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legaleagle 07 Sep 15 10.45pm
Postcard to Matthew: The someone hurt on 7/7 I know would I think (knowing her) say there is no contradiction whatsoever between fighting domestic terrorism and its causes firmly and within the law as we do (ie by seeking parliamentary approval of new anti-terrorist legislation),and seeking parliamentary approval before upping levels of military engagement overseas.
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07 Sep 15 10.45pm

Postcard to Matthew:

The someone hurt on 7/7 I know would I think (knowing her) say there is no contradiction whatsoever between fighting domestic terrorism and its causes firmly and within the law as we do (ie by seeking parliamentary approval of new anti-terrorist legislation),and seeking parliamentary approval before upping levels of military engagement overseas.

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matt_himself Matataland 08 Sep 15 5.38am
Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.45pm Postcard to Matthew: The someone hurt on 7/7 I know would I think (knowing her) say there is no contradiction whatsoever between fighting domestic terrorism and its causes firmly and within the law as we do (ie by seeking parliamentary approval of new anti-terrorist legislation),and seeking parliamentary approval before upping levels of military engagement overseas. I am sure that above is what most people caught up in terrorism think. They definitely consider the need for 'parliamentary approval before upping levels of military engagement overseas' ahead of anything else. Definitely... "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 08 Sep 15 5.38am

Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.45pm

Postcard to Matthew:

I am sure that above is what most people caught up in terrorism think. They definitely consider the need for 'parliamentary approval before upping levels of military engagement overseas' ahead of anything else.

Definitely...

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Sep 15 6.39am
Is it not a bit strange that both the Telegraph and sun both reported the death by drone of Khan back in July, yet Dave said it happened in August? Edited by nickgusset (08 Sep 2015 6.41am) Attachment: IMG_20150908_064033.jpg (296.00Kb)
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Shizzlehurst 08 Sep 15 6.39am

Is it not a bit strange that both the Telegraph and sun both reported the death by drone of Khan back in July, yet Dave said it happened in August?

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BelfastEagle 08 Sep 15 6.54am
Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way? Hang on Mr Terrorist I know your about to behead people but we need to have a vote before we decide what to do....would you mind stopping for a few days until this can be decided ?
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08 Sep 15 6.54am

Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm

Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way?

Hang on Mr Terrorist I know your about to behead people but we need to have a vote before we decide what to do....would you mind stopping for a few days until this can be decided ?

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chris123 hove actually 08 Sep 15 7.07am
Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.10pm Quote matt_himself at 07 Sep 2015 8.07pm Quote pefwin at 07 Sep 2015 7.08pm Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria. I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier? There is, according to the elected government, substantial reason to suspect that two people who chose to leave Britain, be trained in ISIS camps and have gain conflict experience, were planning terrorist acts in the UK. Given this situation, I fully support the government. Or is several hundred killed in tube bomb better because 'parliament hasn't been defied'? Ask the families of the 7/7 victims for their opinion. Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2015 8.08pm) Living in a paliamentary democracy (for all its faults) is precisely IMHO one of the important things that distinguishes us from people like ISIS.If its a good idea to have drone attacks,what's such a bad idea about going to Parliament to endorse it? Or is it a further nail in the coffin of the notion of parliament having a meaningful place in the governance of the country?Next time, it might be a government you disagree with doing something you disagree with without parlimentary endorsement. I'm not putting a view forward about rights and wrongs of using drones in Syria/Iraq. Parliamentary democracy means you are accountable to Parliament, not you have to get its ok before you do anything.
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hove actually 08 Sep 15 7.07am

Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.10pm

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Quote pefwin at 07 Sep 2015 7.08pm

Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria.

I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier?

There is, according to the elected government, substantial reason to suspect that two people who chose to leave Britain, be trained in ISIS camps and have gain conflict experience, were planning terrorist acts in the UK.

Given this situation, I fully support the government.

Or is several hundred killed in tube bomb better because 'parliament hasn't been defied'? Ask the families of the 7/7 victims for their opinion.

Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2015 8.08pm)

Living in a paliamentary democracy (for all its faults) is precisely IMHO one of the important things that distinguishes us from people like ISIS.If its a good idea to have drone attacks,what's such a bad idea about going to Parliament to endorse it? Or is it a further nail in the coffin of the notion of parliament having a meaningful place in the governance of the country?Next time, it might be a government you disagree with doing something you disagree with without parlimentary endorsement.

