gold plated pension. How much do you contribute to the homeless or the sick whilst taking yours, whether you deserve or not?

I have stayed away for two months but the above hypocrisy is too much to bear.

You are just as much a Tory as those you label above yet you can't admit to it.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Catfish Burgess Hill 27 Jul 15 8.11pm
I'll give Corbyn credit where it is due - politics has suddenly become interesting again. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Burgess Hill 27 Jul 15 8.11pm

I'll give Corbyn credit where it is due - politics has suddenly become interesting again.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 27 Jul 15 8.20pm
Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 7.12pm Well the far left posters seem to think that Corbyn is the mut's nuts. They don't see him as an idealistic clown who would place this country in great danger, but then they'd be happy living in a Marxist utopia where the rich and upwardly mobile are burnt at the stake whilst money is lavished on the terminally selfish, stupid and lazy. Welcome to socialist paradise. Frankly it's this sort of drivel which makes me fed up, all this tedious tribal crap. It works both ways, I remember someone commenting that 'he's a Tory, he must have a hidden agenda' on the Guardian. People's instinctive repulsion to those they see as opposition politicians is pretty depressing. How do you know Corbyn wants to take us back to the 80's? What makes you think he's friends with Hamas? Why is boycotting Israeli goods a bad thing? I've heard he wants to invest to help manufacturing and tech business grow, so why do you assume has contempt for the middle class, whatever that is? Dreary political name calling is partly why many people are apathetic about politics - if Corbyn seems able to engage people in the policy again that's at least a start. A one and a two...
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Inner Tantalus Time. 27 Jul 15 8.20pm

Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 7.12pm

Well the far left posters seem to think that Corbyn is the mut's nuts. They don't see him as an idealistic clown who would place this country in great danger, but then they'd be happy living in a Marxist utopia where the rich and upwardly mobile are burnt at the stake whilst money is lavished on the terminally selfish, stupid and lazy.
Welcome to socialist paradise.

Frankly it's this sort of drivel which makes me fed up, all this tedious tribal crap. It works both ways, I remember someone commenting that 'he's a Tory, he must have a hidden agenda' on the Guardian.

People's instinctive repulsion to those they see as opposition politicians is pretty depressing.

How do you know Corbyn wants to take us back to the 80's? What makes you think he's friends with Hamas? Why is boycotting Israeli goods a bad thing? I've heard he wants to invest to help manufacturing and tech business grow, so why do you assume has contempt for the middle class, whatever that is?

Dreary political name calling is partly why many people are apathetic about politics - if Corbyn seems able to engage people in the policy again that's at least a start.

A one and a two...

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Stirlingsays 27 Jul 15 8.35pm
Quote Catfish at 27 Jul 2015 8.11pm I'll give Corbyn credit where it is due - politics has suddenly become interesting again. Seconded. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Jul 15 8.35pm

Quote Catfish at 27 Jul 2015 8.11pm

I'll give Corbyn credit where it is due - politics has suddenly become interesting again.

Seconded.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jul 15 8.45pm
Just some questions : IF Corbyn wins the leadership contest will he take 'Labour' as it is today into the 2020 election ? Or will he be ousted quite quickly by the MPs ? Or will 'Labour' split a la the situation with the SDP ?
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South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jul 15 8.45pm

Just some questions :

IF Corbyn wins the leadership contest will he take 'Labour' as it is today into the 2020 election ?
Or will he be ousted quite quickly by the MPs ?
Or will 'Labour' split a la the situation with the SDP ?

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matt_himself Matataland 27 Jul 15 8.52pm
Quote Willo at 27 Jul 2015 8.45pm Just some questions : IF Corbyn wins the leadership contest will he take 'Labour' as it is today into the 2020 election ? Or will he be ousted quite quickly by the MPs ? Or will 'Labour' split a la the situation with the SDP ? I suspect that a bunch of Blairites want Corbyn elected so that he can show how unelectable his policies are before David Miliband rides his white steed into Millbank and assumes control. There will be no split. The lefties are deluded that 'anti austerity' equals votes because of th SNP's result at the last election, however he SNP's success has more to do with nationalist pomp that anti austerity. The Blairites want the Corbyn 'revolution' to spark out and give them a free run. It's a win-win. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 27 Jul 15 8.52pm

Quote Willo at 27 Jul 2015 8.45pm

Just some questions :

I suspect that a bunch of Blairites want Corbyn elected so that he can show how unelectable his policies are before David Miliband rides his white steed into Millbank and assumes control.

There will be no split. The lefties are deluded that 'anti austerity' equals votes because of th SNP's result at the last election, however he SNP's success has more to do with nationalist pomp that anti austerity. The Blairites want the Corbyn 'revolution' to spark out and give them a free run.

