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Hoof Hearted 02 Oct 15 11.00am

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I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.

I do listen to counter arguments. I just don't agree with them. But at least I take the time to read them.


I agree with npn's summing up above and rather suspect that is a view held by many people that voted Conservative last May.

You can publish as many pro left Blogs as you like, but it won't change the facts nick.

What in your opinion are the facts?


FFS I told you to read npn's summing up.

Do you teach your kids like this?

Getting them to rewrite passages from their text books?

 
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Hoof Hearted 02 Oct 15 11.02am

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I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Which parts of the piece are incorrect?


Take your pick:

It doesn't really SAY anything - just "establishment bad"

There's a threatened UK military coup (seriously?) threatened, of course, by an unnamed military general

"Jeremy Corbyn looks like the first senior politician who will not be corrupted by the establishment" - how can you possibly say that and expect to be taken seriously? Like you can look at a politician and decide that everyone else in the establishment has been corrupted, but this one won't be (because he wears socks with his sandals?)

"The establishment do not want democracy at all but a veneer of democracy must be provided." - means nothing, just this bloke's opinion, based on nothing but an inherent mistrust of "the establishment"

"So frightened of Corbyn, the establishment is now mobilising their entire resourcefullness at him" - of course the media never has a go at any other politicians, only Corbyn, and it's clearly because they're scared.

It's frankly laughable (and that's from a brief skim read)


EXACTLY what I thought it would say.... glad I didn't even bother to skim it....

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Oct 15 11.04am

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Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.

I do listen to counter arguments. I just don't agree with them. But at least I take the time to read them.


I agree with npn's summing up above and rather suspect that is a view held by many people that voted Conservative last May.

You can publish as many pro left Blogs as you like, but it won't change the facts nick.

What in your opinion are the facts?


FFS I told you to read npn's summing up.

Do you teach your kids like this?

Getting them to rewrite passages from their text books?


NPN didn't sum up the article in the post you mentioned.

 
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Hoof Hearted 02 Oct 15 11.04am

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Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.11am

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Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.


Superb display of a shocking lack of self-awareness. Played mate.


Aaah it's Friday morning and time for young Daniel to get a bit playful before his lunchtime ale.

 
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Hoof Hearted 02 Oct 15 11.10am

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Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.

I do listen to counter arguments. I just don't agree with them. But at least I take the time to read them.


I agree with npn's summing up above and rather suspect that is a view held by many people that voted Conservative last May.

You can publish as many pro left Blogs as you like, but it won't change the facts nick.

What in your opinion are the facts?


FFS I told you to read npn's summing up.

Do you teach your kids like this?

Getting them to rewrite passages from their text books?


NPN didn't sum up the article in the post you mentioned.

You are hard work... I said I agreed with his summing up.... not the summing up of the article, but as you can see, he now has summed up the article rather unfavourably and I'm glad to see that I didn't waste my precious time going over it.

Reading pro left blogs is like listening to Russell Brand ........ very predictable.

Finito.

 
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I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.

I do listen to counter arguments. I just don't agree with them. But at least I take the time to read them.


I agree with npn's summing up above and rather suspect that is a view held by many people that voted Conservative last May.

You can publish as many pro left Blogs as you like, but it won't change the facts nick.

What in your opinion are the facts?


FFS I told you to read npn's summing up.

Do you teach your kids like this?

Getting them to rewrite passages from their text books?


NPN didn't sum up the article in the post you mentioned.

Aren't you supposed to be teaching??

 

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Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.

I do listen to counter arguments. I just don't agree with them. But at least I take the time to read them.


I agree with npn's summing up above and rather suspect that is a view held by many people that voted Conservative last May.

You can publish as many pro left Blogs as you like, but it won't change the facts nick.

What in your opinion are the facts?


FFS I told you to read npn's summing up.

Do you teach your kids like this?

Getting them to rewrite passages from their text books?


NPN didn't sum up the article in the post you mentioned.

Aren't you supposed to be teaching??

Yes, but have the lurgy.
What's it got to do with you anyway?

 
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I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.


Superb display of a shocking lack of self-awareness. Played mate.


Aaah it's Friday morning and time for young Daniel to get a bit playful before his lunchtime ale.


I was actually just thinking about a pub lunch. Will have one for you Hoofy

 
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I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Have you got a link to Readers Digest?

The press get at everybody nick.... last week it was Cameron..... before that Farage, Rifkind, Straw.... Blindcnut.


Did you read the link?


It's a left wing opinion piece - you might as well ask if you've read the BNP literature when talking about immigration


Of course I didn't read it, for the reasons you've just stated.

Anyway.... I don't like reading fiction in the mornings!

Then your arguments against it are null and void.


In the same way that your arguments are null and void when Farage et al is attacked by the media and you won't listen to counter arguments.


Superb display of a shocking lack of self-awareness. Played mate.


Aaah it's Friday morning and time for young Daniel to get a bit playful before his lunchtime ale.


I was actually just thinking about a pub lunch. Will have one for you Hoofy


You enjoy yourself my young apprentice.

This Diabetes/Parkinson's sh1t has meant that it's been a long long time since I had a nice frothing lunchtime ale.

In the 70's I worked at L&G in Kingswood, Surrey and looked forward to imbibing a brace or two of Youngs Special and a ploughmans on a Friday.

Now it's a glass of reduced sugar squash and a bowl of Special K on the menu.....

 
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Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

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Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


The Sun maybe for stupid people as you put it BUT the paper always get the most readers and predictions right when it comes down to voting!!!

 

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Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 9.29am

Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Interesting Nick but I went further than your highlighted link and found out by researching Truepublica and found the following quote on their site:
"The website attracted writers from The Independent Newspaper and policy writers from the labour party"

 

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Quote susmik at 02 Oct 2015 11.50am

Quote nickgusset at 02 Oct 2015 10.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 02 Oct 2015 9.29am

Quote Bert the Head at 01 Oct 2015 9.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.


Well they formed the welfare state after capitalism failed and we were exhausted after war. A lot of the values behind the policies are still around.

You can't seriously believe the neo-liberal policies are really working and the economy is doing well.

Massive consumer debt after a world crisis based on bad debt and interest rates unsustainable low; the economy going low wage, research and development budgets on floor as shareholder demand quick win cash; housing policy in a complete mess with the state having to subsidize rocket high rents as the rent to buy market is the best way of making money because of low interest that dare not rise. The slowest recovery in history and the (right wing) government having to legislate a slow wage increase because private companies are too greedy to offer a fair days pay for a fair days work.

The Daily Mail, the Telegraph (The Sun doesn't count as its for really stupid people) might big up the economic situation up but they are so bias as to be nothing more than the advertising agency for the Tory Party. Frankly I'd trust Chemie Grünenthal to sell my wife something to ease morning sickness more than I'd trust those liars to tell me how the economy was going.

I think the young arn't as gullible as the old are short sighted to be honest.

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.41pm)

Edited by Bert the Head (01 Oct 2015 9.43pm)


Here you go again with your ridiculous accusations that all of us are guided by the Tory press.

Change the frigging record Bertram!


[Link]

Read and digest.


Interesting Nick but I went further than your highlighted link and found out by researching Truepublica and found the following quote on their site:
"The website attracted writers from The Independent Newspaper and policy writers from the labour party"


and...

 
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