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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Oct 15 4.52pm

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Quote DanH at 12 Oct 2015 11.26am

Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am

Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am

Surprised there isn't a thread on this already.

Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions.

I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge.

Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ?

It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.

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Edited by dannyh (12 Oct 2015 11.00am)


Pretty sure you were hypothesising that the fire on the BA jet a few weeks ago was some sort of terrorist foul play before anything was known Daniel.

When one group are muslims and the other aren't it defaults to 'muslims are to blame'. That's the only acceptable kind of conspiracy now I'm afraid! . Before anyone criticises this post is 'tongue in cheek'.

Can't really blame the Muslims though, most of the victims were Muslims (around 80% of Kurds are Muslim).


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Oct 2015 4.52pm

Quote oldcodger at 12 Oct 2015 4.19pm

Quote DanH at 12 Oct 2015 11.26am

Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am

Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am

Surprised there isn't a thread on this already.

Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions.

I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge.

Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ?

It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.

[Link]


Edited by dannyh (12 Oct 2015 11.00am)


Pretty sure you were hypothesising that the fire on the BA jet a few weeks ago was some sort of terrorist foul play before anything was known Daniel.

When one group are muslims and the other aren't it defaults to 'muslims are to blame'. That's the only acceptable kind of conspiracy now I'm afraid! . Before anyone criticises this post is 'tongue in cheek'.

Can't really blame the Muslims though, most of the victims were Muslims (around 80% of Kurds are Muslim).


I was being sarcastic about the BA situation and how people are fine with conspiracies as long as it's a muslims they're implicating.

As for this horrendous situation I really don't know who is to blame right now. I wouldn't rule any group out.

 

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Quote Great Northern Loony at 12 Oct 2015 12.00pm

Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am

Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am

Surprised there isn't a thread on this already.

Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions.

I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge.

Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ?

It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.

[Link]


Edited by dannyh (12 Oct 2015 11.00am)

Here now. He didn't directly accuse the Turkish government of being complicit in the attack; he said he'd talked to a number of Turks who were prepared to place responsibility for it -- or even outright complicity -- into the lap of the AKP government, and there is ample evidence that the Turkish opposition is saying exactly that.

This article has some of the most inflammatory stuff:

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"At the scene of the blast, the shock turned to anger against the government, which was accused by some of having played a role in the attack. Demonstrators assaulted a police car, while police officers shot in the air to disperse an angry crowd. Several government ministers who visited the scene had to beat a hasty retreat after being booed and pelted with water bottles".

and,

"HDP leader Selahattin Demirtas called the Ankara murders a 'massacre' and an 'attack by our state on our people.' He added President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu need not bother to call him to express their condolence, because he would refuse to talk to them".

and,

"Lutfu Turkkan, a right-wing lawmaker in parliament, said the spotlight was on Turkey’s main intelligence agency MIT. The Ankara attack 'was either a failure by the intelligence service, or it was done by the intelligence service,' he wrote on Twitter".

I, for one, don't find it surprising at all that voices in the Turkish opposition would feel this way about the attack, considering how divisive Erdogan and his government are in that country. I would be a bit surprised to discover actual government complicity in it, but I don't believe it's beyond the pale, and clearly neither do a lot of Turks.


This.

 


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Yesterday, Turkish military planes bombed key targets of the PKK, despite the latter group officially announcing a ceasefire until the elections to make sure that they occur smoothly and fairly.

There are two serious questions I believe the AKP have to answer here:

1. Why has Erdogan officially accused certain groups of committing the attacks before the official autopsies of the suicide bombers has been concluded? First he blamed far-left militants, Kurds or IS, now he's narrowed it down to IS. What grounds does he have to make this claim?

2. If he is blaming IS, why do we have a retaliatory attack on the PKK less than 48 hours after the bombings in Ankara?

We have to bear in mind the context when we consider these points. The AKP are 3 weeks away from an election where they want to a) reassume the parliamentary majority they lost in the previous election, and b) prevent the Kurdish HDP from getting above the 10% threshold as they did in June. Again, from chatting to several Turks (read again if you have to), there is a sense that the only way in which they can do both of these is to demonise the Kurds, preferably by bringing them back in to armed conflict with the state and thus making Erdogan seem powerful and the man who can protect Turkish national security.

 


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And there are people who think that this lot should be in the EU.

 


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And there are people who think that this lot should be in the EU.


Great kebabs though.

 

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And there are people who think that this lot should be in the EU.


Great kebabs though.


If you like eating sh*t, I guess.

 


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And there are people who think that this lot should be in the EU.


Great kebabs though.


If you like eating sh*t, I guess.


kebab snob

 


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Quote serial thriller at 12 Oct 2015 5.50pm

Yesterday, Turkish military planes bombed key targets of the PKK, despite the latter group officially announcing a ceasefire until the elections to make sure that they occur smoothly and fairly.

There are two serious questions I believe the AKP have to answer here:

1. Why has Erdogan officially accused certain groups of committing the attacks before the official autopsies of the suicide bombers has been concluded? First he blamed far-left militants, Kurds or IS, now he's narrowed it down to IS. What grounds does he have to make this claim?

2. If he is blaming IS, why do we have a retaliatory attack on the PKK less than 48 hours after the bombings in Ankara?

We have to bear in mind the context when we consider these points. The AKP are 3 weeks away from an election where they want to a) reassume the parliamentary majority they lost in the previous election, and b) prevent the Kurdish HDP from getting above the 10% threshold as they did in June. Again, from chatting to several Turks (read again if you have to), there is a sense that the only way in which they can do both of these is to demonise the Kurds, preferably by bringing them back in to armed conflict with the state and thus making Erdogan seem powerful and the man who can protect Turkish national security.


I'm keeping an open mind about it, but let's not forget that they were already caught planning a false flag attack in Turkey before. In fact that's when Erdogan decided to ban YouTube: [Link]

Most have a mental disconnect where they know that politicians aren't trustyworthy and need to get involved in dirty work to maintain their interests and stay in power, but at the same time they believe anything publically stated by them.

 

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And there are people who think that this lot should be in the EU.


Great kebabs though.


If you like eating sh*t, I guess.


kebab snob

F*ckin' elephant's foot, innit. Do people ever eat them when sober?

 


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guilty as charged

 


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