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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Oct 15 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 17 Oct 2015 11.00am

Not many on here would last two days working in an inner city school unless it was as a janitor.


When I was teaching in Crawley there was a schools inspector who wanted to remind himself what teaching was like. Basically he couldn't hack it, failed miserably. It's fricking tough. After teaching in Ashburton I had enough and got a proper job.

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 17 Oct 2015 11.00am

Not many on here would last two days working in an inner city school unless it was as a janitor.


When I was teaching in Crawley there was a schools inspector who wanted to remind himself what teaching was like. Basically he couldn't hack it, failed miserably. It's fricking tough. After teaching in Ashburton I had enough and got a proper job.


Yep, too true.....Come very close to leaving a few times. I'm very lucky to have an excellent and experienced manager who gives a s***....Many don't and the job grinds them down till they quit.

Only the real work hard-arses stick it out long term fronting up in the classroom. Some of them aren't really the kind of people I would personally want teaching my children. I'm pretty stubborn but I doubt personally that I'll ultimately get to taste that apparently wonderful pension.

A lot of promising and creative people don't stick it out....Ultimately the blame lies at the feet of those charged with creating the education system.

Loony tunes.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2015 4.58pm)

 


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Having never been a teacher, as I said before, I'm not qualified to have an informed opinion, but it strikes me that if you have gone into teaching from further education and have never done another job then how do you really know how bad teaching is ?
I have done jobs in the past where the pay was disgraceful, working unsociable shifts and being treated like s***. Is teaching worse than a lot of other jobs? I doubt it. All things are relative
Also can I suggest that that if you went into teaching thinking it was easy then you were a little naive.

Teaching is one of those jobs where you have a voice. You have a strong union and a high profile. There are many others who work in appalling conditions, with no prospects or job satisfaction, who are ignored by the media and just have to get on with it.

 

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 18 Oct 2015 1.11am

Having never been a teacher, as I said before, I'm not qualified to have an informed opinion, but it strikes me that if you have gone into teaching from further education and have never done another job then how do you really know how bad teaching is ?
I have done jobs in the past where the pay was disgraceful, working unsociable shifts and being treated like s***. Is teaching worse than a lot of other jobs? I doubt it. All things are relative
Also can I suggest that that if you went into teaching thinking it was easy then you were a little naive.

Teaching is one of those jobs where you have a voice. You have a strong union and a high profile. There are many others who work in appalling conditions, with no prospects or job satisfaction, who are ignored by the media and just have to get on with it.

blimey! Prepare yourself for a talking too.

Edited by matt_himself (18 Oct 2015 8.40am)

 


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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 18 Oct 2015 1.11am

Having never been a teacher, as I said before, I'm not qualified to have an informed opinion, but it strikes me that if you have gone into teaching from further education and have never done another job then how do you really know how bad teaching is ?
I have done jobs in the past where the pay was disgraceful, working unsociable shifts and being treated like s***. Is teaching worse than a lot of other jobs? I doubt it. All things are relative
Also can I suggest that that if you went into teaching thinking it was easy then you were a little naive.

Teaching is one of those jobs where you have a voice. You have a strong union and a high profile. There are many others who work in appalling conditions, with no prospects or job satisfaction, who are ignored by the media and just have to get on with it.

I work in Education at a senior level, and have to admit that there is some truth in what you say but not in everything stated. There are certainly those joining the profession with a naive view of what to expect e.g. that they can transform poorly behaved children and consistently present whizz bang lessons, and that the administration can't be that demanding, can it? The drop out rate for new teachers is high mainly because their pre-conceived ideas of the job have proven to be inaccurate.

Yes, the job can be ruthlessly demanding eating into personal home life and is certainly one of the most unsociable careers to enter into. Teachers also work into their holidays e.g. assessment & planning ahead; marking; tidying up and preparing the classroom for the next term etc But other jobs can be likewise massively demanding with not even the cushion of the amount of holiday time, enjoyed by teachers, to fall back onto.

Incidentally, the influence of teaching unions has become markedly weakened by recent Government legislation and the significant increase in academies who have structures in place that make them largely exempt from union comeback re: employment conditions. As an example, it is easy nowadays to get rid of older, more expensive though talented members of staff on subjective, trumped up charges of lack of competence....in favour of young, inexperienced and cheap to employ teachers ...from supply agencies...that also results in head teachers not having to cover 'on-costs' e.g. holiday; pensions. In the mean time, Academy Head Teacher salaries continue to spiral out of control. Oh,and you're expected to work until you're 68 under latest retirement legislation. I'll bet that the majority do not make it that far.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 Oct 15 12.09pm

Quote Mapletree at 17 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Kermit8 at 17 Oct 2015 11.00am

Not many on here would last two days working in an inner city school unless it was as a janitor.


