True, but those who aren't legally entitled to work here or aren't valid asylum cases shouldn't be excluded just because they aren't British either by default, nor do I agree with the EU 'right to work anyhwere' policy, as it simply provides access to cheap labour for companies, without ever addressing the problem of unemployment in the UK and artificially pushes down wage demands.

Of course it didn't, the industry benefitted, and profited at the expense of its employees. Same as it always does, but that's capitalism. It isn't about the interests of society, people, or workers, but the production of profit is its driving moral and ethical imperative.

The myth is that supply and demand counter balance each other in real life, towards an ideal that serves a social balance, but it doesn't, because the markets are controlled and influenced towards the interests of production and producers of capital. Hence you can lay off staff to produce a rise in share price, that benefits dividend payments and the company, even if those employees were productive (because you can then replace them with cheaper alternatives).

The problem is though, that state of disrepair is going to continue indefinitely, it has since the 80s, because successive governments have cut public spending in order to cut taxes to win elections. That won't end in any forseeable future. The issue with state infrastructure like the NHS is arguably better off with migration (largely because most migrants will pay in more than they take out, and return to their home nation before they become a 'state burden' in their old age.

Its all smoke and mirrors - Migrants are presented as the problem, because the truth is that the state of disrepair and decay in the UK is the product of government spending polices over the last 40 years

I'd say that I'd trust Britain First to be as reliable a source of information as the Socialist Worker. I'm on the far left, but I wouldn't trust a lot of the far left party sources. Similarly I wouldn't trust a fundermentalist wannabe 'fascist' group like Britain First to tell me the time of day.

And I say wannabe fascist group, because they give Fascism a bad name. At least with the National Socialist et al, you had some intellectual argument, were interesting and engaged in intelligent discourse, along with some snazzy uniforms and flags. Britain First resemble National Socialism, if it was organized by CBBC and dressed by the last day of sales at C&A.

Obviously I wasn't actually able to watch that video because the 'reporters' were awful. Especially the woman, who I'm pretty sure was Beats from People Just Do Nothing's girlfriend.

Therefore I've not relied on them for any information which I wasn't already in posession of or able to verify.

Obviously I wasn't actually able to watch that video because the 'reporters' were awful. Especially the woman, who I'm pretty sure was Beats from People Just Do Nothing's girlfriend.

Therefore I've not relied on them for any information which I wasn't already in posession of or able to verify.

I don't think it was the best bit of journalism on the planet that video, but most of what they were saying I agree with.

It's more what the interviewees were saying.

The interesting thing is they're from countries where there is/was a war but they have safehaven in France and money in their pockets to get to England.

They're obviously not deserving if Nick Gusset is dismissing them.

I'm seeing a petition aimed at Theresa May to immediately grant asylum to people 'fleeing war'. A scenario where these people would be accepted by default.

The left generally do want to look after everyone. All this year's crisis has done is take the focus away from the UK's poor who were suffering as a result of the government or bankers. The latter of whom have done the damage, therefore any negatives of immigration are insignificant according to Owen Jones.

Edited by johnfirewall (01 Sep 2015 1.12pm)