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How is protesting in order to make your country what you believe to be a better place being anti your country? You might be wrong in terms of what you believe will make it better, but protest is almost the definition of patriotism since it demonstrates that you are committed enough to improving things to stand up and be counted. If anyone is anti-British (in this case) it's those who meekly accept the status quo and therefore contribute nothing (or little) to society. Corbyn, simply by dint of being a party leader, cannot be anti British. Nor can the leaders of any party, whether I agree with their ideology or not.


Protesting is one thing, spitting and planting eggs on peoples heads is quite another. And I wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn actually likes our country and our traditions.

Not sure he was actually spitting or throwing the eggs. What are these traditions that are ours, and what do you mean by 'likes our country'? I like the view of the New Forrest as Autumn claims the trees and the smell of salt on the air along the British coasts, but I don't like our political system which essentially is a biased two horse race that both winners manipulate to improve their chances - Am I still British?


Clearly not if your spelling is anything to go by!

Touche, although I think it sums up our wonderful comprehensive education system.


Ok JM, and that wonderful British capacity for taking complete responsibility for oneself.

That is so not a British trait, only the working class ever blame themselves. The other classes generally blame the working classes, unless they're racist.

The audacity of the middle classes and upper working classes, criticizing the work ethic of people who actually do physical labour based work, is a corner stone of British tradition.

Inherited by those who work in offices, who'll complain about people having 'shorter days', but failing to acknowledge that these people do a lot more than sit in meetings, send emails and type on keyboards.


Hey, working in an office is still working, I'm not sure working class has much meaning anymore. We all work, pay tax and then die.

 

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This accusation was most notably thrown at Corbyn last week and and the defence from the left is usually that tolerance etc are actually British traits to be proud of.

Today I read something about the Black Power salute at the Mexico Olympics suggesting that the white Australian silver medalist suffered, as do people to this day in both countries as a result of 'racism imposed by British rule'.

Is that fair or are there quite a few self loathing Brits in that same way that there's trust fund guilt?

I find this awful Great Britain a bit paradoxical but wonder if it's just been bad since Cameron?

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I honestly don't understand your post, it needs sub titles for the hard of understanding


Read this several times - but ?

The Aussie who was on the podium with those guys wore an Olympic Project for Human Rights badge and also opted not to sing his national anthem and faced a backlash from the Australian Olympic Committee.

The quote you highlight was from some idiot on Facebook and I don't get it either. It just struck me as anti-British to blame us for the situation in 2 countries which have been independent for centuries.

By that logic Stirling they shouldn't support a football team. Imagine causing misery to another group of people by taunting them over their team's inadequacies.


They don't play your anthem when you finish second.

It was his idea that they wore a glove each, after one of the two americans forgot their pair.

 


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How is protesting in order to make your country what you believe to be a better place being anti your country? You might be wrong in terms of what you believe will make it better, but protest is almost the definition of patriotism since it demonstrates that you are committed enough to improving things to stand up and be counted. If anyone is anti-British (in this case) it's those who meekly accept the status quo and therefore contribute nothing (or little) to society. Corbyn, simply by dint of being a party leader, cannot be anti British. Nor can the leaders of any party, whether I agree with their ideology or not.


Protesting is one thing, spitting and planting eggs on peoples heads is quite another. And I wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn actually likes our country and our traditions.

Not sure he was actually spitting or throwing the eggs. What are these traditions that are ours, and what do you mean by 'likes our country'? I like the view of the New Forrest as Autumn claims the trees and the smell of salt on the air along the British coasts, but I don't like our political system which essentially is a biased two horse race that both winners manipulate to improve their chances - Am I still British?


Clearly not if your spelling is anything to go by!

Touche, although I think it sums up our wonderful comprehensive education system.


Ok JM, and that wonderful British capacity for taking complete responsibility for oneself.

That is so not a British trait, only the working class ever blame themselves. The other classes generally blame the working classes, unless they're racist.

The audacity of the middle classes and upper working classes, criticizing the work ethic of people who actually do physical labour based work, is a corner stone of British tradition.

Inherited by those who work in offices, who'll complain about people having 'shorter days', but failing to acknowledge that these people do a lot more than sit in meetings, send emails and type on keyboards.


Hey, working in an office is still working, I'm not sure working class has much meaning anymore. We all work, pay tax and then die.

Unless of course you are Mark Zuckerburg.....

 


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It's a lot easier for us thickos to join in with the debate when Corbyn is accused of being a scruffy bearded lefty weirdo.

All this highbrow mumbo jumbo is for sydtheeagle and jamiemartin.

K.I.S.S.

Weird people are inherently more trustworthy than anyone who thinks they are 'normal'.


At last I feel better about this post because I'm designated as being weird by my "FRIENDS" but I can now sleep at night knowing that I am inherently more trust worthy than anyone who thinks they are"mormal" like my "FRIENDS". Just shows the benefits to be derived form MUMBO JUMBO even if one is moronic but patient.