When I was teaching in Crawley there was a schools inspector who wanted to remind himself what teaching was like. Basically he couldn't hack it, failed miserably. It's fricking tough. After teaching in Ashburton I had enough and got a proper job.

There aren't many jobs I would never want to do, even if it was the only option, and being a primary or secondary school teacher is one of them (teaching at A-Level maybe).

Seven hours a day pay, for 12 hour days, five days a week, with holiday time being fixed to term time so you can go on holiday with lots of families. Poor career progression options, massive responsibility, having to deal with children and parents, with a general salary of 30k after four or five years. Plus you get the joy of having to pay tuition fees for three or four years for the pleasure. And nothing is greater than having just eaten your diner, than having a couple of hours of lesson planning and government audit documentation to complete. Plus the stress, breakdowns, abuse and thanklessness. Wonderful.

Then cramming everything you want to do, and people you want to see, into the weekend, before starting the routine again.

F**k that, only people in the armed services seem to have it worse.

 


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Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 3.43pm

Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well!

Welcome to reality.

I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed.


I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.


Exactly.

And there is your answer Jamie.


They're f*cking idiots with no life.

I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance.

They certainly aren't idiots, and they have very good lives.

Sometimes people's work/life balance is putting in the graft now, while enjoying holidays others could only dream of, and retiring at 50 odd with sod all debt. Or being mortgage free in your 30s/40s.

 


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Quote Sportyteacher at 18 Oct 2015 8.54am

Yes, the job can be ruthlessly demanding eating into personal home life and is certainly one of the most unsociable careers to enter into. Teachers also work into their holidays e.g. assessment & planning ahead; marking; tidying up and preparing the classroom for the next term etc

Don't I know it ! My wife (Now retired) was a senior school teacher for 35 years. My daughter is a qualified teacher but left the classroom after 3 years and is currently employed in an educational role in a London office dealing with tutors etc etc. She does miss the holidays though !

 

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my view may be controversial but many young people have no intention of going onto further education and plan to go into trade work as there is some serious money in skilled trades, pupils should have the chocie to pull out at an earlier age say 13-14 when they have all the numeracy and literate skills required for daily life, but then can focus on a trade for life.

would save money and space in schools and less competition in university places.

and everyone will be where they want to be, i just dont believe education is everything as people are needed at every level of skilled work from the labourers and cleaners to doctors and politicians but todays education seems to think everyone should be going for those highly academic jobs, not very sustainable if you ask me, a brick layer can earn as much as a doctor or more nowadays simply becasue this is the rubbish model of education we have had for decades

 

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Quote Stuk at 19 Oct 2015 3.19pm

Quote DanH at 16 Oct 2015 5.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 5.12pm

Quote Stuk at 16 Oct 2015 4.56pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 4.03pm

Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 3.43pm

Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well!

Welcome to reality.

I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed.


I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.


Exactly.

And there is your answer Jamie.


They're f*cking idiots with no life.

I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance.

They certainly aren't idiots, and they have very good lives.

Sometimes people's work/life balance is putting in the graft now, while enjoying holidays others could only dream of, and retiring at 50 odd with sod all debt. Or being mortgage free in your 30s/40s.


Yep, still maintain that people that are that driven purely by money and work every hour God sends are f*cking idiots.

But each to their own - I'm clocking off now to go and play football with my mates and have a few beers after.

 

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Quote phil38 at 21 Oct 2015 5.39pm

my view may be controversial but many young people have no intention of going onto further education and plan to go into trade work as there is some serious money in skilled trades, pupils should have the chocie to pull out at an earlier age say 13-14 when they have all the numeracy and literate skills required for daily life, but then can focus on a trade for life.

would save money and space in schools and less competition in university places.

and everyone will be where they want to be, i just dont believe education is everything as people are needed at every level of skilled work from the labourers and cleaners to doctors and politicians but todays education seems to think everyone should be going for those highly academic jobs, not very sustainable if you ask me, a brick layer can earn as much as a doctor or more nowadays simply becasue this is the rubbish model of education we have had for decades

13-14 sounds too young. I'm not sure that many kids know what they want to do at that age so it makes sense to give them a structure while they find themselves. I've heard that there are more apprenticeships being made available for school leavers nowadays, but I don't know if they're genuine or something halfhearted brought in to tick a box.

 

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seems that the people on here that are critical of teachers either haven't been in teaching or haven't lived with someone who is a teacher. Anyone who knows someone closely who works as a teacher seems to agree that it's a very demanding, difficult job compared with a lot of others. The only people who seem to think that it's a lot of unwarranted moaning are those who have never worked as a teacher, haven't lived with a teacher or believe what others say about teachers having an easy time of it. As a teacher myself I know how demanding and difficult the job is and with all the changes Ofsted have implemented they have tried to make it more difficult for schools to pass inspections which is one of the reasons why so many teachers are leaving the profession.

Edited by sitdownstandup (21 Oct 2015 8.12pm)

 


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