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if the west and im mainly saying the americans , stopped covertly arming ISIS with the intention to over throw assad this may not have happened , just saying like

Edited by richard shaw (og)65 (16 Sep 2015 12.58pm)

I wouldn't dismiss your claim out of hand but do you have any evidence for this ?

I would hazard a guess based on the last 70 years of history. Somewhere the yanks supplied this organization. History tends to blame them

People always seem to think the US armed the Taliban - They didn't, the Taliban didn't really exist during the Afghan Civil war. Simiarly, given that the US spent most of its time fighting against IS predecessor, Al-Qaeda in Iraq and its allies among the Sunni Insurgency, its quite unlikely they were arming them.

Its a bit like claiming the British armed the IRA because the IRA raided UDR and Ulster Constabulary armories.

They armed the afgan rebels that fought against the Russians. These rebels later went on to become the Taliban. They also armed the iraqis in their fight against Iran. They also armed the Argies in their fight against us. Based on the reason we went to war for the Malvinas was over mining rights to Antartica. It was split into 5 sectors and we had the sector wirh the only port. So everything came through the British sector. History tells us and will continue to tell us the Americans arm whom they like and it tends to back fire.
Also it sounds nothing like your IRA analogy. It is what it is. Thats just ridiculous

Edited by 7@burnley79 (16 Sep 2015 3.45pm)

Edited by 7@burnley79 (16 Sep 2015 3.48pm)

Are you sure about that ? I was under the impression that Thatcher and Ronnie were allied on that one. Rumour was that the US covertly assisted us.

Yes im quite sure. Why didn't the yanks give us the opportunity to refuel the fleet. Covertly they may have as Thatcher would of made Reagans life hell.
We didnt go down there to save a 1000 "british" citizens i can assure you. In 1905 there was a treaty set up between 5 ruling nations britain was 1 and so where the yanks. Part of the british ruling was the fact we had to maintain occupancy of the Malvinas. The treaty stated that no mining wiuld take place for 100 years in Antartica. Now we still cant mine it properly and we haven't found out how too yet, but once we do Britain will become a very rich nation again down to the fact that our sector has the only port from which to distribute.
Thats why Argentina want the islands back. I assure you its not for the sheep and why we sent our entire fleet cruise ships and anything we could muster back in the 80s

I understand it's significance in terms of resources but I'm yet to be convinced that the Americans hampered our efforts during the conflict.

The original point of them selling arms to the argies right up to the start of the conflict. Also no help in refuelling the fleet.

Well America and numerous others sell arms to just about anyone. If they didn't someone else would and all that. The French sold them missiles for example.

As for refueling the fleet. What is your source ?
What people say they do and what they actually do are often different. Unless you have inside information,which I doubt you would be at liberty to disclose on a football website, then you are hearing this as a rumour or third hand. It's easy to demonsise them but remember that we would be a province of Germany or part of the Soviet Union without them.
Maybe you would prefer the latter.

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richard shaw (og)65 my minds eye 17 Sep 15 12.48pm
what I meant in my original post wasn't acme armaments inc arkansaw selling arms to isis/Taliban I actually meant the government channelling arms to them . in the second world war didn't the Nazi fleet land on mainland America when they were still neutral and get a champagne reception. the Nazis then bollocksed it up by blowing up a fire arms factory a little while later then there was a big backlash against them , they have history of backing the wrong side then having to do a volte face . interviewer " iggy , do you think you influenced anybody?" iggy pop " I think I wiped out the 60`S "
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what I meant in my original post wasn't acme armaments inc arkansaw selling arms to isis/Taliban I actually meant the government channelling arms to them .

in the second world war didn't the Nazi fleet land on mainland America when they were still neutral and get a champagne reception.

the Nazis then bollocksed it up by blowing up a fire arms factory a little while later then there was a big backlash against them , they have history of backing the wrong side then having to do a volte face .

interviewer " iggy , do you think you influenced anybody?"
iggy pop " I think I wiped out the 60`S "

