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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 30 Aug 15 9.36pm

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Yeah, but they used to have "Work Sets You Free" on their concentration camp gates.

 


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Those who are concerned about illegal immigration can help with this police appeal to be alert and report a trafficker who is reportedly using this car.

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Britain First went down to Calais and interviewed some of the refugees. Quite interesting footage actually. [Link]

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 31 Aug 15 2.36pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 31 Aug 2015 12.52pm

Britain First went down to Calais and interviewed some of the refugees. Quite interesting footage actually. [Link]


I'd say the people they interviewed were hardly a representation of the people in the camp.

 

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Quote nickgusset at 31 Aug 2015 2.36pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 31 Aug 2015 12.52pm

Britain First went down to Calais and interviewed some of the refugees. Quite interesting footage actually. [Link]


I'd say the people they interviewed were hardly a representation of the people in the camp.

I'd say you see what you want to believe, same as anyone who goes out there to collect the sob stories or vilify.

For example 40% of the population of Syria has had to flee, meaning there are plenty of professionals heading here. Or viewed another way, a million unemployed.

None of this detracts from those ideas and attitudes about the UK that are prevalent inside the camp or anywhere else.

 

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Quote dannyh at 27 Aug 2015 2.09pm

What I find laughable is we have the left on the one hand telling us the NHS is on its knees, Schools are failing, prisons are full, a massive lack of housing, and yet .....

And yet on the other hand they want more people to come in to the country to add to what is already (according to them) a failing system.

And the whole "its the governments fault for not investing " is a mute point, the situation is what it is. Arguing over how we got to this situation is as effective as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition.

But wanting to add to it is positively mental.

Don't forget that every family that arrives contains a teacher, a medical worker, a carer and they all pay tax even before they've got jobs. And the kids got straight As when they were 6, before they arrived and are only going to school due to the oppresive British rules on attending school.

Oh I forgot the builder in the family that builds them their own house before they arrive too.


Strange how you deride others for 'sarcastic' posts.

Strange how as the HOLS leading leftie you ignored my post ?

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Aug 2015 10.11pm

Quote dannyh at 27 Aug 2015 2.09pm

What I find laughable is we have the left on the one hand telling us the NHS is on its knees, Schools are failing, prisons are full, a massive lack of housing, and yet .....

And yet on the other hand they want more people to come in to the country to add to what is already (according to them) a failing system.

And the whole "its the governments fault for not investing " is a mute point, the situation is what it is. Arguing over how we got to this situation is as effective as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition.

But wanting to add to it is positively mental.

Of course its worth noting that many of those 'coming' are also working, and only here short term - meaning that they generate more taxation than they cost (bonus for education and the NHS), whilst many will end up working in the Education system and NHS.

I would say that a much higher percentage are unskilled especially if you take immigrants from a third world country, not eveyone that jumps the fence or batters a lorry driver is a brain surgeon, and the assumption that they are is as staggering as it is naive.

Also if I remember rightly, one of the areas that massively benefited from cheap migrant labour was the construction industry in the UK.

It didnt beneift british construction workers, it put many out of business with cheap European Labour under cutting established building companies, one of my mates scaffolding firms went tits up becuase of thses so called benefits as did many other building Companies. The only People it benfited where the big construction companies who employed the migrant workers, they certainly didnt pass on the savings in labour to the housing market did they Jamie ?

I wouldn't necessarily point at the problems and say its the migrants, when you look at the cuts in funding that have affected schools, hospitals and prisons.

I never said it was the migrants fault. I said that letting more people in to the country in it's current state of diss-repair it fcuking mental and will only put more strain on an already stretched to breking point system. And I see nothing in what you have posted to suggest otherwise.



 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 01 Sep 15 11.38am

Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 10.49am

I would say that a much higher percentage are unskilled especially if you take immigrants from a third world country, not eveyone that jumps the fence or batters a lorry driver is a brain surgeon, and the assumption that they are is as staggering as it is naive.

True, but those who aren't legally entitled to work here or aren't valid asylum cases shouldn't be excluded just because they aren't British either by default, nor do I agree with the EU 'right to work anyhwere' policy, as it simply provides access to cheap labour for companies, without ever addressing the problem of unemployment in the UK and artificially pushes down wage demands.

Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 10.49am
It didnt beneift british construction workers, it put many out of business with cheap European Labour under cutting established building companies, one of my mates scaffolding firms went tits up becuase of thses so called benefits as did many other building Companies. The only People it benfited where the big construction companies who employed the migrant workers, they certainly didnt pass on the savings in labour to the housing market did they Jamie ?

Of course it didn't, the industry benefitted, and profited at the expense of its employees. Same as it always does, but that's capitalism. It isn't about the interests of society, people, or workers, but the production of profit is its driving moral and ethical imperative.

The myth is that supply and demand counter balance each other in real life, towards an ideal that serves a social balance, but it doesn't, because the markets are controlled and influenced towards the interests of production and producers of capital. Hence you can lay off staff to produce a rise in share price, that benefits dividend payments and the company, even if those employees were productive (because you can then replace them with cheaper alternatives).


Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 10.49am
I never said it was the migrants fault. I said that letting more people in to the country in it's current state of diss-repair it fcuking mental and will only put more strain on an already stretched to breking point system. And I see nothing in what you have posted to suggest otherwise.

The problem is though, that state of disrepair is going to continue indefinitely, it has since the 80s, because successive governments have cut public spending in order to cut taxes to win elections. That won't end in any forseeable future. The issue with state infrastructure like the NHS is arguably better off with migration (largely because most migrants will pay in more than they take out, and return to their home nation before they become a 'state burden' in their old age.

Its all smoke and mirrors - Migrants are presented as the problem, because the truth is that the state of disrepair and decay in the UK is the product of government spending polices over the last 40 years


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 01 Sep 15 11.45am

Quote johnfirewall at 31 Aug 2015 9.34pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Aug 2015 2.36pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 31 Aug 2015 12.52pm

Britain First went down to Calais and interviewed some of the refugees. Quite interesting footage actually. [Link]


I'd say the people they interviewed were hardly a representation of the people in the camp.

I'd say you see what you want to believe, same as anyone who goes out there to collect the sob stories or vilify.

For example 40% of the population of Syria has had to flee, meaning there are plenty of professionals heading here. Or viewed another way, a million unemployed.

None of this detracts from those ideas and attitudes about the UK that are prevalent inside the camp or anywhere else.

I'd say that I'd trust Britain First to be as reliable a source of information as the Socialist Worker. I'm on the far left, but I wouldn't trust a lot of the far left party sources. Similarly I wouldn't trust a fundermentalist wannabe 'fascist' group like Britain First to tell me the time of day.

And I say wannabe fascist group, because they give Fascism a bad name. At least with the National Socialist et al, you had some intellectual argument, were interesting and engaged in intelligent discourse, along with some snazzy uniforms and flags. Britain First resemble National Socialism, if it was organized by CBBC and dressed by the last day of sales at C&A.

 


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This country truly needs to focus upon solving its internal problems, like providing enough affordable housing and encouraging more higher waged jobs.

We need more immigrants like a hole in the head. We have far too many as it is.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 01 Sep 2015 11.38am

Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 10.49am

I would say that a much higher percentage are unskilled especially if you take immigrants from a third world country, not eveyone that jumps the fence or batters a lorry driver is a brain surgeon, and the assumption that they are is as staggering as it is naive.

True, but those who aren't legally entitled to work here or aren't valid asylum cases shouldn't be excluded just because they aren't British either by default, nor do I agree with the EU 'right to work anyhwere' policy, as it simply provides access to cheap labour for companies, without ever addressing the problem of unemployment in the UK and artificially pushes down wage demands.

Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 10.49am
It didnt beneift british construction workers, it put many out of business with cheap European Labour under cutting established building companies, one of my mates scaffolding firms went tits up becuase of thses so called benefits as did many other building Companies. The only People it benfited where the big construction companies who employed the migrant workers, they certainly didnt pass on the savings in labour to the housing market did they Jamie ?

Of course it didn't, the industry benefitted, and profited at the expense of its employees. Same as it always does, but that's capitalism. It isn't about the interests of society, people, or workers, but the production of profit is its driving moral and ethical imperative.

The myth is that supply and demand counter balance each other in real life, towards an ideal that serves a social balance, but it doesn't, because the markets are controlled and influenced towards the interests of production and producers of capital. Hence you can lay off staff to produce a rise in share price, that benefits dividend payments and the company, even if those employees were productive (because you can then replace them with cheaper alternatives).


Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 10.49am
I never said it was the migrants fault. I said that letting more people in to the country in it's current state of diss-repair it fcuking mental and will only put more strain on an already stretched to breking point system. And I see nothing in what you have posted to suggest otherwise.

The problem is though, that state of disrepair is going to continue indefinitely, it has since the 80s, because successive governments have cut public spending in order to cut taxes to win elections. That won't end in any forseeable future. The issue with state infrastructure like the NHS is arguably better off with migration (largely because most migrants will pay in more than they take out, and return to their home nation before they become a 'state burden' in their old age.

Its all smoke and mirrors - Migrants are presented as the problem, because the truth is that the state of disrepair and decay in the UK is the product of government spending polices over the last 40 years



Agreed, but my question is how is letting in 300,000 more people in each year going to help, when a large majority are here just to take what benefits they can get.

I live in the real world Jamie and many on here because of my simplistic views to complex problems insinuate that I'm a racist (it's boring but hey ho.) i hastned to add its not the case, but to argue the country isnt going to hell in a hand cart, is like ignoring the nose on your face, I just don't see how allowing more people in to use a broken infrastructure is the answer to fixing anything, but that it will over time be the straw that breaks the cammels back, sending the NHS et all in to the history books.

The problem is we don't spend enough to cater for everyone here at the minute, whether that be on housing, the NHS, Schools etc etc. So how can letting in more people that will (no doubt what so ever) use those "free" services be of any beneift at all. Further more how can it not aid strain to an already creaking system.

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