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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 06 Aug 15 8.04pm
Sadly it was necessary as they wouldn't stop fighting. This is unfortunately the brutality of war. A dreadful thing to do but there was no other choice. Dresden was also brutal but again the Nazis wouldn't stop fighting. The left of course cry about it now and say the likes of 'Bomber' Harris are war criminals, but then the left are stupid.
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 06 Aug 15 8.04pm

Sadly it was necessary as they wouldn't stop fighting. This is unfortunately the brutality of war. A dreadful thing to do but there was no other choice.
Dresden was also brutal but again the Nazis wouldn't stop fighting. The left of course cry about it now and say the likes of 'Bomber' Harris are war criminals, but then the left are stupid.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 06 Aug 15 8.07pm
Quote fed up eagle at 06 Aug 2015 8.04pm Sadly it was necessary as they wouldn't stop fighting. This is unfortunately the brutality of war. A dreadful thing to do but there was no other choice. Dresden was also brutal but again the Nazis wouldn't stop fighting. The left of course cry about it now and say the likes of 'Bomber' Harris are war criminals, but then the left are stupid. Dresden was wrong. There were far more appropriate targets that were less risky to our crews for our bombers to attack anyway. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Quote fed up eagle at 06 Aug 2015 8.04pm

Dresden was wrong. There were far more appropriate targets that were less risky to our crews for our bombers to attack anyway.

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Jamesrichards8 06 Aug 15 8.13pm
Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 7.05pm Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US. They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender. The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known. A heinous act. It's called war, kermie. Did Japan warn the US before they hit them below the belt and torpedoed pearl harbour? If you are going to wage war, you have to understand the penalty. Japan gambled, played stupidly, and lost big time. Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm) Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives. I don't really think the falklands were on the same scale as the second world war. Also we don't have any nukes Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 8.13pm) When you�re knocked on your back and your life�s a flop...
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It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US.

They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender.

The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known.

A heinous act.

It's called war, kermie. Did Japan warn the US before they hit them below the belt and torpedoed pearl harbour? If you are going to wage war, you have to understand the penalty. Japan gambled, played stupidly, and lost big time.

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm)

Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives.

I don't really think the falklands were on the same scale as the second world war. Also we don't have any nukes

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 8.13pm)

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Mr Palaceman 06 Aug 15 8.15pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Aug 2015 10.33pm 70 years ago. Always thought it was a necessary evil but not so sure now. [Link] Then again the Japanese still refused to surrender and of course the atrocities they committed were absolutely horrific. Worryingly there is a significant movement within Japan trying to rewrite history. [Link] I was unnecessary but inevitable. Once it had been developed, They had to then use it. The Japanese tried to surrender before the bomb was dropped after Russia declared war on Japan. The bomb was dropped to show the Russians what the Allies could do. Secret papers released decades after the war show this. I remember seeing a documentry on the released papers in around 1990. I think it was reported on the BBC at the time. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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06 Aug 15 8.15pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Aug 2015 10.33pm

70 years ago. Always thought it was a necessary evil but not so sure now.

[Link]

Then again the Japanese still refused to surrender and of course the atrocities they committed were absolutely horrific.

Worryingly there is a significant movement within Japan trying to rewrite history.
[Link]

I was unnecessary but inevitable. Once it had been developed, They had to then use it.

The Japanese tried to surrender before the bomb was dropped after Russia declared war on Japan. The bomb was dropped to show the Russians what the Allies could do.

Secret papers released decades after the war show this. I remember seeing a documentry on the released papers in around 1990. I think it was reported on the BBC at the time.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Aug 15 8.19pm
Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US. They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender. The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known. A heinous act. The Japanese, due to their belief that their Emperor was a God, we're not going to surrender. Bear in mind that up until 1974 there were Japanese soldiers in places like Micronesia still fighting the war and when they were found by locals, they persisted in killing them as they had not had instruction to down weapons. Plus the Japanese human rights record in the war was barbaric. They tortured and raped at will. Chinese, Koreans, Malay, Singaporean, etc., they didn't care. POW's were treated as sub human scum. Additionally, the Japanese weren't afraid to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of their own. The use of nuclear weapons was the last resort but in a situation like that, where you have an enemy who is so intractable, what do you do? Talk and provide humanitarian aid in the hope they bow down? Edited by matt_himself (06 Aug 2015 8.20pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 06 Aug 15 8.19pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am

It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US.

They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender.

The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known.

A heinous act.

The Japanese, due to their belief that their Emperor was a God, we're not going to surrender.

Bear in mind that up until 1974 there were Japanese soldiers in places like Micronesia still fighting the war and when they were found by locals, they persisted in killing them as they had not had instruction to down weapons.

