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This made my blood boil. That poor couple.

 

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This made my blood boil. That poor couple.


Bizarre that the adoption process was rushed through without awaiting the verdict. Also very strange nobody thought to check the obvious, that the child could have an underlying medical problem.

There must be more to this surely. Social Services hate taking children away from their natural parents.

 

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Quote oldcodger at 09 Oct 2015 6.01pm


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This made my blood boil. That poor couple.


Bizarre that the adoption process was rushed through without awaiting the verdict. Also very strange nobody thought to check the obvious, that the child could have an underlying medical problem.

There must be more to this surely. Social Services hate taking children away from their natural parents.


[Link] It's getting more coverage now. I think the government push for more adoptions to take place for kids in care combined with the length of time it took to figure out what the cause was led to this happening. It's pretty disgusting though if you ask me and has happened before. From the Daily Mail article -

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Hodson, an expert in care and adoption cases and partner at legal firm Stephensons, said the chances of overturning an adoption was 'almost impossible'.

He told MailOnline that Ms Cox and Mr Carter's best hope would be through the Court of Appeal, on the basis that the adoption order should be overturned because new evidence had come to light.

But Mr Hodson said he would expect judges at the Court of Appeal to refer to a precedent set in 2009, relating to a similar case.

The court ruled that even though Norfolk couple Mark and Nicky Webster had been wrongly accused of abuse, leading to their three eldest children being taken into care and adopted, it was not in the children's best interests to reverse the order.

Mr Hodson said: 'It would seem this is one of those terrible situations where they [the Court of Appeal] is not going to reverse the order.

'In almost all cases adoption is final because as far as the law is concerned the adoptive parents are the child's legal guardians and the birth parents have no legal rights with the child at all.'

If the Court of Appeal refused to overturn the order there would be the opportunity for Ms Cox and Mr Carter to take their case to the Supreme Court and ultimately the European Court of Human Rights, Mr Hodson said, but he stressed that the latter in particular was unlikely to rule in the couple's favour.


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Oct 15 8.21pm

Absolute tragedy.
Bloke on radio 4 the other day that some doctors can sometimes be too keen to say abuse. He did concede that high profile cases of abuse make them extra cautious.
Damned if they do...

 

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Quote nickgusset at 09 Oct 2015 8.21pm

Absolute tragedy.
Bloke on radio 4 the other day that some doctors can sometimes be too keen to say abuse. He did concede that high profile cases of abuse make them extra cautious.
Damned if they do...


Yes, I can understand care in the short term where abuse is suspected, but with this case whoever gave the go ahead to adoption basically decided that the parents of this child would never see their child again.

 

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Understand the original bruising etc on baby now considered possibly the result of a medical condition.
If that true then no doubt the same bruising etc., will have now occurred on the baby while with the adopted parents. Simple check would prove whether the original decision was correct - or not.
Seems obvious to me!

 

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Quote rob1969 at 09 Oct 2015 8.38pm

Understand the original bruising etc on baby now considered possibly the result of a medical condition.
If that true then no doubt the same bruising etc., will have now occurred on the baby while with the adopted parents. Simple check would prove whether the original decision was correct - or not.
Seems obvious to me!


It's been proved the child's original injuries were not the parents' fault.

The question is what's best for the child, now it's been adopted. The right to grow up with its biological parents or the stability of the family it's now in?

It's a toughie.

 


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Quote Seth at 10 Oct 2015 1.04am

It's been proved the child's original injuries were not the parents' fault.

The question is what's best for the child, now it's been adopted. The right to grow up with its biological parents or the stability of the family it's now in?

It's a toughie.


The genetic link between child and parents far exceeds adoptive parents if you have a safe choice between the two.

Adoption is important but it isn't the same as the fifty percent linkage a parent has with their child.

With no violence or threat to a child it really needs to be with its parents.

This case is horrendous and unforgivable.

 


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Quote Seth at 10 Oct 2015 1.04am

It's been proved the child's original injuries were not the parents' fault.

The question is what's best for the child, now it's been adopted. The right to grow up with its biological parents or the stability of the family it's now in?

It's a toughie.


The genetic link between child and parents far exceeds adoptive parents if you have a safe choice between the two.

Adoption is important but it isn't the same as the fifty percent linkage a parent has with their child.

With no violence or threat to a child it really needs to be with its parents.

This case is horrendous and unforgivable.


Also there is the fact that the parents had supervised access to the child up until it was adopted last year, so it's not as if it would be a total disruption for the child, with it being taken from the adoptive home and 'given' to strangers as it does 'know' it's own parents. However, any change would have to be made quickly before it was estranged for too long.

 


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Quote becky at 10 Oct 2015 7.40am

Quote Stirlingsays at 10 Oct 2015 3.12am

Quote Seth at 10 Oct 2015 1.04am

It's been proved the child's original injuries were not the parents' fault.

The question is what's best for the child, now it's been adopted. The right to grow up with its biological parents or the stability of the family it's now in?

It's a toughie.


The genetic link between child and parents far exceeds adoptive parents if you have a safe choice between the two.

Adoption is important but it isn't the same as the fifty percent linkage a parent has with their child.

With no violence or threat to a child it really needs to be with its parents.

This case is horrendous and unforgivable.


Also there is the fact that the parents had supervised access to the child up until it was adopted last year, so it's not as if it would be a total disruption for the child, with it being taken from the adoptive home and 'given' to strangers as it does 'know' it's own parents. However, any change would have to be made quickly before it was estranged for too long.

I agree. The parents should get their child back, and quickly. Problem is these things can take time and the longer it goes on the more disruption there will be to the child.

Reminds me of a case where babies were accidentally swapped in hospital, and grew up with the "wrong" parents. They were in their teens (IIRC) when the mistake was discovered, meaning no easy outcome whatever happened.


 


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Quote Seth at 10 Oct 2015 12.09pm

I agree. The parents should get their child back, and quickly. Problem is these things can take time and the longer it goes on the more disruption there will be to the child.

Reminds me of a case where babies were accidentally swapped in hospital, and grew up with the "wrong" parents. They were in their teens (IIRC) when the mistake was discovered, meaning no easy outcome whatever happened.


I agree, the longer the worse for all concerned. The adoptive parents are also victims in this.

This an example of a law that's been drawn up too hastily. This possibility should really have been picked up and accounted for and exceptions made for these situations.

This can't be allowed to stand.

 


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Hoof Hearted 10 Oct 15 12.16pm

No brainer...... return child to actual parents immediately.

They have done no wrong, and do not deserve to be kept from their child.

 

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