 

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How is protesting in order to make your country what you believe to be a better place being anti your country? You might be wrong in terms of what you believe will make it better, but protest is almost the definition of patriotism since it demonstrates that you are committed enough to improving things to stand up and be counted. If anyone is anti-British (in this case) it's those who meekly accept the status quo and therefore contribute nothing (or little) to society. Corbyn, simply by dint of being a party leader, cannot be anti British. Nor can the leaders of any party, whether I agree with their ideology or not.


Protesting is one thing, spitting and planting eggs on peoples heads is quite another. And I wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn actually likes our country and our traditions.

Not sure he was actually spitting or throwing the eggs. What are these traditions that are ours, and what do you mean by 'likes our country'? I like the view of the New Forrest as Autumn claims the trees and the smell of salt on the air along the British coasts, but I don't like our political system which essentially is a biased two horse race that both winners manipulate to improve their chances - Am I still British?


Clearly not if your spelling is anything to go by!

Touche, although I think it sums up our wonderful comprehensive education system.


Ok JM, and that wonderful British capacity for taking complete responsibility for oneself.

That is so not a British trait, only the working class ever blame themselves. The other classes generally blame the working classes, unless they're racist.

The audacity of the middle classes and upper working classes, criticizing the work ethic of people who actually do physical labour based work, is a corner stone of British tradition.

Inherited by those who work in offices, who'll complain about people having 'shorter days', but failing to acknowledge that these people do a lot more than sit in meetings, send emails and type on keyboards.


Hey, working in an office is still working, I'm not sure working class has much meaning anymore. We all work, pay tax and then die.


That wasn't the point being made.

 


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How is protesting in order to make your country what you believe to be a better place being anti your country? You might be wrong in terms of what you believe will make it better, but protest is almost the definition of patriotism since it demonstrates that you are committed enough to improving things to stand up and be counted. If anyone is anti-British (in this case) it's those who meekly accept the status quo and therefore contribute nothing (or little) to society. Corbyn, simply by dint of being a party leader, cannot be anti British. Nor can the leaders of any party, whether I agree with their ideology or not.


Protesting is one thing, spitting and planting eggs on peoples heads is quite another. And I wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn actually likes our country and our traditions.

Not sure he was actually spitting or throwing the eggs. What are these traditions that are ours, and what do you mean by 'likes our country'? I like the view of the New Forrest as Autumn claims the trees and the smell of salt on the air along the British coasts, but I don't like our political system which essentially is a biased two horse race that both winners manipulate to improve their chances - Am I still British?


Clearly not if your spelling is anything to go by!

Touche, although I think it sums up our wonderful comprehensive education system.


Ok JM, and that wonderful British capacity for taking complete responsibility for oneself.

That is so not a British trait, only the working class ever blame themselves. The other classes generally blame the working classes, unless they're racist.

The audacity of the middle classes and upper working classes, criticizing the work ethic of people who actually do physical labour based work, is a corner stone of British tradition.

Inherited by those who work in offices, who'll complain about people having 'shorter days', but failing to acknowledge that these people do a lot more than sit in meetings, send emails and type on keyboards.


Hey, working in an office is still working, I'm not sure working class has much meaning anymore. We all work, pay tax and then die.

Its not really working. I've been doing this office based working malarkey for donkeys years, and its never once left me actually physically and mentally shattered at the end of the day.

Long before that, when I was much fitter and younger I worked moving 25kg sacks of hops in a brewery, warehouses and worked then moved in retail -

All three were poorly paid, and involved far more actual work than I've ever done since.

Hard day at the office, 1st world problems. Try spending a day shifting 25kg bags of hops for 7 hours.


 


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How is protesting in order to make your country what you believe to be a better place being anti your country? You might be wrong in terms of what you believe will make it better, but protest is almost the definition of patriotism since it demonstrates that you are committed enough to improving things to stand up and be counted. If anyone is anti-British (in this case) it's those who meekly accept the status quo and therefore contribute nothing (or little) to society. Corbyn, simply by dint of being a party leader, cannot be anti British. Nor can the leaders of any party, whether I agree with their ideology or not.


Protesting is one thing, spitting and planting eggs on peoples heads is quite another. And I wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn actually likes our country and our traditions.

Not sure he was actually spitting or throwing the eggs. What are these traditions that are ours, and what do you mean by 'likes our country'? I like the view of the New Forrest as Autumn claims the trees and the smell of salt on the air along the British coasts, but I don't like our political system which essentially is a biased two horse race that both winners manipulate to improve their chances - Am I still British?


Clearly not if your spelling is anything to go by!

Touche, although I think it sums up our wonderful comprehensive education system.


Ok JM, and that wonderful British capacity for taking complete responsibility for oneself.

That is so not a British trait, only the working class ever blame themselves. The other classes generally blame the working classes, unless they're racist.

The audacity of the middle classes and upper working classes, criticizing the work ethic of people who actually do physical labour based work, is a corner stone of British tradition.

Inherited by those who work in offices, who'll complain about people having 'shorter days', but failing to acknowledge that these people do a lot more than sit in meetings, send emails and type on keyboards.


Hey, working in an office is still working, I'm not sure working class has much meaning anymore. We all work, pay tax and then die.

