Smoking ban in pub gardens.

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TheJudge 13 Aug 15 7.12pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.27pm Now let me see that I have got this right. You go to the garden of a pub and light up a cigarette and you now find yourself breaking the law and getting fined. You intimidate and harass truck drivers, cause damage to vehicles and property, smuggle yourself across international borders and you get rewarded for it! What a country we live in. I hate smoking but for goodness sake we must have some bastions of working class culture left. Football is already on the way to being a middle class prawn sandwich brigade sport. Pubs that have been around for hundreds of years and are part of our country’s social fabric are finding it hard enough to survive as it is without yet another deterrent to put people off coming. Talk about a nanny state. Simple answer. Give up smoking and do yourself and everyone else a favour. Pubs need to adapt to survive.
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13 Aug 15 7.12pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.27pm

Now let me see that I have got this right.
You go to the garden of a pub and light up a cigarette and you now find yourself breaking the law and getting fined.
You intimidate and harass truck drivers, cause damage to vehicles and property, smuggle yourself across international borders and you get rewarded for it!
What a country we live in.
I hate smoking but for goodness sake we must have some bastions of working class culture left. Football is already on the way to being a middle class prawn sandwich brigade sport. Pubs that have been around for hundreds of years and are part of our country’s social fabric are finding it hard enough to survive as it is without yet another deterrent to put people off coming.
Talk about a nanny state.

Simple answer. Give up smoking and do yourself and everyone else a favour.

Pubs need to adapt to survive.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 13 Aug 15 7.51pm
Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 7.12pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.27pm Now let me see that I have got this right. You go to the garden of a pub and light up a cigarette and you now find yourself breaking the law and getting fined. You intimidate and harass truck drivers, cause damage to vehicles and property, smuggle yourself across international borders and you get rewarded for it! What a country we live in. I hate smoking but for goodness sake we must have some bastions of working class culture left. Football is already on the way to being a middle class prawn sandwich brigade sport. Pubs that have been around for hundreds of years and are part of our country’s social fabric are finding it hard enough to survive as it is without yet another deterrent to put people off coming. Talk about a nanny state. Simple answer. Give up smoking and do yourself and everyone else a favour. Pubs need to adapt to survive. That's just it though, they aren’t surviving. Cutting of the very reason for their being means less people through the door. Pubs in my opinion are part of what make this country great. We may not have the sunshine and beaches etc. but we have pubs and football. To walk in to a real old fashioned pub on a cold day is a bloody great feeling. I fear it’s the end now for most of these places with the exception of the crappy teeny bopper type town centre pubs selling alcopops to p@ssed up 18 year olds. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 13 Aug 15 7.51pm

Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 7.12pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.27pm

Simple answer. Give up smoking and do yourself and everyone else a favour.

Pubs need to adapt to survive.

That's just it though, they aren’t surviving. Cutting of the very reason for their being means less people through the door. Pubs in my opinion are part of what make this country great. We may not have the sunshine and beaches etc. but we have pubs and football. To walk in to a real old fashioned pub on a cold day is a bloody great feeling. I fear it’s the end now for most of these places with the exception of the crappy teeny bopper type town centre pubs selling alcopops to p@ssed up 18 year olds.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 13 Aug 15 8.06pm
Quote matt_himself at 13 Aug 2015 7.07pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 5.17pm I'm not a smoker but this is wrong. Soon they'll be banning f@rting, and anyone caught doing it will be fined with a suspended jail term I totally agree. Smokers should be allowed to smoke outside of buildings. If things go down this Nanny State way too much, I soon won't be allowed to sniff women's hair on the buses whilst masterbating. First they came... Never mind sniffing their hair, what about their knickers??
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fed up eagle

Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 13 Aug 15 8.06pm

Quote matt_himself at 13 Aug 2015 7.07pm

Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 5.17pm

I'm not a smoker but this is wrong. Soon they'll be banning f@rting, and anyone caught doing it will be fined with a suspended jail term

I totally agree. Smokers should be allowed to smoke outside of buildings.

If things go down this Nanny State way too much, I soon won't be allowed to sniff women's hair on the buses whilst masterbating.

First they came...

Never mind sniffing their hair, what about their knickers??

