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Stuk Top half 14 Sep 15 4.08pm
So Germany castigates Hungary, Czech republic and Slovakia etc for trying to impose some control over their borders, while shouting from the rooftops that anyone can come to Germany. Then they decide that actually it's all getting a bit much - so they close the border with Austria, who then close the border with Hungary. Now you can stop telling us what we should be doing, when we're not even in the Schengen zone in the first place, and you might also want to stop telling refugees they don't have to apply in the first country they arrive in, which broke EU regulations. But they're for the rest to follow, obviously, as Germany can do what they like... Optimistic as ever
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Top half 14 Sep 15 4.08pm

So Germany castigates Hungary, Czech republic and Slovakia etc for trying to impose some control over their borders, while shouting from the rooftops that anyone can come to Germany. Then they decide that actually it's all getting a bit much - so they close the border with Austria, who then close the border with Hungary.

Now you can stop telling us what we should be doing, when we're not even in the Schengen zone in the first place, and you might also want to stop telling refugees they don't have to apply in the first country they arrive in, which broke EU regulations.

But they're for the rest to follow, obviously, as Germany can do what they like...

Optimistic as ever

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 15 Sep 15 12.10pm
Quote Kermit8 at 14 Sep 2015 7.27am Quote sickboy at 14 Sep 2015 7.01am Quote oldcodger at 13 Sep 2015 11.07pm Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 10.41pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Sep 2015 9.50pm Uu Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable! Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm) Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons. If you're in a war zone, where does this idea come from that the only viable option is to move to the next country over from the war zone. Of course many do that, but those who don't may do so for a multitude of reasons, perceived safety being one of them - not only 'financial reasons'. I would have thought that once desperate people had reached somewhere safe after fleeing they would be very relieved. If they then decide to move on from there for a multitude of reasons they are now migrants, economic or otherwise. The refugees on the move are, sensibly, not only looking for a safe haven but also, because the Syria they knew and their homes don't exist anymore, a future. They are still classed as refugees by the UN's stance on war-fleeing people even if crossing borders. A lot of these people are bright and well educated and have made a desperate but imo brave choice. The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Sep 2015 7.31am) Still cant get my head round why so many want to come here. We are physically the furthest european country with possibly the largest population to land mass ratio. As for the UN,do they really hold much sway anymore. ?
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I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive.

I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable!

Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm)

Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons.

If you're in a war zone, where does this idea come from that the only viable option is to move to the next country over from the war zone. Of course many do that, but those who don't may do so for a multitude of reasons, perceived safety being one of them - not only 'financial reasons'.

I would have thought that once desperate people had reached somewhere safe after fleeing they would be very relieved. If they then decide to move on from there for a multitude of reasons they are now migrants, economic or otherwise.

The refugees on the move are, sensibly, not only looking for a safe haven but also, because the Syria they knew and their homes don't exist anymore, a future. They are still classed as refugees by the UN's stance on war-fleeing people even if crossing borders. A lot of these people are bright and well educated and have made a desperate but imo brave choice.

The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Sep 2015 7.31am)

Still cant get my head round why so many want to come here. We are physically the furthest european country with possibly the largest population to land mass ratio. As for the UN,do they really hold much sway anymore. ?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Sep 15 12.24pm
Quote sickboy at 15 Sep 2015 12.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Sep 2015 7.27am Quote sickboy at 14 Sep 2015 7.01am Quote oldcodger at 13 Sep 2015 11.07pm Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 10.41pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Sep 2015 9.50pm Uu Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable! Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm) Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons. If you're in a war zone, where does this idea come from that the only viable option is to move to the next country over from the war zone. Of course many do that, but those who don't may do so for a multitude of reasons, perceived safety being one of them - not only 'financial reasons'. I would have thought that once desperate people had reached somewhere safe after fleeing they would be very relieved. If they then decide to move on from there for a multitude of reasons they are now migrants, economic or otherwise. The refugees on the move are, sensibly, not only looking for a safe haven but also, because the Syria they knew and their homes don't exist anymore, a future. They are still classed as refugees by the UN's stance on war-fleeing people even if crossing borders. A lot of these people are bright and well educated and have made a desperate but imo brave choice. The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Sep 2015 7.31am) Still cant get my head round why so many want to come here. We are physically the furthest european country with possibly the largest population to land mass ratio. As for the UN,do they really hold much sway anymore. ? 1. They speak English. 2. They are lured here by newspaper headlines purporting that they are showered with houses and benefits when they arrive.
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Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm)

Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons.

The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future.