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Quote richard shaw (og)65 at 17 Sep 2015 8.37am Quote 7@burnley79 at 16 Sep 2015 3.44pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Sep 2015 3.33pm Quote 7@burnley79 at 16 Sep 2015 3.29pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 16 Sep 2015 2.50pm Quote richard shaw (og)65 at 16 Sep 2015 12.57pm if the west and im mainly saying the americans , stopped covertly arming ISIS with the intention to over throw assad this may not have happened , just saying like Edited by richard shaw (og)65 (16 Sep 2015 12.58pm) I wouldn't dismiss your claim out of hand but do you have any evidence for this ? I would hazard a guess based on the last 70 years of history. Somewhere the yanks supplied this organization. History tends to blame them People always seem to think the US armed the Taliban - They didn't, the Taliban didn't really exist during the Afghan Civil war. Simiarly, given that the US spent most of its time fighting against IS predecessor, Al-Qaeda in Iraq and its allies among the Sunni Insurgency, its quite unlikely they were arming them. Its a bit like claiming the British armed the IRA because the IRA raided UDR and Ulster Constabulary armories. They armed the afgan rebels that fought against the Russians. These rebels later went on to become the Taliban. They also armed the iraqis in their fight against Iran. They also armed the Argies in their fight against us. Based on the reason we went to war for the Malvinas was over mining rights to Antartica. It was split into 5 sectors and we had the sector wirh the only port. So everything came through the British sector. History tells us and will continue to tell us the Americans arm whom they like and it tends to back fire. Also it sounds nothing like your IRA analogy. It is what it is. Thats just ridiculous Edited by 7@burnley79 (16 Sep 2015 3.45pm) Edited by 7@burnley79 (16 Sep 2015 3.48pm) AGREE NOT SURE ABOUT THE ARGIES , SOUNDS A BIT FAR FETCHED TO ME . JAMIE YOUR IRA COMPARISON IS A BIT WIDE OF THE MARK Not really a comparison, I was saying it was like assuming the British armed the IRA (not the provisional) because the British armed the UDR and UCR (both legal organizations in Ireland) and the IRA stolen weapons from raids on armories. The US weren't the only country selling weapons to the Argentines, a lot of their serious firepower came from France (their Jets and missiles were French). Its also worth noting that the UK had sold weapons to Argentina prior to the Falklands, the Franks report claimed that the last supply of arms had been four days before the invasion of the Islands. We, the UK, have also provided weapons to Iraq. The US provided weapons to the Mujahedeen, and after the conflict had ended the Taliban formed, but it really wouldn't have had access to those US weapons until the Afghan civil war from about 1996 onwards, when it acquired control. Prior to that it was armed largely by factions of the ISI in pakistan. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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if the west and im mainly saying the americans , stopped covertly arming ISIS with the intention to over throw assad this may not have happened , just saying like

Edited by richard shaw (og)65 (16 Sep 2015 12.58pm)

I wouldn't dismiss your claim out of hand but do you have any evidence for this ?

I would hazard a guess based on the last 70 years of history. Somewhere the yanks supplied this organization. History tends to blame them

Its a bit like claiming the British armed the IRA because the IRA raided UDR and Ulster Constabulary armories.

They armed the afgan rebels that fought against the Russians. These rebels later went on to become the Taliban. They also armed the iraqis in their fight against Iran. They also armed the Argies in their fight against us. Based on the reason we went to war for the Malvinas was over mining rights to Antartica. It was split into 5 sectors and we had the sector wirh the only port. So everything came through the British sector. History tells us and will continue to tell us the Americans arm whom they like and it tends to back fire.
Also it sounds nothing like your IRA analogy. It is what it is. Thats just ridiculous

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NOT SURE ABOUT THE ARGIES , SOUNDS A BIT FAR FETCHED TO ME . JAMIE YOUR IRA COMPARISON IS A BIT WIDE OF THE MARK

Not really a comparison, I was saying it was like assuming the British armed the IRA (not the provisional) because the British armed the UDR and UCR (both legal organizations in Ireland) and the IRA stolen weapons from raids on armories.

The US weren't the only country selling weapons to the Argentines, a lot of their serious firepower came from France (their Jets and missiles were French). Its also worth noting that the UK had sold weapons to Argentina prior to the Falklands, the Franks report claimed that the last supply of arms had been four days before the invasion of the Islands. We, the UK, have also provided weapons to Iraq.

