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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Oct 15 10.02am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 12 Oct 2015 8.02pm

This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

It wasn't about pay, or what was better, but how people in office based jobs have a nasty tendency to view anyone who may work a labour job as lazy for only working shorter shifts etc.

Having done both, I can highly recommend office work for less exhausting, but it can be more stressful I guess (its hard to be stressed about your job when you spent six hours shifting 25kg loads into a hopper).

 


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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 12 Oct 2015 8.02pm

This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

It wasn't about pay, or what was better, but how people in office based jobs have a nasty tendency to view anyone who may work a labour job as lazy for only working shorter shifts etc.

Having done both, I can highly recommend office work for less exhausting, but it can be more stressful I guess (its hard to be stressed about your job when you spent six hours shifting 25kg loads into a hopper).


Well you speak for yourself, I don't hold that view, does anyone?

 

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.02am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 12 Oct 2015 8.02pm

This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

It wasn't about pay, or what was better, but how people in office based jobs have a nasty tendency to view anyone who may work a labour job as lazy for only working shorter shifts etc.

Having done both, I can highly recommend office work for less exhausting, but it can be more stressful I guess (its hard to be stressed about your job when you spent six hours shifting 25kg loads into a hopper).


I've spent 30+ years in an office. In a brief period of a couple of weeks without work, rather than sign on, I did a bit of labouring for a garden company. At the end of the day I got the standard "bet that's the hardest days work you've ever done" line - I just didn't have the heart to tell him that, while it was physically draining, I'd count it as one of the easiest and most relaxing days I'd had, as you could just switch off your brain - you want that gravel moved from there to there? Done. You want it moved back again because you cocked up? No problem, done. I shovel, I get paid - no decisions to make, no responsibility - it was bliss!

 

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Hoof Hearted 13 Oct 15 10.13am

This argument about office worker v manual worker is as relevant as old v young or men v women.

The fact is we need all types of workers.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Oct 15 10.25am

Quote chris123 at 13 Oct 2015 10.09am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.02am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 12 Oct 2015 8.02pm

This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

It wasn't about pay, or what was better, but how people in office based jobs have a nasty tendency to view anyone who may work a labour job as lazy for only working shorter shifts etc.

Having done both, I can highly recommend office work for less exhausting, but it can be more stressful I guess (its hard to be stressed about your job when you spent six hours shifting 25kg loads into a hopper).


Well you speak for yourself, I don't hold that view, does anyone?

You should have been here when the Posties were protesting being forced to work additional hours after doing their deliveries, or the fireman strikes over extended hours. A lot of 'how easy they have it' rhetoric was bouncing around here.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Oct 15 10.26am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 13 Oct 2015 10.13am

This argument about office worker v manual worker is as relevant as old v young or men v women.

The fact is we need all types of workers.

Still not the point I was making, I agree both forms of work are essential.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Oct 15 10.28am

Quote npn at 13 Oct 2015 10.12am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.02am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 12 Oct 2015 8.02pm

This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

It wasn't about pay, or what was better, but how people in office based jobs have a nasty tendency to view anyone who may work a labour job as lazy for only working shorter shifts etc.

Having done both, I can highly recommend office work for less exhausting, but it can be more stressful I guess (its hard to be stressed about your job when you spent six hours shifting 25kg loads into a hopper).


I've spent 30+ years in an office. In a brief period of a couple of weeks without work, rather than sign on, I did a bit of labouring for a garden company. At the end of the day I got the standard "bet that's the hardest days work you've ever done" line - I just didn't have the heart to tell him that, while it was physically draining, I'd count it as one of the easiest and most relaxing days I'd had, as you could just switch off your brain - you want that gravel moved from there to there? Done. You want it moved back again because you cocked up? No problem, done. I shovel, I get paid - no decisions to make, no responsibility - it was bliss!

Funny enough I do occasionally like a hard days physical graft, I find it very fulfilling to have to take nothing home with me, but its f**king knackering.

But that wasn't really the point I was making either.


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.25am

Quote chris123 at 13 Oct 2015 10.09am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.02am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 12 Oct 2015 8.02pm

This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

It wasn't about pay, or what was better, but how people in office based jobs have a nasty tendency to view anyone who may work a labour job as lazy for only working shorter shifts etc.

Having done both, I can highly recommend office work for less exhausting, but it can be more stressful I guess (its hard to be stressed about your job when you spent six hours shifting 25kg loads into a hopper).


Well you speak for yourself, I don't hold that view, does anyone?

You should have been here when the Posties were protesting being forced to work additional hours after doing their deliveries, or the fireman strikes over extended hours. A lot of 'how easy they have it' rhetoric was bouncing around here.



I see - so you attach rhetoric as a blanket to cover the views of those based in offices, how very Gusset!