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1. They speak English.
2. They are lured here by newspaper headlines purporting that they are showered with houses and benefits when they arrive.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 15 Sep 15 12.43pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Sep 2015 12.24pm Quote sickboy at 15 Sep 2015 12.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Sep 2015 7.27am Quote sickboy at 14 Sep 2015 7.01am Quote oldcodger at 13 Sep 2015 11.07pm Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 10.41pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Sep 2015 9.50pm Uu Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable! Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm) Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons. If you're in a war zone, where does this idea come from that the only viable option is to move to the next country over from the war zone. Of course many do that, but those who don't may do so for a multitude of reasons, perceived safety being one of them - not only 'financial reasons'. I would have thought that once desperate people had reached somewhere safe after fleeing they would be very relieved. If they then decide to move on from there for a multitude of reasons they are now migrants, economic or otherwise. The refugees on the move are, sensibly, not only looking for a safe haven but also, because the Syria they knew and their homes don't exist anymore, a future. They are still classed as refugees by the UN's stance on war-fleeing people even if crossing borders. A lot of these people are bright and well educated and have made a desperate but imo brave choice. The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Sep 2015 7.31am) Still cant get my head round why so many want to come here. We are physically the furthest european country with possibly the largest population to land mass ratio. As for the UN,do they really hold much sway anymore. ? 1. They speak English. 2. They are lured here by newspaper headlines purporting that they are showered with houses and benefits when they arrive. About time they were told differently then. Would be to their advantage and we could have a much leaner more efficent immigration policy.
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Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm)

Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons.

The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Sep 2015 7.31am)

1. They speak English.
2. They are lured here by newspaper headlines purporting that they are showered with houses and benefits when they arrive.

About time they were told differently then. Would be to their advantage and we could have a much leaner more efficent immigration policy.

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since1953 Maidenhead 15 Sep 15 12.44pm
After promising refuge to 800K immigrants in the first year,Germany has closed its border with Austria after taking in a fraction (40K?) . They are now proposing a financial penalty for those EU countries not wishing to take a proportion. Dream on.
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After promising refuge to 800K immigrants in the first year,Germany has closed its border with Austria after taking in a fraction (40K?) . They are now proposing a financial penalty for those EU countries not wishing to take a proportion. Dream on.

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 15 Sep 15 12.45pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Sep 2015 12.24pm Quote sickboy at 15 Sep 2015 12.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Sep 2015 7.27am Quote sickboy at 14 Sep 2015 7.01am Quote oldcodger at 13 Sep 2015 11.07pm Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 10.41pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Sep 2015 9.50pm Uu Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable! Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm) Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons. If you're in a war zone, where does this idea come from that the only viable option is to move to the next country over from the war zone. Of course many do that, but those who don't may do so for a multitude of reasons, perceived safety being one of them - not only 'financial reasons'. I would have thought that once desperate people had reached somewhere safe after fleeing they would be very relieved. If they then decide to move on from there for a multitude of reasons they are now migrants, economic or otherwise. The refugees on the move are, sensibly, not only looking for a safe haven but also, because the Syria they knew and their homes don't exist anymore, a future. They are still classed as refugees by the UN's stance on war-fleeing people even if crossing borders. A lot of these people are bright and well educated and have made a desperate but imo brave choice. The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Sep 2015 7.31am) Still cant get my head round why so many want to come here. We are physically the furthest european country with possibly the largest population to land mass ratio. As for the UN,do they really hold much sway anymore. ? 1. They speak English. 2. They are lured here by newspaper headlines purporting that they are showered with houses and benefits when they arrive. Which newspapers are they. Our papers are full of hatred and they get less cash here. Yet still the come
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Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm)

Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons.

The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Sep 2015 7.31am)

1. They speak English.
2. They are lured here by newspaper headlines purporting that they are showered with houses and benefits when they arrive.

Which newspapers are they. Our papers are full of hatred and they get less cash here. Yet still the come

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Quote since1953 at 15 Sep 2015 12.44pm After promising refuge to 800K immigrants in the first year,Germany has closed its border with Austria after taking in a fraction (40K?) . They are now proposing a financial penalty for those EU countries not wishing to take a proportion. Dream on. See this makes sense to me. They proposed taking 800,000 refugees, not 800,000 immigrants. Effectively the best solution is to restrict borders, and take refugees primarily from the camps, thus preventing people trying to get into countries 'illicitly' and claiming independent asylum. Realistically, the solution to the problem is better resolved on an European wide basis, than individual nationalities - Such as the suspension Free Movement going forwards which would reduce UK Immigration by 42% in the coming year, and easily allow for a significant contribution to Refugee placements (well in excess of the 4,000 a year we have agreed on, over five years). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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See this makes sense to me. They proposed taking 800,000 refugees, not 800,000 immigrants. Effectively the best solution is to restrict borders, and take refugees primarily from the camps, thus preventing people trying to get into countries 'illicitly' and claiming independent asylum.

Realistically, the solution to the problem is better resolved on an European wide basis, than individual nationalities - Such as the suspension Free Movement going forwards which would reduce UK Immigration by 42% in the coming year, and easily allow for a significant contribution to Refugee placements (well in excess of the 4,000 a year we have agreed on, over five years).