The US provided weapons to the Mujahedeen, and after the conflict had ended the Taliban formed, but it really wouldn't have had access to those US weapons until the Afghan civil war from about 1996 onwards, when it acquired control. Prior to that it was armed largely by factions of the ISI in pakistan.

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Quote richard shaw (og)65 at 17 Sep 2015 12.48pm what I meant in my original post wasn't acme armaments inc arkansaw selling arms to isis/Taliban I actually meant the government channelling arms to them . in the second world war didn't the Nazi fleet land on mainland America when they were still neutral and get a champagne reception. the Nazis then bollocksed it up by blowing up a fire arms factory a little while later then there was a big backlash against them , they have history of backing the wrong side then having to do a volte face . The Taliban didn't really exist until 1992, and wasn't a minor faction until 1994. It grew massively as a result of the Afghan civil war. The war against the soviets, which the US backed, was over in 1990. Both Al-Qaeda and the Taliban really are only came into real being in the 90s. Prior to that they weren't really distinct or defined groups, but the individuals that would go onto form those factions (in the case of Al-Qaeda). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote richard shaw (og)65 at 17 Sep 2015 12.48pm

what I meant in my original post wasn't acme armaments inc arkansaw selling arms to isis/Taliban I actually meant the government channelling arms to them .

in the second world war didn't the Nazi fleet land on mainland America when they were still neutral and get a champagne reception.

The Taliban didn't really exist until 1992, and wasn't a minor faction until 1994. It grew massively as a result of the Afghan civil war. The war against the soviets, which the US backed, was over in 1990.

Both Al-Qaeda and the Taliban really are only came into real being in the 90s. Prior to that they weren't really distinct or defined groups, but the individuals that would go onto form those factions (in the case of Al-Qaeda).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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A good idea with all these immigrants is to let them in and put them in forces, train them up and then send them out to Iran Iraq and all the other problem places. This way they could earn their money the correct way and also help their own countries....AND save us money in the long run...Problem solved! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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A good idea with all these immigrants is to let them in and put them in forces, train them up and then send them out to Iran Iraq and all the other problem places. This way they could earn their money the correct way and also help their own countries....AND save us money in the long run...Problem solved!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Quote susmik at 20 Sep 2015 8.25pm A good idea with all these immigrants is to let them in and put them in forces, train them up and then send them out to Iran Iraq and all the other problem places. This way they could earn their money the correct way and also help their own countries....AND save us money in the long run...Problem solved! Fair enough sentiment but perhaps arming and training them is not the best idea in the long-term. Making them useful memebers of society may be more helpful. A lot will have skills useful to bodies such as the NHS etc. Red and Blue Army!
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Fair enough sentiment but perhaps arming and training them is not the best idea in the long-term. Making them useful memebers of society may be more helpful. A lot will have skills useful to bodies such as the NHS etc.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 21 Sep 15 12.43pm
Quote ASCPFC at 21 Sep 2015 12.26pm Quote susmik at 20 Sep 2015 8.25pm A good idea with all these immigrants is to let them in and put them in forces, train them up and then send them out to Iran Iraq and all the other problem places. This way they could earn their money the correct way and also help their own countries....AND save us money in the long run...Problem solved! Fair enough sentiment but perhaps arming and training them is not the best idea in the long-term. Making them useful memebers of society may be more helpful. A lot will have skills useful to bodies such as the NHS etc. And a lot wont have any skills apart from begging stealing and other unlawful acts. The good ones that work in the NHS are in a minority I am afraid due to the mass numbers getting in. I am afraid the "Swarms" coming into Europe have a negative effect on countries that is why so many are closing their borders....Thanks to dear Angela Merkel who has shot herself in the foot by saying all are welcome. You could be seeing the breakdown of the EU due to her and all the immigrants flooding in. Europe should stop it all now until things are sorted out at the source of the "swarm"..... If we do not then I am afraid the whole of Europe will be run by Muslims as they will breed so fast we will be outnumbered in about 20 years. I hope that I am not around then to witness it. Edited by susmik (21 Sep 2015 12.44pm) Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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Fair enough sentiment but perhaps arming and training them is not the best idea in the long-term. Making them useful memebers of society may be more helpful. A lot will have skills useful to bodies such as the NHS etc.