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TheJudge 13 Aug 15 8.30pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 7.51pm Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 7.12pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.27pm Now let me see that I have got this right. You go to the garden of a pub and light up a cigarette and you now find yourself breaking the law and getting fined. You intimidate and harass truck drivers, cause damage to vehicles and property, smuggle yourself across international borders and you get rewarded for it! What a country we live in. I hate smoking but for goodness sake we must have some bastions of working class culture left. Football is already on the way to being a middle class prawn sandwich brigade sport. Pubs that have been around for hundreds of years and are part of our country’s social fabric are finding it hard enough to survive as it is without yet another deterrent to put people off coming. Talk about a nanny state. Simple answer. Give up smoking and do yourself and everyone else a favour. Pubs need to adapt to survive. That's just it though, they aren’t surviving. Cutting of the very reason for their being means less people through the door. Pubs in my opinion are part of what make this country great. We may not have the sunshine and beaches etc. but we have pubs and football. To walk in to a real old fashioned pub on a cold day is a bloody great feeling. I fear it’s the end now for most of these places with the exception of the crappy teeny bopper type town centre pubs selling alcopops to p@ssed up 18 year olds. If pubs had their way we would go back to the awful smoke filled dives that I had to put up with in my youth. Coming home stinking of nicotine and having to breath in carcinogens all night. You would call that the good old days I suppose. No, Smoking is a dying habit in more ways than one and the sooner it is irradiated the better. I care about smoky pubs going out of business as I do for the livelihoods of fox hunters. If people want to smoke, then smoke at home. I want to go to a pub garden or train station or football match without having some addict blowing smoke in my face. Edited by TheJudge (13 Aug 2015 8.31pm)
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13 Aug 15 8.30pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 7.51pm

Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 7.12pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 6.27pm

Simple answer. Give up smoking and do yourself and everyone else a favour.

Pubs need to adapt to survive.

If pubs had their way we would go back to the awful smoke filled dives that I had to put up with in my youth.

Coming home stinking of nicotine and having to breath in carcinogens all night. You would call that the good old days I suppose.

No, Smoking is a dying habit in more ways than one and the sooner it is irradiated the better. I care about smoky pubs going out of business as I do for the livelihoods of fox hunters. If people want to smoke, then smoke at home. I want to go to a pub garden or train station or football match without having some addict blowing smoke in my face.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Aug 15 8.31pm
Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge. What happened to people's rights? I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway? These rights are part of a free state. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 13 Aug 15 8.31pm

Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge.

What happened to people's rights?

I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway?

These rights are part of a free state.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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TheJudge 13 Aug 15 8.35pm
Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge. What happened to people's rights? I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway? These rights are part of a free state. That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ?
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TheJudge

13 Aug 15 8.35pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm

Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge.

What happened to people's rights?

I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway?

These rights are part of a free state.

That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ?

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Aug 15 8.36pm
Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge. What happened to people's rights? I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway? These rights are part of a free state. That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ? Leftie. It is the right of the individual to smoke and your right to not stand near or go to a pub. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 13 Aug 15 8.36pm

Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm

Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge.

What happened to people's rights?

I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway?

These rights are part of a free state.

That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ?

Leftie. It is the right of the individual to smoke and your right to not stand near or go to a pub.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 13 Aug 15 8.48pm
Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.36pm Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge. What happened to people's rights? I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway? These rights are part of a free state. That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ? Leftie. It is the right of the individual to smoke and your right to not stand near or go to a pub. A simple solution would be smoking & non smoking pubs maybe?
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fed up eagle

Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 13 Aug 15 8.48pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.36pm

Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm

Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge.

What happened to people's rights?

I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway?

These rights are part of a free state.

That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ?

Leftie. It is the right of the individual to smoke and your right to not stand near or go to a pub.

A simple solution would be smoking & non smoking pubs maybe?

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Harry Beever Newbury 13 Aug 15 8.55pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 10.59am Quote so many memories at 13 Aug 2015 10.49am What a load of pony. Anti smoking saying it will influence children in garden to smoke. Why don't you ban drinking beer in the garden while you at it. It's a pub for f*s sake. If want to take kids out GOTO McDonald's What next no crisp's or peanuts in case you influence some large person to get some pork scratchings by the bag load. Also, so what if they might smoke. Fk it, we need the revenue. I agreed with the smoking ban in pubs, because it was backed by scientific evidence of the threat of passive smoking (they should have allowed smoking only pubs mind). People who are annoyed should remember those people smoking and drinking, are paying for their kids education. Also, it a pub, don't take your kids, its really not for them, and there is nothing more tragic than 'family friendly pubs'. You wouldn't take them to a Rave, drop a few E's, so why make them watch you drink. Not a smoker but have no issue with people smoking in beer gardens. Live and let live as long as they're not blowing fumes into anyone's faces. A doctor once told me the revenue generated from tax on fags was not as much as the money the NHS spends on smoking related illness. Find this difficult to believe.
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Harry Beever

Newbury 13 Aug 15 8.55pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 10.59am

Quote so many memories at 13 Aug 2015 10.49am

What a load of pony.
Anti smoking saying it will influence children in garden to smoke.
Why don't you ban drinking beer in the garden while you at it.
It's a pub for f***s sake.
If want to take kids out GOTO McDonald's
What next no crisp's or peanuts in case you influence some large person to get some pork scratchings by the bag load.

