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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 28 Jan 16 9.17am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

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The number of teachers who quit in the 12 months leading up to November 2014 increased by 3,840 to 49,120 - more than the 48,900 who applied to become a teacher.

That's a lot innit?

I'm no Maths genius but those percentages?

Volume of workload (61%)

Seeking better work/life balance (57%)

Unreasonable demands from managers (44%)

Retiring from the profession (34%)

Rapid pace of organisational change (33%)

Mental health concerns (23%)

Student behaviour (22%)

Physical health concerns (15%)

Seeking higher pay (11%)

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (28 Jan 2016 9.17am)

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 28 Jan 16 9.18am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I'm no Maths genius but those percentages?

Volume of workload (61%)

Seeking better work/life balance (57%)

Unreasonable demands from managers (44%)

Retiring from the profession (34%)

Rapid pace of organisational change (33%)

Mental health concerns (23%)

Student behaviour (22%)

Physical health concerns (15%)

Seeking higher pay (11%)

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (28 Jan 2016 9.17am)


You can want to quit your job for more than one reason.

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 28 Jan 16 9.21am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by DanH


You can want to quit your job for more than one reason.

Kinda muddies the waters though. Over a third were just from retiring. Did they retire early? if so, because of a big fat pension or they were sick of abuse? See my point?

 


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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 28 Jan 16 10.32am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Education Minister, Nick Gibbs, believes that teachers love their work and that the profession is safe and sound within the hands of the Conservative Government = more evidence of how the latter live and work an ivory tower existence.

 

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View Pawson Palace's Profile Pawson Palace Flag Croydon 28 Jan 16 10.36am Send a Private Message to Pawson Palace Add Pawson Palace as a friend

Try teaching professional accounting exams. I looked into it after being ACCA qualified some are earning nearly 70k a year. Albeit they work evenings and weekends that some serious wedge with long holidays between exams and no homework to mark.

 


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 28 Jan 16 11.05am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Education Minister, Nick Gibbs, believes that teachers love their work and that the profession is safe and sound within the hands of the Conservative Government = more evidence of how the latter live and work an ivory tower existence.

The ills of the teaching profession are not as simple as Labour / Tory.

That is half the problem, it is used as a political weapon by all sides to the cost of the the most important people, the pupils.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Jan 16 11.25am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

The ills of the teaching profession are not as simple as Labour / Tory.

That is half the problem, it is used as a political weapon by all sides to the cost of the the most important people, the pupils.

I agree with this, and increasingly the pressure is placed on pupils attaining results over the idea of education for its own sake. Problematically this tends to create generations who know the answer, but not how to solve the problem (so much).

This coupled with the commercialisation of education towards employment, are undermining the survival and propagation of cultural discourse within society (or something). Essentially, we're creating generations of students for whom education is increasingly pressured towards fiscal attainment, which damages the UK culturally.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Jan 16 11.33am

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Education Minister, Nick Gibbs, believes that teachers love their work and that the profession is safe and sound within the hands of the Conservative Government = more evidence of how the latter live and work an ivory tower existence.

Same as Labour. The promotion of the idea that you can get more or the same, with less, and then squeezing those in the point of delivery to provide it for free.

One of the worse elements of capitalism, the ease with which exploitation of people in vocations occurs (People who have a calling). Sadly, this problem is forcing people out of vocations (such as teaching and the military, into private industry where vocational employment is rare and competition fiercer - making exploitation more difficult). The worrying thing is that this is typically the more experienced, and results in a brain drain of experience within these fields.

A lot of people I've worked for over the last five years have been military personal who have simply left the military to work in MOD related work because they need more income, security and flexibility than the military can now provide - and that experience is then lost to the next generation coming up.

The same applies with teaching. Plenty of new teachers are entering the profession, the concern should be that many experienced teachers with 10-20 years experience are leaving education entirely. The end result of this can only be a loss of experience in the field in general.

 


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View georgey wood's Profile georgey wood Flag South London and Proud 28 Jan 16 12.07pm Send a Private Message to georgey wood Add georgey wood as a friend