It's a win-win.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 27 Jul 15 8.56pm
Quote Willo at 27 Jul 2015 8.45pm Just some questions : IF Corbyn wins the leadership contest will he take 'Labour' as it is today into the 2020 election ? Or will he be ousted quite quickly by the MPs ? Or will 'Labour' split a la the situation with the SDP ? I'm not sure he will still even be around by 2020 Edited by Tom-the-eagle (27 Jul 2015 8.57pm) "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 27 Jul 15 8.56pm

Quote Willo at 27 Jul 2015 8.45pm

Just some questions :

I'm not sure he will still even be around by 2020

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (27 Jul 2015 8.57pm)

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Catfish Burgess Hill 27 Jul 15 9.00pm
Quote Willo at 27 Jul 2015 8.45pm Just some questions : IF Corbyn wins the leadership contest will he take 'Labour' as it is today into the 2020 election ? Or will he be ousted quite quickly by the MPs ? Or will 'Labour' split a la the situation with the SDP ? All those question depend on his opinion poll ratings. If he is seen as a disaster waiting to happen then it is an attempted palace coup and if that doesn't work a lot of defections to the Lib Dems. I can't see anyone trying to set up an SDP style party, they will just try to realign with the liberals and present it as a relaunch. The other, more entertaining, scenario is that the contrary British public rally behind a hard left agenda and scare the Tories rigid. In reality, if Corbyn wins, he will lead them into the next round of local elections or Euro elections, get beaten and resign with dignity by which time David Milliband will have come back to lead them back to planet Earth. Possibly. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Quote Willo at 27 Jul 2015 8.45pm

Just some questions :

All those question depend on his opinion poll ratings. If he is seen as a disaster waiting to happen then it is an attempted palace coup and if that doesn't work a lot of defections to the Lib Dems. I can't see anyone trying to set up an SDP style party, they will just try to realign with the liberals and present it as a relaunch.

The other, more entertaining, scenario is that the contrary British public rally behind a hard left agenda and scare the Tories rigid.

In reality, if Corbyn wins, he will lead them into the next round of local elections or Euro elections, get beaten and resign with dignity by which time David Milliband will have come back to lead them back to planet Earth. Possibly.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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d7phil Beckenham 27 Jul 15 9.06pm
he's not as far left as some think. The political spectrum has moved to the right so he seems more 'extreme' to some than his policies actually are. Agree with Cheeserolls..."As I see it, the Conservatives won with 24% of the population voting for them, about 35% of those registered to vote. That suggests a large proportion not aligned with them and their policies. No-one is going to out-Tory the Tories, they have the centre-right sewn up. Therefore, surely an effective opposition has to offer a real alternative. Labour, as it has been proven, largely supports (or won't oppose) the policies of both the coalition and the current government. They offer no opposition as it stands. Personally, I think they have to elect Corbyn and offer a modern set of social/left policies that offer something different even if only to start debates about the important issues and then see if enough of the 65% of the electorate who did not vote for this government side more with them and possibly inspire those who don't vote to do so. Tough ask though!" and tome "Dreary political name calling is partly why many people are apathetic about politics - if Corbyn seems able to engage people in the policy again that's at least a start." and the person who said he's making politics interesting
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Beckenham 27 Jul 15 9.06pm

he's not as far left as some think. The political spectrum has moved to the right so he seems more 'extreme' to some than his policies actually are.

Agree with Cheeserolls..."As I see it, the Conservatives won with 24% of the population voting for them, about 35% of those registered to vote. That suggests a large proportion not aligned with them and their policies. No-one is going to out-Tory the Tories, they have the centre-right sewn up. Therefore, surely an effective opposition has to offer a real alternative. Labour, as it has been proven, largely supports (or won't oppose) the policies of both the coalition and the current government. They offer no opposition as it stands. Personally, I think they have to elect Corbyn and offer a modern set of social/left policies that offer something different even if only to start debates about the important issues and then see if enough of the 65% of the electorate who did not vote for this government side more with them and possibly inspire those who don't vote to do so. Tough ask though!"

and tome "Dreary political name calling is partly why many people are apathetic about politics - if Corbyn seems able to engage people in the policy again that's at least a start."

and the person who said he's making politics interesting

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phillanth London 27 Jul 15 9.28pm
Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 6.14pm Corbyn wants to nationalise the banks, the railways and we all know that that would be a disater. He wants nuclear dis-armourment, wants to boycott Israeli goods and believes Hamas are friends. He believes profit is a dirty word and wants to fleece the rich, which will put off investors coming here. He's a class warrior and wants to take us back to the politics of the eighties, which was a god awful time! He also has close ties to the unions and will no doubt be another union puppet. [!quote] That all sounds great to me. By "we all know" I presume you are referring to the Tories and their paymasters in the banks and big business? Agree the '80s was god awful because Thatcher was fecking up the country.
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phillanth

London 27 Jul 15 9.28pm

Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 6.14pm

That all sounds great to me. By "we all know" I presume you are referring to the Tories and their paymasters in the banks and big business? Agree the '80s was god awful because Thatcher was fecking up the country.

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