Its not really working. I've been doing this office based working malarkey for donkeys years, and its never once left me actually physically and mentally shattered at the end of the day.

Long before that, when I was much fitter and younger I worked moving 25kg sacks of hops in a brewery, warehouses and worked then moved in retail -

All three were poorly paid, and involved far more actual work than I've ever done since.

Hard day at the office, 1st world problems. Try spending a day shifting 25kg bags of hops for 7 hours.


So the only real work is that that requires brawn?

 

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How is protesting in order to make your country what you believe to be a better place being anti your country? You might be wrong in terms of what you believe will make it better, but protest is almost the definition of patriotism since it demonstrates that you are committed enough to improving things to stand up and be counted. If anyone is anti-British (in this case) it's those who meekly accept the status quo and therefore contribute nothing (or little) to society. Corbyn, simply by dint of being a party leader, cannot be anti British. Nor can the leaders of any party, whether I agree with their ideology or not.


Protesting is one thing, spitting and planting eggs on peoples heads is quite another. And I wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn actually likes our country and our traditions.

Not sure he was actually spitting or throwing the eggs. What are these traditions that are ours, and what do you mean by 'likes our country'? I like the view of the New Forrest as Autumn claims the trees and the smell of salt on the air along the British coasts, but I don't like our political system which essentially is a biased two horse race that both winners manipulate to improve their chances - Am I still British?


Clearly not if your spelling is anything to go by!

Touche, although I think it sums up our wonderful comprehensive education system.


Ok JM, and that wonderful British capacity for taking complete responsibility for oneself.

That is so not a British trait, only the working class ever blame themselves. The other classes generally blame the working classes, unless they're racist.

The audacity of the middle classes and upper working classes, criticizing the work ethic of people who actually do physical labour based work, is a corner stone of British tradition.

Inherited by those who work in offices, who'll complain about people having 'shorter days', but failing to acknowledge that these people do a lot more than sit in meetings, send emails and type on keyboards.


Hey, working in an office is still working, I'm not sure working class has much meaning anymore. We all work, pay tax and then die.

Its not really working. I've been doing this office based working malarkey for donkeys years, and its never once left me actually physically and mentally shattered at the end of the day.

Long before that, when I was much fitter and younger I worked moving 25kg sacks of hops in a brewery, warehouses and worked then moved in retail -

All three were poorly paid, and involved far more actual work than I've ever done since.

Hard day at the office, 1st world problems. Try spending a day shifting 25kg bags of hops for 7 hours.


So the only real work is that that requires brawn?


And you still miss the original point made.

 


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This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

 

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This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.


If you are a socialist because you are working class you get told it's the politics of envy. If you are a socialist because you are highly educated and/or wealthy you are accused of being a champagne socialist. Ergo it just can't be right to be socialist as nobody has a right to be one. And you certainly can't have an opinion on egalitarianism if you are the top of the pile as you should have given all of your hard-earned away as soon as you got beyond the modal income for the world.

 

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You just listed several good reasons not to be a socialist.

Socialism is illusory. What does it actually mean ?

 

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How is protesting in order to make your country what you believe to be a better place being anti your country? You might be wrong in terms of what you believe will make it better, but protest is almost the definition of patriotism since it demonstrates that you are committed enough to improving things to stand up and be counted. If anyone is anti-British (in this case) it's those who meekly accept the status quo and therefore contribute nothing (or little) to society. Corbyn, simply by dint of being a party leader, cannot be anti British. Nor can the leaders of any party, whether I agree with their ideology or not.


Protesting is one thing, spitting and planting eggs on peoples heads is quite another. And I wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn actually likes our country and our traditions.

Not sure he was actually spitting or throwing the eggs. What are these traditions that are ours, and what do you mean by 'likes our country'? I like the view of the New Forrest as Autumn claims the trees and the smell of salt on the air along the British coasts, but I don't like our political system which essentially is a biased two horse race that both winners manipulate to improve their chances - Am I still British?


Clearly not if your spelling is anything to go by!

Touche, although I think it sums up our wonderful comprehensive education system.


Ok JM, and that wonderful British capacity for taking complete responsibility for oneself.

That is so not a British trait, only the working class ever blame themselves. The other classes generally blame the working classes, unless they're racist.

The audacity of the middle classes and upper working classes, criticizing the work ethic of people who actually do physical labour based work, is a corner stone of British tradition.

Inherited by those who work in offices, who'll complain about people having 'shorter days', but failing to acknowledge that these people do a lot more than sit in meetings, send emails and type on keyboards.


Hey, working in an office is still working, I'm not sure working class has much meaning anymore. We all work, pay tax and then die.

Its not really working. I've been doing this office based working malarkey for donkeys years, and its never once left me actually physically and mentally shattered at the end of the day.

Long before that, when I was much fitter and younger I worked moving 25kg sacks of hops in a brewery, warehouses and worked then moved in retail -

All three were poorly paid, and involved far more actual work than I've ever done since.

Hard day at the office, 1st world problems. Try spending a day shifting 25kg bags of hops for 7 hours.


So the only real work is that that requires brawn?


And you still miss the original point made.

Please elucidate.

 

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