In the words of Cameron teachers are teaching "broken Britain". Kids have more problems than ever ( broken homes, social problems due to technology, immigration, lack of opportunity, everyone being told they're special, can be famous for doing nothing, body image issues for boys and girls, the rise of knife crime etc etc)
Yet teachers have had a pay cut in real terms since this parliament began. Bigger than ever class sizes, crumbling facilities, unrealistic politically driven exam targets, which don't even provide leavers with the skill set to succeed in work anyway.
I've been a PE teacher for 12 years (still the best subject to teach) in regards to work load. However the curriculum is so theory heavy you spend half the time talking to kids whilst they're standing still or writing in lessons now to satisfy OFSTED. School teams are virtually non existent in year 10/11 as my own head wants the kids staying after school and revising for Maths/ English etc. kids are so unfit and deluded with how good they are at sport. One kid asked me can his mate be in the football team because he's "sic on Fifa"
Kids give up, don't bring kit( supported by parents) and are told PE doesn't matter. They cannot deal with defeat or overcome challenge. All the teachers I know are knackered and leaving the profession in droves (Maths/ Science and particularly English staff are the worst effected by work load and scrutinised constantly) I'm still in the profession because I make myself have a work/ life balance but if I'm honest often at the detriment of pupils ( doing less after school clubs for example) so I can satisfy my marking targets I'm meant to be a fkin PE teacher it breaks my heart.
The summer holidays are still great I do no work for a month but other half terms I'm doing work or planning for the next term. Pay is decent as is the pension however I've got to work until 68 before I can retire ( who wants their kids taught by a knackered old PE teacher?) Most kids are still great and inspire me most of the time some of their home lives in London are a disgrace in 21st century Britainn. All I can really do is direct talented kids to academies and clubs I have no time to develop their sporting skills to any great level. Plus I try to give them trips out of school they would otherwise not have (climbing, sailing skiing etc all in my own time after school and weekends and unpaid) Teachers are more social workers than real educators which is a real shame.
Unfortunately the whole education system is not fit for purpose.
Broken kids, broken staff, broken Britain........( don't believe the demonisation of kids or teachers by the government and media they're not to blame the system is)

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 28 Jan 16 12.30pm

Originally posted by georgey wood

In the words of Cameron teachers are teaching "broken Britain". Kids have more problems than ever ( broken homes, social problems due to technology, immigration, lack of opportunity, everyone being told they're special, can be famous for doing nothing, body image issues for boys and girls, the rise of knife crime etc etc)
Yet teachers have had a pay cut in real terms since this parliament began. Bigger than ever class sizes, crumbling facilities, unrealistic politically driven exam targets, which don't even provide leavers with the skill set to succeed in work anyway.
I've been a PE teacher for 12 years (still the best subject to teach) in regards to work load. However the curriculum is so theory heavy you spend half the time talking to kids whilst they're standing still or writing in lessons now to satisfy OFSTED. School teams are virtually non existent in year 10/11 as my own head wants the kids staying after school and revising for Maths/ English etc. kids are so unfit and deluded with how good they are at sport. One kid asked me can his mate be in the football team because he's "sic on Fifa"
Kids give up, don't bring kit( supported by parents) and are told PE doesn't matter. They cannot deal with defeat or overcome challenge. All the teachers I know are knackered and leaving the profession in droves (Maths/ Science and particularly English staff are the worst effected by work load and scrutinised constantly) I'm still in the profession because I make myself have a work/ life balance but if I'm honest often at the detriment of pupils ( doing less after school clubs for example) so I can satisfy my marking targets I'm meant to be a fkin PE teacher it breaks my heart.
The summer holidays are still great I do no work for a month but other half terms I'm doing work or planning for the next term. Pay is decent as is the pension however I've got to work until 68 before I can retire ( who wants their kids taught by a knackered old PE teacher?) Most kids are still great and inspire me most of the time some of their home lives in London are a disgrace in 21st century Britainn. All I can really do is direct talented kids to academies and clubs I have no time to develop their sporting skills to any great level. Plus I try to give them trips out of school they would otherwise not have (climbing, sailing skiing etc all in my own time after school and weekends and unpaid) Teachers are more social workers than real educators which is a real shame.
Unfortunately the whole education system is not fit for purpose.
Broken kids, broken staff, broken Britain........( don't believe the demonisation of kids or teachers by the government and media they're not to blame the system is)

Can’t be all bad if you’re at school this morning being paid to write on the HOL.
If you don’t like your work anymore mate - move on and do something else with your life.
As they say - there are no dress rehearsals in life, this is it. I don’t understand people bleating on about how they don’t like their job etc. etc. Your life is in your own hands fella, do something you do enjoy.
I think one of the problems is that whilst teachers moan about their lot - they also realise that life outside is also bloody hard.

 


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Thanks Tom for your life advice. If you read between the lines a little I'm not really moaning massively about my life more the system and how the job isn't what it used to be. Also that it's not an easy profession with loads of holidays as some people have stated. Quite hard to just move on as I'm on decent money and have built a career ( however I am for the first time looking about) at the end of the day only fools and horses work so people always moaning about their work ha, ha. I'm off work at the moment as my daughter is in hospital having an operation. Sorry not to be at work mate.


 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 28 Jan 16 12.45pm

Originally posted by georgey wood

Thanks Tom for your life advice. If you read between the lines a little I'm not really moaning massively about my life more the system and how the job isn't what it used to be. Also that it's not an easy profession with loads of holidays as some people have stated. Quite hard to just move on as I'm on decent money and have built a career ( however I am for the first time looking about) at the end of the day only fools and horses work so people always moaning about their work ha, ha. I'm off work at the moment as my daughter is in hospital having an operation. Sorry not to be at work mate.


Mate i'm only f@cking with you.
On a serious note though, I hope everything is OK with your daughter.
Best wishes
Tom

 


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