And a lot wont have any skills apart from begging stealing and other unlawful acts. The good ones that work in the NHS are in a minority I am afraid due to the mass numbers getting in. I am afraid the "Swarms" coming into Europe have a negative effect on countries that is why so many are closing their borders....Thanks to dear Angela Merkel who has shot herself in the foot by saying all are welcome. You could be seeing the breakdown of the EU due to her and all the immigrants flooding in. Europe should stop it all now until things are sorted out at the source of the "swarm"..... If we do not then I am afraid the whole of Europe will be run by Muslims as they will breed so fast we will be outnumbered in about 20 years. I hope that I am not around then to witness it.

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Quote susmik at 21 Sep 2015 12.43pm Quote ASCPFC at 21 Sep 2015 12.26pm Quote susmik at 20 Sep 2015 8.25pm A good idea with all these immigrants is to let them in and put them in forces, train them up and then send them out to Iran Iraq and all the other problem places. This way they could earn their money the correct way and also help their own countries....AND save us money in the long run...Problem solved! Fair enough sentiment but perhaps arming and training them is not the best idea in the long-term. Making them useful memebers of society may be more helpful. A lot will have skills useful to bodies such as the NHS etc. And a lot wont have any skills apart from begging stealing and other unlawful acts. The good ones that work in the NHS are in a minority I am afraid due to the mass numbers getting in. I am afraid the "Swarms" coming into Europe have a negative effect on countries that is why so many are closing their borders....Thanks to dear Angela Merkel who has shot herself in the foot by saying all are welcome. You could be seeing the breakdown of the EU due to her and all the immigrants flooding in. Europe should stop it all now until things are sorted out at the source of the "swarm"..... If we do not then I am afraid the whole of Europe will be run by Muslims as they will breed so fast we will be outnumbered in about 20 years. I hope that I am not around then to witness it. Edited by susmik (21 Sep 2015 12.44pm) I can understand your feelings as I think there is quite a lot of fear of the changes in society this influx may bring to Europe. What I would like to see is a Europe get together and be stronger from this. Perhaps Europe could stop bleating about what the previous interventions in the Middle East and get together properly and form an effective European military force and stop the current situation at its source - whilst at the same time stopping IS and the Syrian regime in their tracks. Just can't see any real political will for this though. Red and Blue Army!
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I can understand your feelings as I think there is quite a lot of fear of the changes in society this influx may bring to Europe.
What I would like to see is a Europe get together and be stronger from this. Perhaps Europe could stop bleating about what the previous interventions in the Middle East and get together properly and form an effective European military force and stop the current situation at its source - whilst at the same time stopping IS and the Syrian regime in their tracks. Just can't see any real political will for this though.