I'm not putting a view forward about rights and wrongs of using drones in Syria/Iraq.

Parliamentary democracy means you are accountable to Parliament, not you have to get its ok before you do anything.

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Catfish Burgess Hill 08 Sep 15 7.31am
Provided neither of them was called Cecil i think Cameron will get away with it. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Burgess Hill 08 Sep 15 7.31am

Provided neither of them was called Cecil i think Cameron will get away with it.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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leggedstruggle Croydon 08 Sep 15 8.13am
I see Corbyn and the acting Labour leader are becoming all indignant about two Islamic terrorists being killed whereas they should be congratulating the government. Also of course the BBC are busy broadcasting the 'distrust' of the 'communities' where the two IS enemies of the UK lived during their sourjourn in Britain. Still it might stem the BBC's 24 hour output of 'we must take every refugee there is' programming. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 08 Sep 15 8.13am

I see Corbyn and the acting Labour leader are becoming all indignant about two Islamic terrorists being killed whereas they should be congratulating the government. Also of course the BBC are busy broadcasting the 'distrust' of the 'communities' where the two IS enemies of the UK lived during their sourjourn in Britain. Still it might stem the BBC's 24 hour output of 'we must take every refugee there is' programming.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 08 Sep 15 8.20am
I'm glad that a couple of IS tourists from the UK have been killed. It would be a good idea for HM government to get Intel on a few more and deal with them in the same manner. Having gone through due process first. I am amazed by the number of people who seem only too happy to support undemocratic process in the name of "National Security". Get the democratic arrangements made and take a few more out please, Dave. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 08 Sep 15 8.20am

I'm glad that a couple of IS tourists from the UK have been killed. It would be a good idea for HM government to get Intel on a few more and deal with them in the same manner.

Having gone through due process first.

I am amazed by the number of people who seem only too happy to support undemocratic process in the name of "National Security".

Get the democratic arrangements made and take a few more out please, Dave.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Pawson Palace Croydon 08 Sep 15 8.29am
BREAKING: Two "warriors" got their wish and met their virgins. [Link] Pride of South London Upper Holmesdale Block P
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BREAKING: Two "warriors" got their wish and met their virgins.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 08 Sep 15 8.46am
Two dead terrorists. Bonus. Shame they couldnt have got more. Does it matter how you get there if the end result is right in this case? I'd say no it does not.
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Deal or Croydon 08 Sep 15 8.46am

Two dead terrorists. Bonus. Shame they couldnt have got more. Does it matter how you get there if the end result is right in this case? I'd say no it does not.

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 08 Sep 15 8.47am
I'm pretty sure the majority of the country couldn't give a flying f*ck whether he consulted parliament on this. If they're dangerous to our country it's the PM's (very difficult) decision to deal with them. He hasn't done a Blair, Iraq was completely different where complete lies were forced down Parliament's throat to make them vote in favour of military action. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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I'm pretty sure the majority of the country couldn't give a flying f*ck whether he consulted parliament on this. If they're dangerous to our country it's the PM's (very difficult) decision to deal with them. He hasn't done a Blair, Iraq was completely different where complete lies were forced down Parliament's throat to make them vote in favour of military action.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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legaleagle 08 Sep 15 8.51am
Quote nickgusset at 08 Sep 2015 6.39am Is it not a bit strange that both the Telegraph and sun both reported the death by drone of Khan back in July, yet Dave said it happened in August? Edited by nickgusset (08 Sep 2015 6.41am) Interesting. [Link] Would be interesting too to see the Attorney General's legal advice,which appears to have been given after the event and which they have said they won't disclose. Edited by legaleagle (08 Sep 2015 8.57am)
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08 Sep 15 8.51am

Quote nickgusset at 08 Sep 2015 6.39am

Is it not a bit strange that both the Telegraph and sun both reported the death by drone of Khan back in July, yet Dave said it happened in August?

Edited by nickgusset (08 Sep 2015 6.41am)

Interesting.

[Link]

Would be interesting too to see the Attorney General's legal advice,which appears to have been given after the event and which they have said they won't disclose.

Edited by legaleagle (08 Sep 2015 8.57am)

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