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Oct 15 11.12am

Quote chris123 at 13 Oct 2015 10.31am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.25am

Quote chris123 at 13 Oct 2015 10.09am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.02am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 12 Oct 2015 8.02pm

This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

It wasn't about pay, or what was better, but how people in office based jobs have a nasty tendency to view anyone who may work a labour job as lazy for only working shorter shifts etc.

Having done both, I can highly recommend office work for less exhausting, but it can be more stressful I guess (its hard to be stressed about your job when you spent six hours shifting 25kg loads into a hopper).


Well you speak for yourself, I don't hold that view, does anyone?

You should have been here when the Posties were protesting being forced to work additional hours after doing their deliveries, or the fireman strikes over extended hours. A lot of 'how easy they have it' rhetoric was bouncing around here.



I see - so you attach rhetoric as a blanket to cover the views of those based in offices, how very Gusset!

Only if you misread what I said, it was aimed at those who consider they work hard, but dismiss that done by others in more physically demanding roles.


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 11.12am

Quote chris123 at 13 Oct 2015 10.31am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.25am

Quote chris123 at 13 Oct 2015 10.09am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.02am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 12 Oct 2015 8.02pm

This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

It wasn't about pay, or what was better, but how people in office based jobs have a nasty tendency to view anyone who may work a labour job as lazy for only working shorter shifts etc.

Having done both, I can highly recommend office work for less exhausting, but it can be more stressful I guess (its hard to be stressed about your job when you spent six hours shifting 25kg loads into a hopper).


Well you speak for yourself, I don't hold that view, does anyone?

You should have been here when the Posties were protesting being forced to work additional hours after doing their deliveries, or the fireman strikes over extended hours. A lot of 'how easy they have it' rhetoric was bouncing around here.



I see - so you attach rhetoric as a blanket to cover the views of those based in offices, how very Gusset!

Only if you misread what I said, it was aimed at those who consider they work hard, but dismiss that done by others in more physically demanding roles.



Ok, so when I ask who holds the view that those in labour jobs are lazy, the answer is those that think those in labour jobs are lazy? I still don't know who we're talking about.

 

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 11.12am

Quote chris123 at 13 Oct 2015 10.31am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.25am

Quote chris123 at 13 Oct 2015 10.09am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Oct 2015 10.02am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 12 Oct 2015 8.02pm

This thread has so many generalisations that I don't know where to start.

OK let's try.

Demonstration does not = moral high ground.

Manual work cannot be equated with administration or management although both are equally important.

Do we want the world run by white van man ?
We can't have a world where everyone does aspirational jobs. Not that I'm suggesting that "office based" is aspirational.
I would not agree that all no manual jobs are not hard work. Because there is no muscle involved does not mean it isn't tiring or demanding. Of course working a hard days graft moving s*** from one place to another takes it out of the anatomy but not all physical labour is poorly paid. Ask a plasterer or a plumber.
The vast majority of socialists are happy to become middle class and yet still remain in denial of the system that got them there.
Of course life is not a level playing field and all the whining about it in the world won't change that.

Corbyn's appeal to his targeted audience is so cynical it makes me chuck.

It wasn't about pay, or what was better, but how people in office based jobs have a nasty tendency to view anyone who may work a labour job as lazy for only working shorter shifts etc.

Having done both, I can highly recommend office work for less exhausting, but it can be more stressful I guess (its hard to be stressed about your job when you spent six hours shifting 25kg loads into a hopper).


Well you speak for yourself, I don't hold that view, does anyone?

You should have been here when the Posties were protesting being forced to work additional hours after doing their deliveries, or the fireman strikes over extended hours. A lot of 'how easy they have it' rhetoric was bouncing around here.



I see - so you attach rhetoric as a blanket to cover the views of those based in offices, how very Gusset!

Only if you misread what I said, it was aimed at those who consider they work hard, but dismiss that done by others in more physically demanding roles.


Not sure I know anyone who thinks that way.

Short hours are common in the building trade I suppose and many of us have had builders in who go home at 3pm but that is one of the few perks of having to do a repetitive, grueling job. I wouldn't hold it against them. I do have a problem with the ridiculous prices they charge, I would hold that against them.

 

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This is one of the best countries in the world.
My mum is from Ireland, but my pops side of the family come from Dom Republic (and other places)
I will always back England in sporting events, even if they play Ireland/Dominican Republic, England made me, gave me opportunities, educated me, treated me in hospital, gave me a safe tolerant society...and for that I will always be grateful, maybe even more than someone who is 100% anglo-saxon (if that exists), maybe some people take this country for granted?

Got a pakistani friend, born in Guildford, has a great career, nice house, wife n kids the whole lot. Goes to pakistan once a year. Moans how corrupt it is, how squalid it is, how his family treat him as a cash cow.

pakistan vs England in the cricket, he supports pakistan... the country he doesn't like, and has given him nothing.

 

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