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Jamesrichards8 06 Aug 15 5.56pm
Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US. They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender. The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known. A heinous act. It's called war, kermie. Did Japan warn the US before they hit them below the belt and torpedoed pearl harbour? If you are going to wage war, you have to understand the penalty. Japan gambled, played stupidly, and lost big time. Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm) When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...
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Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am

It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US.

They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender.

The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known.

A heinous act.

It's called war, kermie. Did Japan warn the US before they hit them below the belt and torpedoed pearl harbour? If you are going to wage war, you have to understand the penalty. Japan gambled, played stupidly, and lost big time.

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm)

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Jamesrichards8 06 Aug 15 6.01pm
Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US. They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender. The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known. A heinous act. I can't get over what a ridiculous argument this is. I wonder if you'd think differently if thousands of your country's soldiers were dying and you had a way to stop it immtediately? By the way Japan dragged the US into the war, should've thought twice. When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...
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Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am

It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US.

They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender.

The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known.

A heinous act.

I can't get over what a ridiculous argument this is. I wonder if you'd think differently if thousands of your country's soldiers were dying and you had a way to stop it immtediately? By the way Japan dragged the US into the war, should've thought twice.

When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 06 Aug 15 6.06pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Aug 2015 3.47pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 06 Aug 2015 3.36pm Quote TheJudge at 06 Aug 2015 3.33pm My position is this. To see human suffering on that scale is terrible but it has to be put in contest. The US was attacked without reason or warning and defended itself. Ultimately Japan should have surrendered long before it did and certainly before the second Atomic bomb was dropped. The Americans were met with an enemy who put honour and victory before life and suffered many casualties on the ground and at sea through suicide attacks. They put American lives first. ALso the Russians cold not be trusted and might have moved into Asia. As much the use of the bomb appalls me, it has to be seen in that context and history cannot be revised just because it suits current political correctness. The Japanese were ruthless cruel and fanatical and thought we were weak and cowardly. They were wrong. They already had with Germany defeated their eyes turned east With some success. I suspect the Russians wouldn't really have balked at the idea of losing a million men in the invasion of Japan either. Compared to the Eastern front, those were fairly light casualties compared to Stalingrad, Moscow and Leningrad I am not sure, the Soviets were late into the War against Japan, I think it may have been 1945 before they declared war against them, and they had ample chances before then to roll up Korea or China. Initially an earlier declaration of war would have been welcomed by GB and the US. The original post smacks of revisionist history. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 06 Aug 15 6.06pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Aug 2015 3.47pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 06 Aug 2015 3.36pm

Quote TheJudge at 06 Aug 2015 3.33pm

My position is this. To see human suffering on that scale is terrible but it has to be put in contest.
The US was attacked without reason or warning and defended itself. Ultimately Japan should have surrendered long before it did and certainly before the second Atomic bomb was dropped. The Americans were met with an enemy who put honour and victory before life and suffered many casualties on the ground and at sea through suicide attacks. They put American lives first.
ALso the Russians cold not be trusted and might have moved into Asia. As much the use of the bomb appalls me, it has to be seen in that context and history cannot be revised just because it suits current political correctness. The Japanese were ruthless cruel and fanatical and thought we were weak and cowardly. They were wrong.

They already had with Germany defeated their eyes turned east

With some success. I suspect the Russians wouldn't really have balked at the idea of losing a million men in the invasion of Japan either. Compared to the Eastern front, those were fairly light casualties compared to Stalingrad, Moscow and Leningrad

I am not sure, the Soviets were late into the War against Japan, I think it may have been 1945 before they declared war against them, and they had ample chances before then to roll up Korea or China. Initially an earlier declaration of war would have been welcomed by GB and the US.

The original post smacks of revisionist history.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 06 Aug 15 6.15pm
the devastating effect of the 2 low yield(comparitively) bombs in 1945 has probably prevented the use since then of far more destructive weapons.
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Deal or Croydon 06 Aug 15 6.15pm

the devastating effect of the 2 low yield(comparitively) bombs in 1945 has probably prevented the use since then of far more destructive weapons.

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sa_eagle Just outside Cape Town 06 Aug 15 6.16pm
Whatever views we hold on this we hold them in the relative comfort of hindsight with no grasp on the context of the day. A nuclear bomb was always going to be used in anger, whether by the US (with UK complicity) or by the Germans who were in a clear race against the US to develop the technology, or by the Russians if neither of the others had got around to it. Sadly two bombs were dropped in anger but it's fair to say that the aftermath of them is what lead to the non-proliferation treaties and prevented any further bombs being used in anger. Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!
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Just outside Cape Town 06 Aug 15 6.16pm

Whatever views we hold on this we hold them in the relative comfort of hindsight with no grasp on the context of the day.

A nuclear bomb was always going to be used in anger, whether by the US (with UK complicity) or by the Germans who were in a clear race against the US to develop the technology, or by the Russians if neither of the others had got around to it. Sadly two bombs were dropped in anger but it's fair to say that the aftermath of them is what lead to the non-proliferation treaties and prevented any further bombs being used in anger.

Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Aug 15 7.05pm
Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US. They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender. The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known. A heinous act. It's called war, kermie. Did Japan warn the US before they hit them below the belt and torpedoed pearl harbour? If you are going to wage war, you have to understand the penalty. Japan gambled, played stupidly, and lost big time. Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm) Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am

It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US.

They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender.

The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known.

A heinous act.

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm)

Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives.

Big chest and massive boobs

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shaun57 chislehurst 06 Aug 15 7.09pm
No we should nuke the middle east now.... and save thousands.
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chislehurst 06 Aug 15 7.09pm

No we should nuke the middle east now....
and save thousands.

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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Aug 15 7.12pm
Quote shaun57 at 06 Aug 2015 7.09pm No we should nuke the middle east now.... and save thousands. Any particular part? I propose Dubai first then maybe move inland. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 06 Aug 15 7.12pm

Quote shaun57 at 06 Aug 2015 7.09pm

No we should nuke the middle east now....
and save thousands.

Any particular part? I propose Dubai first then maybe move inland.

Big chest and massive boobs

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TheJudge 06 Aug 15 7.49pm
There were people like the lefties on this thread who didn't want to fight and complained about everything during WW2. They didn't like Churchill of course. Some things never change. Lucky they weren't in charge.
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06 Aug 15 7.49pm

There were people like the lefties on this thread who didn't want to fight and complained about everything during WW2. They didn't like Churchill of course.

Some things never change. Lucky they weren't in charge.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 06 Aug 15 7.54pm
This contemporary poster sums up the US attitude to Japan during the WW2. The caption says A war worker writes her navy boy friend a thank you note for the Jap skull he sent her. Attachment: womanandskull.jpg (54.16Kb) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 06 Aug 15 7.54pm

This contemporary poster sums up the US attitude to Japan during the WW2.

The caption says A war worker writes her navy boy friend a thank you note for the Jap skull he sent her.

Attachment: womanandskull.jpg (54.16Kb)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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leggedstruggle Croydon 06 Aug 15 8.00pm
Quote pefwin at 06 Aug 2015 6.06pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Aug 2015 3.47pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 06 Aug 2015 3.36pm Quote TheJudge at 06 Aug 2015 3.33pm My position is this. To see human suffering on that scale is terrible but it has to be put in contest. The US was attacked without reason or warning and defended itself. Ultimately Japan should have surrendered long before it did and certainly before the second Atomic bomb was dropped. The Americans were met with an enemy who put honour and victory before life and suffered many casualties on the ground and at sea through suicide attacks. They put American lives first. ALso the Russians cold not be trusted and might have moved into Asia. As much the use of the bomb appalls me, it has to be seen in that context and history cannot be revised just because it suits current political correctness. The Japanese were ruthless cruel and fanatical and thought we were weak and cowardly. They were wrong. They already had with Germany defeated their eyes turned east With some success. I suspect the Russians wouldn't really have balked at the idea of losing a million men in the invasion of Japan either. Compared to the Eastern front, those were fairly light casualties compared to Stalingrad, Moscow and Leningrad I am not sure, the Soviets were late into the War against Japan, I think it may have been 1945 before they declared war against them, and they had ample chances before then to roll up Korea or China. Initially an earlier declaration of war would have been welcomed by GB and the US. The original post smacks of revisionist history. LOL. 'late' ! The USSR declared war on Japan on 8 August 1945 - two days after the first A-bombing. Do you think they may have thought they were on to a sure thing? Do you think Stalin was prepared to throw millions of men into the struggle Jamie? mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 06 Aug 15 8.00pm

Quote pefwin at 06 Aug 2015 6.06pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Aug 2015 3.47pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 06 Aug 2015 3.36pm

Quote TheJudge at 06 Aug 2015 3.33pm

They already had with Germany defeated their eyes turned east

I am not sure, the Soviets were late into the War against Japan, I think it may have been 1945 before they declared war against them, and they had ample chances before then to roll up Korea or China. Initially an earlier declaration of war would have been welcomed by GB and the US.

The original post smacks of revisionist history.

LOL. 'late' ! The USSR declared war on Japan on 8 August 1945 - two days after the first A-bombing. Do you think they may have thought they were on to a sure thing? Do you think Stalin was prepared to throw millions of men into the struggle Jamie?

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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suicideatselhurst crawley 06 Aug 15 8.01pm
Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 7.05pm Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US. They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender. The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known. A heinous act. It's called war, kermie. Did Japan warn the US before they hit them below the belt and torpedoed pearl harbour? If you are going to wage war, you have to understand the penalty. Japan gambled, played stupidly, and lost big time. Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm) Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives. Yep we should ..and dont forget the handball by that dirty little cvnt maradonna Theres someone in my head ... But its not me X/Box game Tag bazcpfc1961, clan (HMS)
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crawley 06 Aug 15 8.01pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 7.05pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am

It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US.

They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender.

The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known.

A heinous act.

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm)

Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives.

Yep we should ..and dont forget the handball by that dirty little cvnt maradonna

Theres someone in my head ... But its not me

X/Box game Tag bazcpfc1961, clan (HMS)

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