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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Sep 15 8.22pm
I think Corbyn's annual expense claim of Ł8.57 (or thereabouts) is a scandalous waste of taxpayers money.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 02 Sep 15 8.22pm

I think Corbyn's annual expense claim of Ł8.57 (or thereabouts) is a scandalous waste of taxpayers money.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 02 Sep 15 8.25pm
Quote nickgusset at 02 Sep 2015 8.22pm I think Corbyn's annual expense claim of Ł8.57 (or thereabouts) is a scandalous waste of taxpayers money. I agree Nick absolutely disgusting, it really is and he should be horse whipped!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 02 Sep 15 8.25pm

Quote nickgusset at 02 Sep 2015 8.22pm

I think Corbyn's annual expense claim of Ł8.57 (or thereabouts) is a scandalous waste of taxpayers money.

I agree Nick absolutely disgusting, it really is and he should be horse whipped!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 7.57am
Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment. One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result" And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead. Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ? "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result"

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ?

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 03 Sep 15 8.46am
Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment. One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result" And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead. Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ? Quite. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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We are goin up!

Coulsdon 03 Sep 15 8.46am

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Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Quite.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Hoof Hearted 03 Sep 15 10.25am
Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment. One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result" And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead. Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ? Quite. Indeed.... what we have to remember is that we are dealing with terrorists who do not abide by fair play and the "Queensbury Rules". So what if MI5/6 sometimes go "off-piste" to foil a terror plot?
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Hoof Hearted 03 Sep 15 10.25am

Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Quite.

Indeed.... what we have to remember is that we are dealing with terrorists who do not abide by fair play and the "Queensbury Rules".

So what if MI5/6 sometimes go "off-piste" to foil a terror plot?

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DanH SW2 03 Sep 15 10.26am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 03 Sep 2015 10.25am Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment. One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result" And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead. Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ? Quite. Indeed.... what we have to remember is that we are dealing with terrorists who do not abide by fair play and the "Queensbury Rules". So what if MI5/6 sometimes go "off-piste" to foil a terror plot? Full marks for usage Hoof.
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DanH

SW2 03 Sep 15 10.26am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 03 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Quite.

Indeed.... what we have to remember is that we are dealing with terrorists who do not abide by fair play and the "Queensbury Rules".

So what if MI5/6 sometimes go "off-piste" to foil a terror plot?

Full marks for usage Hoof.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Sep 15 10.50am
Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment. One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result" And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead. Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ? Is irrelivent, because suspending the right to a fair trial is unlawful. The failure to provide evidence held that may be useful to the defense is contrary to UK law, and they are bound by those legal duties. The security services are not above the law, and are accountable for their actions. In this case, their actions could very well have led to the wrong people in prison, and the actual terrorists being free to continue. The same goes for the police, you hear about it when they get it wrong, and most of the time they get it right, but that doesn't absolve failure. We should never suspend legal rights just because its convenient for getting 'the person you think is guilty' banged up. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 03 Sep 15 10.50am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Is irrelivent, because suspending the right to a fair trial is unlawful. The failure to provide evidence held that may be useful to the defense is contrary to UK law, and they are bound by those legal duties.

The security services are not above the law, and are accountable for their actions. In this case, their actions could very well have led to the wrong people in prison, and the actual terrorists being free to continue.

The same goes for the police, you hear about it when they get it wrong, and most of the time they get it right, but that doesn't absolve failure.

We should never suspend legal rights just because its convenient for getting 'the person you think is guilty' banged up.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Sep 15 11.00am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 03 Sep 2015 10.25am Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment. One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result" And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead. Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ? Quite. Indeed.... what we have to remember is that we are dealing with terrorists who do not abide by fair play and the "Queensbury Rules". So what if MI5/6 sometimes go "off-piste" to foil a terror plot? Nor do MI-5 and 6, which is why they have no powers of arrest or prosecution. They actually are civil servants, not law enforcement agencies. However they are not a law onto themselves, and do have to follow the laws of the UK, admittedly things like Warrants are handled differently. And because they don't prosecute cases, the rules of evidence are slightly different. But they are not allowed to withhold information from the defense that could be used to prove the innocence of someone. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 03 Sep 15 11.00am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 03 Sep 2015 10.25am

Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Quite.

Indeed.... what we have to remember is that we are dealing with terrorists who do not abide by fair play and the "Queensbury Rules".

So what if MI5/6 sometimes go "off-piste" to foil a terror plot?

Nor do MI-5 and 6, which is why they have no powers of arrest or prosecution. They actually are civil servants, not law enforcement agencies.

However they are not a law onto themselves, and do have to follow the laws of the UK, admittedly things like Warrants are handled differently. And because they don't prosecute cases, the rules of evidence are slightly different. But they are not allowed to withhold information from the defense that could be used to prove the innocence of someone.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Sep 15 11.02am
Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment. One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result" And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead. Thats the thing with comments like this, all to easy to deride our security services, as only the errors are highlighted. I wonder if you'd be the first to congratulate MI5/6 if they foiled a plot to kidnapp you and cut your bonce off live on you tube ? Quite. Of course you could equally say, what if they get it wrong, and accidently frame the wrong person, and as a result of them putting that case to rest, you are kidknapped and have your head cut off on live TV, because they didn't get the right guy. It always works both ways. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 03 Sep 15 11.02am

Quote We are goin up! at 03 Sep 2015 8.46am

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 7.57am

Quote Sedlescombe at 02 Sep 2015 6.21pm

Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

And without them a hell of a lot more nutters wouldbe lose on the streets, and a hell of alot more people would be dead.

Quite.

Of course you could equally say, what if they get it wrong, and accidently frame the wrong person, and as a result of them putting that case to rest, you are kidknapped and have your head cut off on live TV, because they didn't get the right guy.

It always works both ways.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Andy_G Wimbledon 08 Sep 15 8.08am
Saw the bbc programme on him last night. He's going to be hilarious as Labour leader. Looking forward to the bonkers stuff he'll come out with. The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years
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Andy_G

Wimbledon 08 Sep 15 8.08am

Saw the bbc programme on him last night. He's going to be hilarious as Labour leader. Looking forward to the bonkers stuff he'll come out with.

The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years

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DanH SW2 08 Sep 15 8.17am
Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.
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DanH

SW2 08 Sep 15 8.17am

Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition.

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Scucca Ely 08 Sep 15 9.00am
Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am Thought the BBC programme was fairly predictable last night. They know that the chances of Labour under Corbyn winning an election are extremely slim, which just means another anti-BBC Tory government until 2020; more than enough time for the corporation to be changed beyond recognition. Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be. Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)
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Scucca

Ely 08 Sep 15 9.00am

Quote DanH at 08 Sep 2015 8.17am

Auntie BBC has been more like Comrade BBC for a long long time now. Blatant left wing bias wherever you look. It's hardly surprising that the Tories have finally had enough of their loonie lefty liberal (small l) luvvie propaganda. It's high time the Beeb became the unbiased public service and entertainment channel it is meant to be.

Edited by Scucca (08 Sep 2015 9.02am)

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