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Quote sickboy at 15 Sep 2015 12.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 14 Sep 2015 7.27am Quote sickboy at 14 Sep 2015 7.01am Quote oldcodger at 13 Sep 2015 11.07pm Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 10.41pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Sep 2015 9.50pm Uu Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable! Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm) Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons. If you're in a war zone, where does this idea come from that the only viable option is to move to the next country over from the war zone. Of course many do that, but those who don't may do so for a multitude of reasons, perceived safety being one of them - not only 'financial reasons'. I would have thought that once desperate people had reached somewhere safe after fleeing they would be very relieved. If they then decide to move on from there for a multitude of reasons they are now migrants, economic or otherwise. The refugees on the move are, sensibly, not only looking for a safe haven but also, because the Syria they knew and their homes don't exist anymore, a future. They are still classed as refugees by the UN's stance on war-fleeing people even if crossing borders. A lot of these people are bright and well educated and have made a desperate but imo brave choice. The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Sep 2015 7.31am) Still cant get my head round why so many want to come here. We are physically the furthest european country with possibly the largest population to land mass ratio. As for the UN,do they really hold much sway anymore. ? I'm not sure they do. We have a pretty low figure for accepting Asylum cases, and even lower for approving them. Actual migration to the UK by Asylum is generally very low, around 5% of the total figure. Most migration into the UK is through the EU Freedom of Movement (42%), student visas and from Non-EU countries for work (43%). About half a million people come to the UK long term each year, and 255,000 leave the UK long term each year, of which about 155,000 are British Citizens. About 25,000 people in an average year are granted Asylum. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm)

Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons.

The scrub and mass camps of the neighbouring countries can't offer them a normal life or positive future.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Sep 2015 7.31am)

I'm not sure they do. We have a pretty low figure for accepting Asylum cases, and even lower for approving them.

Actual migration to the UK by Asylum is generally very low, around 5% of the total figure. Most migration into the UK is through the EU Freedom of Movement (42%), student visas and from Non-EU countries for work (43%).

About half a million people come to the UK long term each year, and 255,000 leave the UK long term each year, of which about 155,000 are British Citizens. About 25,000 people in an average year are granted Asylum.

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since1953 Maidenhead 15 Sep 15 1.03pm
I see your point but: 1. There is no chance that Free Movement will be suspended. 2. Those from the EU under the Free Movement scheme will, generally speaking, return home in due course. The refugees that are taken on will eventually apply for full citizenship. No way will they want to return to Syria/Afghanistan etc after the fighting. As I have said before tracking them down and deporting them will be expensive and difficult.
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I see your point but:
1. There is no chance that Free Movement will be suspended.
2. Those from the EU under the Free Movement scheme will, generally speaking, return home in due course.

The refugees that are taken on will eventually apply for full citizenship. No way will they want to return to Syria/Afghanistan etc after the fighting. As I have said before tracking them down and deporting them will be expensive and difficult.

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Stuk Top half 15 Sep 15 1.36pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Sep 2015 12.52pm Quote since1953 at 15 Sep 2015 12.44pm After promising refuge to 800K immigrants in the first year,Germany has closed its border with Austria after taking in a fraction (40K?) . They are now proposing a financial penalty for those EU countries not wishing to take a proportion. Dream on. See this makes sense to me. They proposed taking 800,000 refugees, not 800,000 immigrants. Effectively the best solution is to restrict borders, and take refugees primarily from the camps, thus preventing people trying to get into countries 'illicitly' and claiming independent asylum. Realistically, the solution to the problem is better resolved on an European wide basis, than individual nationalities - Such as the suspension Free Movement going forwards which would reduce UK Immigration by 42% in the coming year, and easily allow for a significant contribution to Refugee placements (well in excess of the 4,000 a year we have agreed on, over five years). It made sense weeks, if not months, ago, instead of Germany saying you're all welcome and f*** the rules abour registering. Now they're swamped with too many, they resort to bullying other countries into doing what they want them to do. Optimistic as ever
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Quote since1953 at 15 Sep 2015 12.44pm

See this makes sense to me. They proposed taking 800,000 refugees, not 800,000 immigrants. Effectively the best solution is to restrict borders, and take refugees primarily from the camps, thus preventing people trying to get into countries 'illicitly' and claiming independent asylum.

It made sense weeks, if not months, ago, instead of Germany saying you're all welcome and f*** the rules abour registering.

Now they're swamped with too many, they resort to bullying other countries into doing what they want them to do.