Plus the Japanese human rights record in the war was barbaric. They tortured and raped at will. Chinese, Koreans, Malay, Singaporean, etc., they didn't care. POW's were treated as sub human scum.

Additionally, the Japanese weren't afraid to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of their own.

The use of nuclear weapons was the last resort but in a situation like that, where you have an enemy who is so intractable, what do you do?

Talk and provide humanitarian aid in the hope they bow down?

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johnny the eagle wivenhoe 06 Aug 15 8.21pm
Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.13pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 7.05pm Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US. They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender. The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known. A heinous act. It's called war, kermie. Did Japan warn the US before they hit them below the belt and torpedoed pearl harbour? If you are going to wage war, you have to understand the penalty. Japan gambled, played stupidly, and lost big time. Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm) Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives. I don't really think the falklands were on the same scale as the second world war. Also we don't have any nukes Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 8.13pm) Oh, don't we have nukes, I wonder what them subs in Scotland are carrying then. South London born and bred red and blue till im dead.
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Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am

It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US.

They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender.

The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known.

A heinous act.

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm)

Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives.

I don't really think the falklands were on the same scale as the second world war. Also we don't have any nukes

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 8.13pm)

Oh, don't we have nukes, I wonder what them subs in Scotland are carrying then.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 06 Aug 15 8.37pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 06 Aug 2015 8.07pm Quote fed up eagle at 06 Aug 2015 8.04pm Sadly it was necessary as they wouldn't stop fighting. This is unfortunately the brutality of war. A dreadful thing to do but there was no other choice. Dresden was also brutal but again the Nazis wouldn't stop fighting. The left of course cry about it now and say the likes of 'Bomber' Harris are war criminals, but then the left are stupid. Dresden was wrong. There were far more appropriate targets that were less risky to our crews for our bombers to attack anyway. There were reports of first class troop movements in the area. That's why they did it. Wether the reports were correct or not I couldn't possibly say, but ultimately if the Germans had surrendered then many lives could have been saved.
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Quote leggedstruggle at 06 Aug 2015 8.07pm

Quote fed up eagle at 06 Aug 2015 8.04pm

Dresden was wrong. There were far more appropriate targets that were less risky to our crews for our bombers to attack anyway.

There were reports of first class troop movements in the area. That's why they did it. Wether the reports were correct or not I couldn't possibly say, but ultimately if the Germans had surrendered then many lives could have been saved.

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Harry Beever Newbury 06 Aug 15 8.38pm
Quote suicideatselhurst at 06 Aug 2015 8.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 7.05pm Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US. They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender. The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known. A heinous act. It's called war, kermie. Did Japan warn the US before they hit them below the belt and torpedoed pearl harbour? If you are going to wage war, you have to understand the penalty. Japan gambled, played stupidly, and lost big time. Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm) Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives. Yep we should ..and dont forget the handball by that dirty little cvnt maradonna On that basis the Paddys should probably nuke Paris for Henry's misdemeanour. It was an act of unparalleled brutality but a means to an end. I don't really know if that justifies it. Very glad it wasn't my decision and very glad it doesn't sit on my conscience. Is all fair in love and war? Pretty pointless debating the morality of it really. I guess you do what you have to to win. Was it the Duke of Wellington that said "the next saddest thing to a battle lost is a battle won"?
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Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 7.05pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am

It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US.

They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender.

The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known.

A heinous act.

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm)

Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives.

Yep we should ..and dont forget the handball by that dirty little cvnt maradonna

On that basis the Paddys should probably nuke Paris for Henry's misdemeanour.

It was an act of unparalleled brutality but a means to an end. I don't really know if that justifies it. Very glad it wasn't my decision and very glad it doesn't sit on my conscience. Is all fair in love and war? Pretty pointless debating the morality of it really. I guess you do what you have to to win. Was it the Duke of Wellington that said "the next saddest thing to a battle lost is a battle won"?

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 06 Aug 15 8.39pm
Quote johnny the eagle at 06 Aug 2015 8.21pm Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.13pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 7.05pm Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US. They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender. The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known. A heinous act. It's called war, kermie. Did Japan warn the US before they hit them below the belt and torpedoed pearl harbour? If you are going to wage war, you have to understand the penalty. Japan gambled, played stupidly, and lost big time. Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm) Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives. I don't really think the falklands were on the same scale as the second world war. Also we don't have any nukes Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 8.13pm) Oh, don't we have nukes, I wonder what them subs in Scotland are carrying then. Yep we have nukes, but if the left have their way we won't.
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Quote johnny the eagle at 06 Aug 2015 8.21pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.13pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 7.05pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 06 Aug 2015 5.56pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Aug 2015 8.31am

It was a real life medical experiment without anaesthetic by the US.

