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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Aug 15 4.20pm
Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 3.06pm I'm not debating legality. It's health issues that concern me. Do you think that smoking would be legal if the treasury didn't make such a large amount of revenue from it ? Do you know how much money the treasury could make of the illegal drugs that are less harmful than tabacco and alcohol. They don't. Smoking is legal because prohibition doesn't work. Didn't work with alcohol in the US, hasn't worked with gambling, didn't work with prostitution and it hasn't worked with drugs. All it does is create black markets and fund criminal enterprises, resulting in more problems than the substance or activity itself. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 3.06pm
I'm not debating legality. It's health issues that concern me.

Do you think that smoking would be legal if the treasury didn't make such a large amount of revenue from it ?

Do you know how much money the treasury could make of the illegal drugs that are less harmful than tabacco and alcohol. They don't. Smoking is legal because prohibition doesn't work. Didn't work with alcohol in the US, hasn't worked with gambling, didn't work with prostitution and it hasn't worked with drugs.

All it does is create black markets and fund criminal enterprises, resulting in more problems than the substance or activity itself.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Aug 15 4.23pm
Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 3.02pm Quote so many memories at 14 Aug 2015 1.28pm The judge. Look what your missing out on. I expect you want outside patio heaters banned due to the overwhelming warmth they give us smokers when outside. Most probably due to extra expense it costs you non smokers to install them. You can call me Judge if you like but please at least use the correct grammar for "you're". Seriously. You can't argue for smoking as a smoker. It is the same as arguing for heroin as a user. Your perspective is skewed by drug addiction. I'm no longer a smoker. Haven't smoked since January. Only vaping for me. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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The judge.
Look what your missing out on.
I expect you want outside patio heaters banned due to the overwhelming warmth they give us smokers when outside.
Most probably due to extra expense it costs you non smokers to install them.

You can call me Judge if you like but please at least use the correct grammar for "you're".

Seriously. You can't argue for smoking as a smoker.

It is the same as arguing for heroin as a user. Your perspective is skewed by drug addiction.

I'm no longer a smoker. Haven't smoked since January. Only vaping for me.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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so many memories basingstoke 14 Aug 15 4.24pm
Thank you jamiemartin721. Bit of sanity at last. Will the judge be behind Arthur stand at half time with the 300+ getting a quick crafty fag in at half time. Get it on-get it in-F**K OFF ALAN HANSEN!!
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Thank you jamiemartin721.
Bit of sanity at last.
Will the judge be behind Arthur stand at half time with the 300+ getting a quick crafty fag in at half time.

Get it on-get it in-F**K OFF ALAN HANSEN!!

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TheJudge 14 Aug 15 5.34pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 4.23pm Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 3.02pm Quote so many memories at 14 Aug 2015 1.28pm The judge. Look what your missing out on. I expect you want outside patio heaters banned due to the overwhelming warmth they give us smokers when outside. Most probably due to extra expense it costs you non smokers to install them. You can call me Judge if you like but please at least use the correct grammar for "you're". Seriously. You can't argue for smoking as a smoker. It is the same as arguing for heroin as a user. Your perspective is skewed by drug addiction. I'm no longer a smoker. Haven't smoked since January. Only vaping for me. Oh just bite the bullet and stop man for heavens sake.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 4.23pm

Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 3.02pm

Quote so many memories at 14 Aug 2015 1.28pm

You can call me Judge if you like but please at least use the correct grammar for "you're".

Seriously. You can't argue for smoking as a smoker.

It is the same as arguing for heroin as a user. Your perspective is skewed by drug addiction.

I'm no longer a smoker. Haven't smoked since January. Only vaping for me.

Oh just bite the bullet and stop man for heavens sake.

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TheJudge 14 Aug 15 5.43pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 4.20pm Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 3.06pm I'm not debating legality. It's health issues that concern me. Do you think that smoking would be legal if the treasury didn't make such a large amount of revenue from it ? Do you know how much money the treasury could make of the illegal drugs that are less harmful than tabacco and alcohol. They don't. Smoking is legal because prohibition doesn't work. Didn't work with alcohol in the US, hasn't worked with gambling, didn't work with prostitution and it hasn't worked with drugs. All it does is create black markets and fund criminal enterprises, resulting in more problems than the substance or activity itself. No. Smoking is legal primarily because a ban would put a massive dent in the treasury income. I don't advocate a complete ban anyway, just a ban in public places. Legalising other street drugs is always a debatable topic but one must think of the social and health issues much the same as smoking. The difference is that other drugs are already illegal and so the question of revenue is not a problem.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 4.20pm

Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 3.06pm
I'm not debating legality. It's health issues that concern me.