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Quote ASCPFC at 21 Sep 2015 12.54pm Quote susmik at 21 Sep 2015 12.43pm Quote ASCPFC at 21 Sep 2015 12.26pm Quote susmik at 20 Sep 2015 8.25pm A good idea with all these immigrants is to let them in and put them in forces, train them up and then send them out to Iran Iraq and all the other problem places. This way they could earn their money the correct way and also help their own countries....AND save us money in the long run...Problem solved! Fair enough sentiment but perhaps arming and training them is not the best idea in the long-term. Making them useful memebers of society may be more helpful. A lot will have skills useful to bodies such as the NHS etc. And a lot wont have any skills apart from begging stealing and other unlawful acts. The good ones that work in the NHS are in a minority I am afraid due to the mass numbers getting in. I am afraid the "Swarms" coming into Europe have a negative effect on countries that is why so many are closing their borders....Thanks to dear Angela Merkel who has shot herself in the foot by saying all are welcome. You could be seeing the breakdown of the EU due to her and all the immigrants flooding in. Europe should stop it all now until things are sorted out at the source of the "swarm"..... If we do not then I am afraid the whole of Europe will be run by Muslims as they will breed so fast we will be outnumbered in about 20 years. I hope that I am not around then to witness it. Edited by susmik (21 Sep 2015 12.44pm) I can understand your feelings as I think there is quite a lot of fear of the changes in society this influx may bring to Europe. What I would like to see is a Europe get together and be stronger from this. Perhaps Europe could stop bleating about what the previous interventions in the Middle East and get together properly and form an effective European military force and stop the current situation at its source - whilst at the same time stopping IS and the Syrian regime in their tracks. Just can't see any real political will for this though. The problem with military intervention in Syria, is a lack of suitable allied border states to establish supply lines and logistics. With Iraq, the US / UK could launch actions through both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. In terms of Syria, the only options would be Turkey (through miles of Kurdish territory), Iraq (where allied forces are slowly liberating IS and Sunni insurgency held positions, towns etc) and Israel via the Golan Heights. Countries like Lebanon and Jordan are never going to permit US / European forces through fear of escalating their own problems with groups like IS etc. The problem then is who are you going to leave in charge. The 'Free Syrian Army' is about as stable as the Anti-Gaddaffi alliance in Libya. I don't really think there is a viable solution to the issue of Syria that the Europeans or US could actually achieve realistically from a military intervention - At least not until the Iraqi IS regions are pacified - and to achieve that on a level suitable for a full scale military assault into Syria, could take years. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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I can understand your feelings as I think there is quite a lot of fear of the changes in society this influx may bring to Europe.
What I would like to see is a Europe get together and be stronger from this. Perhaps Europe could stop bleating about what the previous interventions in the Middle East and get together properly and form an effective European military force and stop the current situation at its source - whilst at the same time stopping IS and the Syrian regime in their tracks. Just can't see any real political will for this though.

The problem with military intervention in Syria, is a lack of suitable allied border states to establish supply lines and logistics. With Iraq, the US / UK could launch actions through both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. In terms of Syria, the only options would be Turkey (through miles of Kurdish territory), Iraq (where allied forces are slowly liberating IS and Sunni insurgency held positions, towns etc) and Israel via the Golan Heights. Countries like Lebanon and Jordan are never going to permit US / European forces through fear of escalating their own problems with groups like IS etc.

The problem then is who are you going to leave in charge. The 'Free Syrian Army' is about as stable as the Anti-Gaddaffi alliance in Libya.

I don't really think there is a viable solution to the issue of Syria that the Europeans or US could actually achieve realistically from a military intervention - At least not until the Iraqi IS regions are pacified - and to achieve that on a level suitable for a full scale military assault into Syria, could take years.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Sep 2015 4.22pm Quote Stirlingsays at 16 Sep 2015 4.18pm Pray tell, who do you think was responsible for 9/11? Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Sep 2015 4.20pm) Cucking Funt 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Pray tell, who do you think was responsible for 9/11?

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On a lighter note: Attachment: We are ging to europe.jpg (76.48Kb) Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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On a lighter note:

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Sep 2015 1.25pm The problem with military intervention in Syria, is a lack of suitable allied border states to establish supply lines and logistics. we have bases in turkey, which borders syria. Quote I don't really think there is a viable solution to the issue of Syria that the Europeans or US could actually achieve realistically from a military intervention - At least not until the Iraqi IS regions are pacified - and to achieve that on a level suitable for a full scale military assault into Syria, could take years. i'm coming to believe that the only solution is to for the west to completely take over a large portion of the middle east. many of these nations have proven no ability to govern themselves and insure the safety of their people. i know this will never happen but all we do is patch a wound again and again. then the wound gets exposed again. been hoping for decades now. Edited by nairb75 (24 Sep 2015 3.58pm)
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nairb75

Baltimore 24 Sep 15 3.55pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Sep 2015 1.25pm

The problem with military intervention in Syria, is a lack of suitable allied border states to establish supply lines and logistics.

we have bases in turkey, which borders syria.

Quote I don't really think there is a viable solution to the issue of Syria that the Europeans or US could actually achieve realistically from a military intervention - At least not until the Iraqi IS regions are pacified - and to achieve that on a level suitable for a full scale military assault into Syria, could take years.

i'm coming to believe that the only solution is to for the west to completely take over a large portion of the middle east. many of these nations have proven no ability to govern themselves and insure the safety of their people. i know this will never happen but all we do is patch a wound again and again. then the wound gets exposed again. been hoping for decades now.

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