They could have quite easily have dropped the bombs 40 miles from Tokyo in a non-populated area and warned that the city would be next on the list if they didn't surrender.

The population of Hiroshima at the time was mostly kids, women and old people as the men were away soldiering. Something the US would also have obviously known.

A heinous act.

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 5.58pm)

Yer right. We should have nuked Buenos Aires in '82 and saved 256 British lives.

I don't really think the falklands were on the same scale as the second world war. Also we don't have any nukes

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (06 Aug 2015 8.13pm)

Oh, don't we have nukes, I wonder what them subs in Scotland are carrying then.

Yep we have nukes, but if the left have their way we won't.

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suicideatselhurst crawley 06 Aug 15 8.39pm
Quote Mr Palaceman at 06 Aug 2015 8.15pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Aug 2015 10.33pm 70 years ago. Always thought it was a necessary evil but not so sure now. [Link] Then again the Japanese still refused to surrender and of course the atrocities they committed were absolutely horrific. Worryingly there is a significant movement within Japan trying to rewrite history. [Link] I was unnecessary but inevitable. Once it had been developed, They had to then use it. The Japanese tried to surrender before the bomb was dropped after Russia declared war on Japan. The bomb was dropped to show the Russians what the Allies could do. Secret papers released decades after the war show this. I remember seeing a documentry on the released papers in around 1990. I think it was reported on the BBC at the time. The Japenese government was split down the middle regarding surrender, the final decision was given to the Emperor, after the second bomb had been dropped, the russians promised they would declare war on japan after Germanys surrender, which they honoured and invaded Manchuria.... it had nothing to do with showing the russians what they had, it was a means to end the war quickly, some U.S. government predictions had the war in Japan not ending until 1946/7.... even with British and Russian forces joining in....even after Okinowa had been overun the Japanese had 6 million men they could send in the field....horrible, but had to be done, no point in judging what people did 70 years ago from the comfort of our keyboards Theres someone in my head ... But its not me X/Box game Tag bazcpfc1961, clan (HMS)
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crawley 06 Aug 15 8.39pm

Quote Mr Palaceman at 06 Aug 2015 8.15pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Aug 2015 10.33pm

70 years ago. Always thought it was a necessary evil but not so sure now.

[Link]

Then again the Japanese still refused to surrender and of course the atrocities they committed were absolutely horrific.

Worryingly there is a significant movement within Japan trying to rewrite history.
[Link]

I was unnecessary but inevitable. Once it had been developed, They had to then use it.

The Japanese tried to surrender before the bomb was dropped after Russia declared war on Japan. The bomb was dropped to show the Russians what the Allies could do.

Secret papers released decades after the war show this. I remember seeing a documentry on the released papers in around 1990. I think it was reported on the BBC at the time.

The Japenese government was split down the middle regarding surrender, the final decision was given to the Emperor, after the second bomb had been dropped, the russians promised they would declare war on japan after Germanys surrender, which they honoured and invaded Manchuria.... it had nothing to do with showing the russians what they had, it was a means to end the war quickly, some U.S. government predictions had the war in Japan not ending until 1946/7.... even with British and Russian forces joining in....even after Okinowa had been overun the Japanese had 6 million men they could send in the field....horrible, but had to be done, no point in judging what people did 70 years ago from the comfort of our keyboards

Theres someone in my head ... But its not me

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 06 Aug 15 8.42pm
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An idea why it happened:

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Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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legaleagle 06 Aug 15 9.24pm
Quote TheJudge at 06 Aug 2015 7.49pm There were people like the lefties on this thread who didn't want to fight and complained about everything during WW2. They didn't like Churchill of course. Some things never change. Lucky they weren't in charge. Then there were people like the righties (I wouldn't be so patronising as to say like the righties on this thread) like the owner of the Daily Mail and its headline of "Hurrah for the BUF Blackshirts" and the righties who appeased Hitler and ended up getting is into the mess we faced in May 1940...The appeasers didn't like Churchill of course.Kind of people who complained about those who said Hitler would have to be dealt with,was evil and we'd better get prepared...Lucky they were finally usurped in May 1940.
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Quote TheJudge at 06 Aug 2015 7.49pm

There were people like the lefties on this thread who didn't want to fight and complained about everything during WW2. They didn't like Churchill of course.

Some things never change. Lucky they weren't in charge.

Then there were people like the righties (I wouldn't be so patronising as to say like the righties on this thread) like the owner of the Daily Mail and its headline of "Hurrah for the BUF Blackshirts" and the righties who appeased Hitler and ended up getting is into the mess we faced in May 1940...The appeasers didn't like Churchill of course.Kind of people who complained about those who said Hitler would have to be dealt with,was evil and we'd better get prepared...Lucky they were finally usurped in May 1940.

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