Do you think that smoking would be legal if the treasury didn't make such a large amount of revenue from it ?

All it does is create black markets and fund criminal enterprises, resulting in more problems than the substance or activity itself.

No. Smoking is legal primarily because a ban would put a massive dent in the treasury income.

I don't advocate a complete ban anyway, just a ban in public places.

Legalising other street drugs is always a debatable topic but one must think of the social and health issues much the same as smoking. The difference is that other drugs are already illegal and so the question of revenue is not a problem.

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TheJudge 14 Aug 15 5.47pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 1.20pm Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 1.09pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 12.54pm Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 12.25pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 9.43am Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge. What happened to people's rights? I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway? These rights are part of a free state. That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ? Go inside the pub, where you can't smoke? Outside the risk from secondary smoke is minimal. It doesn't matter what a majority want, if their rights essentially result in an exclusion of another groups rights. The majority are catered for. And using the argument that 'its for the kids' is a false basis for an economic defense of the majority, as the economic contribution to pubs of number of people who take kids to pubs compared to people who smoke and drink, is minimal. So I have to alter my behaviour to appease some nicotine addicts ? What a ridiculous argument. There is no justification for smoking whatsoever. THe government only tolerates it because of the revenue it generates. Smoking is a blight on society. You mean the same nicotine addicts who aren't smoking inside, for you rights. Its a reasonable compromise, that smoking in pubs was restricted for health reasons. Smokers have to go outside to lit up, maybe you should met them half way and stay inside if you don't like smokers. There is no justification for drinking either, but you're still in a pub. I would also limit drinking as well. Drunkard behaviour in public is also undesirable. But you go to pubs, which create public drunkenness? Do you consume alcohol in those pubs. Drinking does not equal drunk. Responsible drinking is fine but in Britain, for some reason, many people seem incapable of acting responsibly.
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Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge.

What happened to people's rights?

I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway?

These rights are part of a free state.

That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ?

Go inside the pub, where you can't smoke? Outside the risk from secondary smoke is minimal. It doesn't matter what a majority want, if their rights essentially result in an exclusion of another groups rights. The majority are catered for.

And using the argument that 'its for the kids' is a false basis for an economic defense of the majority, as the economic contribution to pubs of number of people who take kids to pubs compared to people who smoke and drink, is minimal.

So I have to alter my behaviour to appease some nicotine addicts ?
What a ridiculous argument. There is no justification for smoking whatsoever. THe government only tolerates it because of the revenue it generates.

Smoking is a blight on society.

You mean the same nicotine addicts who aren't smoking inside, for you rights. Its a reasonable compromise, that smoking in pubs was restricted for health reasons. Smokers have to go outside to lit up, maybe you should met them half way and stay inside if you don't like smokers.

There is no justification for drinking either, but you're still in a pub.

I would also limit drinking as well. Drunkard behaviour in public is also undesirable.

But you go to pubs, which create public drunkenness? Do you consume alcohol in those pubs.

Drinking does not equal drunk. Responsible drinking is fine but in Britain, for some reason, many people seem incapable of acting responsibly.

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so many memories basingstoke 14 Aug 15 5.49pm
Explain public places. When I'm on walk in countryside, street, waiting at bus stop,(uncovered). f* me the local council has put no smoking signs up in underpasses. Get it on-get it in-FK OFF ALAN HANSEN!!
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basingstoke 14 Aug 15 5.49pm

Explain public places.
When I'm on walk in countryside, street, waiting at bus stop,(uncovered). f*** me the local council has put no smoking signs up in underpasses.

Get it on-get it in-F**K OFF ALAN HANSEN!!

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so many memories basingstoke 14 Aug 15 5.53pm
Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 5.47pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 1.20pm Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 1.09pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 12.54pm Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 12.25pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 9.43am Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge. What happened to people's rights? I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway? These rights are part of a free state. That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ? Go inside the pub, where you can't smoke? Outside the risk from secondary smoke is minimal. It doesn't matter what a majority want, if their rights essentially result in an exclusion of another groups rights. The majority are catered for. And using the argument that 'its for the kids' is a false basis for an economic defense of the majority, as the economic contribution to pubs of number of people who take kids to pubs compared to people who smoke and drink, is minimal. So I have to alter my behaviour to appease some nicotine addicts ? What a ridiculous argument. There is no justification for smoking whatsoever. THe government only tolerates it because of the revenue it generates. Smoking is a blight on society. You mean the same nicotine addicts who aren't smoking inside, for you rights. Its a reasonable compromise, that smoking in pubs was restricted for health reasons. Smokers have to go outside to lit up, maybe you should met them half way and stay inside if you don't like smokers. There is no justification for drinking either, but you're still in a pub. I would also limit drinking as well. Drunkard behaviour in public is also undesirable. But you go to pubs, which create public drunkenness? Do you consume alcohol in those pubs. Drinking does not equal drunk. Responsible drinking is fine but in Britain, for some reason, many people seem incapable of acting responsibly. May have something to do with so many people telling us what we can or can't do. Get it on-get it in-F**K OFF ALAN HANSEN!!
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Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 5.47pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 1.20pm

Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 1.09pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 12.54pm

Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 12.25pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 Aug 2015 9.43am

Quote TheJudge at 13 Aug 2015 8.35pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Aug 2015 8.31pm

Nanny state gaawwwnn mad. Thin end of a mighty wedge.

What happened to people's rights?

I still believe that it should be up to the Landlord whether or not it should be a smoking pub (inside or out). Who let kids into pubs anyway?

These rights are part of a free state.

That argument does not stand up. The majority don't smoke. What about their rights ?

Smoking is a blight on society.

There is no justification for drinking either, but you're still in a pub.

I would also limit drinking as well. Drunkard behaviour in public is also undesirable.

But you go to pubs, which create public drunkenness? Do you consume alcohol in those pubs.

Drinking does not equal drunk. Responsible drinking is fine but in Britain, for some reason, many people seem incapable of acting responsibly.

May have something to do with so many people telling us what we can or can't do.

Get it on-get it in-F**K OFF ALAN HANSEN!!

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Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 5.43pm No. Smoking is legal primarily because a ban would put a massive dent in the treasury income. I don't advocate a complete ban anyway, just a ban in public places. Legalising other street drugs is always a debatable topic but one must think of the social and health issues much the same as smoking. The difference is that other drugs are already illegal and so the question of revenue is not a problem. Ecstasy and cannabis have been proven to be pretty much non-harmful. Would raise silly amounts of revenue for the taxpayer if they legalised, taxed and sold. Won't happen though, too politically difficult. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 5.43pm

No. Smoking is legal primarily because a ban would put a massive dent in the treasury income.

I don't advocate a complete ban anyway, just a ban in public places.

Ecstasy and cannabis have been proven to be pretty much non-harmful. Would raise silly amounts of revenue for the taxpayer if they legalised, taxed and sold. Won't happen though, too politically difficult.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheJudge 14 Aug 15 7.15pm
Quote We are goin up! at 14 Aug 2015 5.53pm Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 5.43pm No. Smoking is legal primarily because a ban would put a massive dent in the treasury income. I don't advocate a complete ban anyway, just a ban in public places. Legalising other street drugs is always a debatable topic but one must think of the social and health issues much the same as smoking. The difference is that other drugs are already illegal and so the question of revenue is not a problem. Ecstasy and cannabis have been proven to be pretty much non-harmful. Would raise silly amounts of revenue for the taxpayer if they legalised, taxed and sold. Won't happen though, too politically difficult. No they haven't. Edited by TheJudge (14 Aug 2015 7.16pm)
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Quote TheJudge at 14 Aug 2015 5.43pm

No. Smoking is legal primarily because a ban would put a massive dent in the treasury income.

I don't advocate a complete ban anyway, just a ban in public places.

Ecstasy and cannabis have been proven to be pretty much non-harmful. Would raise silly amounts of revenue for the taxpayer if they legalised, taxed and sold. Won't happen though, too politically difficult.

No they haven't.

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I think The Daily Mash have summed it up quite well... [Link] We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...
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I think The Daily Mash have summed it up quite well...

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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TheJudge 15 Aug 15 10.04am
A very silly article. Firstly, it assumes that everyone is like the person commenting, which they are not. In fact the vast majority don't smoke or want to be anywhere near someone who does. Secondly, anyone who wants to spend that much time in a pub needs to get a life. As far as eating a big pub lunch is concerned. Unlike nicotine and all the other carcinogens related to cigarettes,there is no evidence that enjoying a fatty, high calorie meal occasionally is bad for you. It's when you do it most days that it is likely to become a problem. Why do some people want to take the wingeing of an addict seriously ? Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.05am)
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15 Aug 15 10.04am

A very silly article.

Firstly, it assumes that everyone is like the person commenting, which they are not. In fact the vast majority don't smoke or want to be anywhere near someone who does.
Secondly, anyone who wants to spend that much time in a pub needs to get a life.
As far as eating a big pub lunch is concerned. Unlike nicotine and all the other carcinogens related to cigarettes,there is no evidence that enjoying a fatty, high calorie meal occasionally is bad for you. It's when you do it most days that it is likely to become a problem.

Why do some people want to take the wingeing of an addict seriously ?

Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.05am)

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