Optimistic as ever

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Ouzo Dan 15 Sep 15 1.41pm
Germany's action's have been a disgrace, you cannot open your borders the way they have done creating a once in a lifetime mad dash that we will never see again & then shut the door. How many more have died because of Merkel's frankly mental plan? she should be arrested & tried at court. Germany have pissed off half of Europe, have left thousands upon thousands of refugees & economic chancers stuck in limbo & despite their pitiful U-turn & breaking their own rules twice have the nerve threaten other nations to take more. This is the biggest blow to the European union to date one which the EU will not recover from & it was all caused by the one Nation that stands to lose the most from it. It's all just so f***ing mental. Edited by Ouzo Dan (15 Sep 2015 1.41pm) Sex Panther 60% of the time it works every time
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Germany's action's have been a disgrace, you cannot open your borders the way they have done creating a once in a lifetime mad dash that we will never see again & then shut the door.

How many more have died because of Merkel's frankly mental plan? she should be arrested & tried at court.

Germany have pissed off half of Europe, have left thousands upon thousands of refugees & economic chancers stuck in limbo & despite their pitiful U-turn & breaking their own rules twice have the nerve threaten other nations to take more.

This is the biggest blow to the European union to date one which the EU will not recover from & it was all caused by the one Nation that stands to lose the most from it.

It's all just so f***ing mental.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (15 Sep 2015 1.41pm)

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 15 Sep 15 2.00pm
Quote Stuk at 15 Sep 2015 1.36pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Sep 2015 12.52pm Quote since1953 at 15 Sep 2015 12.44pm After promising refuge to 800K immigrants in the first year,Germany has closed its border with Austria after taking in a fraction (40K?) . They are now proposing a financial penalty for those EU countries not wishing to take a proportion. Dream on. See this makes sense to me. They proposed taking 800,000 refugees, not 800,000 immigrants. Effectively the best solution is to restrict borders, and take refugees primarily from the camps, thus preventing people trying to get into countries 'illicitly' and claiming independent asylum. Realistically, the solution to the problem is better resolved on an European wide basis, than individual nationalities - Such as the suspension Free Movement going forwards which would reduce UK Immigration by 42% in the coming year, and easily allow for a significant contribution to Refugee placements (well in excess of the 4,000 a year we have agreed on, over five years). It made sense weeks, if not months, ago, instead of Germany saying you're all welcome and f* the rules abour registering. Now they're swamped with too many, they resort to bullying other countries into doing what they want them to do. Germany ? Bullying other smaller countries? Surely not, I won't have it. Did anyone see the sky news footage of the Hungarians putting up security fences? Jesus H Christ it was like listening to commentary of Simon Bates narrating the erection of a death/ concentration camp FFS. When in fact all they where doing where securing points along the border were ILLEGAL immigrants where ILLEGALLY (there's that word again). The actual official entry point was still open, and yet it wasn�t being used ? interesting isn�t it, a perfectly legal and above board boarder control crossing not being used. Well in the words of one English speaking Syrian "refugee" (my arse) they didn�t want to cross legally as their finger prints would be taken. So in his words, they would stay at the fence causing as much as a problem for the Hungarian authorities as possible until they removed the fence. Now if that doesn�t make even the likes of UN special envoy for peace Mr Jamie Martin even a tad suspicious then I give up. I know why they don�t want their finger prints taken, its because there is a central bank of over 73000 known terrorist finger prints, and I would imagine a few among their contingent have let it be known that no one will have their finger prints taken, or Allah will be very cross. And at this rate there won't be anyone left in Syria by October. Dodgey as f*, and making it harder to recognise the real cases of hardship and persicution. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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It made sense weeks, if not months, ago, instead of Germany saying you're all welcome and f*** the rules abour registering.

Now they're swamped with too many, they resort to bullying other countries into doing what they want them to do.

Germany ? Bullying other smaller countries? Surely not, I won't have it.

Did anyone see the sky news footage of the Hungarians putting up security fences? Jesus H Christ it was like listening to commentary of Simon Bates narrating the erection of a death/ concentration camp FFS.

When in fact all they where doing where securing points along the border were ILLEGAL immigrants where ILLEGALLY (there's that word again). The actual official entry point was still open, and yet it wasn�t being used ? interesting isn�t it, a perfectly legal and above board boarder control crossing not being used. Well in the words of one English speaking Syrian "refugee" (my arse) they didn�t want to cross legally as their finger prints would be taken.

So in his words, they would stay at the fence causing as much as a problem for the Hungarian authorities as possible until they removed the fence.

Now if that doesn�t make even the likes of UN special envoy for peace Mr Jamie Martin even a tad suspicious then I give up.

I know why they don�t want their finger prints taken, its because there is a central bank of over 73000 known terrorist finger prints, and I would imagine a few among their contingent have let it be known that no one will have their finger prints taken, or Allah will be very cross.

And at this rate there won't be anyone left in Syria by October.
Dodgey as f***, and making it harder to recognise the real cases of hardship and persicution.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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