Also, so what if they might smoke. F**k it, we need the revenue. I agreed with the smoking ban in pubs, because it was backed by scientific evidence of the threat of passive smoking (they should have allowed smoking only pubs mind).

People who are annoyed should remember those people smoking and drinking, are paying for their kids education.

Also, it a pub, don't take your kids, its really not for them, and there is nothing more tragic than 'family friendly pubs'. You wouldn't take them to a Rave, drop a few E's, so why make them watch you drink.

Not a smoker but have no issue with people smoking in beer gardens. Live and let live as long as they're not blowing fumes into anyone's faces.

A doctor once told me the revenue generated from tax on fags was not as much as the money the NHS spends on smoking related illness. Find this difficult to believe.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Aug 15 8.58pm
Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 8.48pm Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.36pm Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge. What happened to people's rights? I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway? These rights are part of a free state. That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ? Leftie. It is the right of the individual to smoke and your right to not stand near or go to a pub. A simple solution would be smoking & non smoking pubs maybe? I would have been happy with a voluntary arrangement when the brought in the legislation. What next: + Alcohol + fattie or sweet foods + not a perscribed amount of exercise + genetic issues + non vegetarian diet Those who believe you should be allowed to use a mobile phone, eat, read, apply make up while driving are more dangerous to other individuals. Two of the greatest issues facing the human race is caused by this type of medical Stalinism, the implications of longevity, and as much hyped on these boards, over-population. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 13 Aug 15 8.58pm

Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 8.48pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.36pm

Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm

Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge.

What happened to people's rights?

I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway?

These rights are part of a free state.

That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ?

Leftie. It is the right of the individual to smoke and your right to not stand near or go to a pub.

A simple solution would be smoking & non smoking pubs maybe?

I would have been happy with a voluntary arrangement when the brought in the legislation.

What next:

+ Alcohol
+ fattie or sweet foods
+ not a perscribed amount of exercise
+ genetic issues
+ non vegetarian diet

Those who believe you should be allowed to use a mobile phone, eat, read, apply make up while driving are more dangerous to other individuals.

Two of the greatest issues facing the human race is caused by this type of medical Stalinism, the implications of longevity, and as much hyped on these boards, over-population.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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elgrande bedford 13 Aug 15 9.09pm
Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge. What happened to people's rights? I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway? These rights are part of a free state. That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ? Have smoking and none smoking pubs then......Its not rocket science,I had a bar in Spain when this ban came in over there. They did it the right way.If your Bar was under a certain size you could have it either smoking or none smoking. As long as you had signs saying this was a smoking bar then it was legal. Simple really,if you see that it's a smoking bar DON'T GO IN. Just remembered if the bar was 87 square metres or less. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 13 Aug 15 9.09pm

Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm

Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge.

What happened to people's rights?

I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway?

These rights are part of a free state.

That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ?

Have smoking and none smoking pubs then......Its not rocket science,I had a bar in Spain when this ban came in over there.
They did it the right way.If your Bar was under a certain size you could have it either smoking or none smoking.
As long as you had signs saying this was a smoking bar then it was legal.
Simple really,if you see that it's a smoking bar DON'T GO IN.
Just remembered if the bar was 87 square metres or less.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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matt_himself Matataland 13 Aug 15 9.22pm
Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.58pm Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 8.48pm Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.36pm Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge. What happened to people's rights? I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway? These rights are part of a free state. That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ? Leftie. It is the right of the individual to smoke and your right to not stand near or go to a pub. A simple solution would be smoking & non smoking pubs maybe? I would have been happy with a voluntary arrangement when the brought in the legislation. What next: + Alcohol + fattie or sweet foods + not a perscribed amount of exercise + genetic issues + non vegetarian diet Those who believe you should be allowed to use a mobile phone, eat, read, apply make up while driving are more dangerous to other individuals. Two of the greatest issues facing the human race is caused by this type of medical Stalinism, the implications of longevity, and as much hyped on these boards, over-population. quite. Edited by matt_himself (14 Aug 2015 6.24am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 13 Aug 15 9.22pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.58pm

Quote fed up eagle at 13 Aug 2015 8.48pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.36pm

Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm

Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge.

What happened to people's rights?

I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway?

These rights are part of a free state.

That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ?

Leftie. It is the right of the individual to smoke and your right to not stand near or go to a pub.

A simple solution would be smoking & non smoking pubs maybe?

I would have been happy with a voluntary arrangement when the brought in the legislation.

What next:

+ Alcohol
+ fattie or sweet foods
+ not a perscribed amount of exercise
+ genetic issues
+ non vegetarian diet

Those who believe you should be allowed to use a mobile phone, eat, read, apply make up while driving are more dangerous to other individuals.

Two of the greatest issues facing the human race is caused by this type of medical Stalinism, the implications of longevity, and as much hyped on these boards, over-population.

quite.

Edited by matt_himself (14 Aug 2015 6.24am)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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