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oldcodger 28 Oct 15 12.08pm
Quote phil38 at 28 Oct 2015 12.04pm you can get cancer just by walking down the street now-a-days "The scientific evidence linking both processed meat and tobacco to certain types of cancer is strong. In that sense, both are carcinogens. But smoking increases your relative risk of lung cancer by 2,500 percent; eating two slices of bacon a day increases your relative risk for colorectal cancer by 18 percent. Given the frequency of colorectal cancer, that means your risk of getting colorectal cancer over your life goes from about 5 percent to 6 percent and, well, YBMMV. " It's all about weighing up the risks.
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you can get cancer just by walking down the street now-a-days

"The scientific evidence linking both processed meat and tobacco to certain types of cancer is strong. In that sense, both are carcinogens. But smoking increases your relative risk of lung cancer by 2,500 percent; eating two slices of bacon a day increases your relative risk for colorectal cancer by 18 percent. Given the frequency of colorectal cancer, that means your risk of getting colorectal cancer over your life goes from about 5 percent to 6 percent and, well, YBMMV. "

It's all about weighing up the risks.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Oct 15 1.08pm
Quote phil38 at 28 Oct 2015 12.04pm you can get cancer just by walking down the street now-a-days That has always been the case, as vehicle emissions and many air pollutants are carcinogens. Nothing new about that. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote phil38 at 28 Oct 2015 12.04pm

you can get cancer just by walking down the street now-a-days

That has always been the case, as vehicle emissions and many air pollutants are carcinogens. Nothing new about that.

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Ibanez 28 Oct 15 9.58pm
Quote oldcodger at 28 Oct 2015 12.08pm Quote phil38 at 28 Oct 2015 12.04pm you can get cancer just by walking down the street now-a-days "The scientific evidence linking both processed meat and tobacco to certain types of cancer is strong. In that sense, both are carcinogens. But smoking increases your relative risk of lung cancer by 2,500 percent; eating two slices of bacon a day increases your relative risk for colorectal cancer by 18 percent. Given the frequency of colorectal cancer, that means your risk of getting colorectal cancer over your life goes from about 5 percent to 6 percent and, well, YBMMV. " It's all about weighing up the risks. Great post. It's shocking how rarely the numbers are mentioned. "Cancer risk" sounds very scary, but 6% chance instead of 5% chance doesn't grab any headlines.
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Quote oldcodger at 28 Oct 2015 12.08pm

Quote phil38 at 28 Oct 2015 12.04pm

you can get cancer just by walking down the street now-a-days

It's all about weighing up the risks.

Great post. It's shocking how rarely the numbers are mentioned. "Cancer risk" sounds very scary, but 6% chance instead of 5% chance doesn't grab any headlines.

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Oct 15 6.31am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 26 Oct 2015 8.23am The advice is flawed We are omnivores Like anything its about the quality of the priduct you consume Exactly. Have you tried eating just fruit and vegetables? The human body is not designed for that and the results are not pleasant or compliment, pulling something out at random, showing a relative around London sights. That was a messy day. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 26 Oct 2015 8.23am

The advice is flawed
We are omnivores
Like anything its about the quality of the priduct you consume

Exactly. Have you tried eating just fruit and vegetables? The human body is not designed for that and the results are not pleasant or compliment, pulling something out at random, showing a relative around London sights. That was a messy day.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Mr Palaceman 29 Oct 15 7.57am
I'm not a vegetarian but for the last year I have hardly eaten any meat and I feel a lot better for it. To me it's common sense, if you eat meat every day with all the crp they put in it now, no wonder cancer is on the increase. Hormones, growth enhancers, pesticides. But It's not meat per-say, it's just what they do to it so they can make more money and make it last on the self. Chicken for instance "was" a low fat, high protein bird back in the day but now it's low protein, high fat/water. When you see chickens running around wild they are skinny. At the end of the day, you are what you eat. I try and stay away from any processed "food like" products and if it says "part of your 5 a day" on the label, I avoid it like the plague. They may as well put on the label "This is crp food but we pretend that it's healthy as we have put an essence of fruit in it". Proper food labelling would make it easier to make good food choices but if the food industry did that, they wouldn't be able to sell us rubbish food and make a profit by pretending that it's good for you.. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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I'm not a vegetarian but for the last year I have hardly eaten any meat and I feel a lot better for it.

To me it's common sense, if you eat meat every day with all the cr*p they put in it now, no wonder cancer is on the increase. Hormones, growth enhancers, pesticides.

But It's not meat per-say, it's just what they do to it so they can make more money and make it last on the self.

Chicken for instance "was" a low fat, high protein bird back in the day but now it's low protein, high fat/water. When you see chickens running around wild they are skinny.

At the end of the day, you are what you eat. I try and stay away from any processed "food like" products and if it says "part of your 5 a day" on the label, I avoid it like the plague. They may as well put on the label "This is cr*p food but we pretend that it's healthy as we have put an essence of fruit in it".

Proper food labelling would make it easier to make good food choices but if the food industry did that, they wouldn't be able to sell us rubbish food and make a profit by pretending that it's good for you..

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Oct 15 9.52am
Quote matt_himself at 29 Oct 2015 6.31am Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 26 Oct 2015 8.23am The advice is flawed We are omnivores Like anything its about the quality of the priduct you consume Exactly. Have you tried eating just fruit and vegetables? The human body is not designed for that and the results are not pleasant or compliment, pulling something out at random, showing a relative around London sights. That was a messy day. Not entirely true, but not untrue either. Years back when I was vegetarian, the first few weeks were pretty 'difficult', but then no problems. Just turned out that my body hadn't been used to a diet that was vegetables and fruit (and if you don't eat a lot of fruit and then start eating a lot of fruit - its like a bowel tsunami!). Funny enough when I came back over to the meat eaters, I had horrible constipation. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote matt_himself at 29 Oct 2015 6.31am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 26 Oct 2015 8.23am

The advice is flawed
We are omnivores
Like anything its about the quality of the priduct you consume

Not entirely true, but not untrue either. Years back when I was vegetarian, the first few weeks were pretty 'difficult', but then no problems. Just turned out that my body hadn't been used to a diet that was vegetables and fruit (and if you don't eat a lot of fruit and then start eating a lot of fruit - its like a bowel tsunami!). Funny enough when I came back over to the meat eaters, I had horrible constipation.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 29 Oct 15 10.39am
Eating a bacon/sausage sandwich every day would get boring let alone dangerous. Every now and then though you crave one and have it... same with dodgy kebabs after a night on the lash. All these so called experts make me laugh with their warnings about food and lifestyle. Here's my warning (take heed or not)... Don't eat a bacon sandwich whilst smoking a roll up and having unprotected anal sex with Julian Clary (as the giver) on the open deck of a roll-on-roll-off car ferry with it's sea doors open travelling from Zeebrugge in a winter low pressure induced storm with high waves and not wearing a life jacket.
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Hoof Hearted 29 Oct 15 10.39am

Eating a bacon/sausage sandwich every day would get boring let alone dangerous.

Every now and then though you crave one and have it... same with dodgy kebabs after a night on the lash.

All these so called experts make me laugh with their warnings about food and lifestyle.

Here's my warning (take heed or not)...

Don't eat a bacon sandwich whilst smoking a roll up and having unprotected anal sex with Julian Clary (as the giver) on the open deck of a roll-on-roll-off car ferry with it's sea doors open travelling from Zeebrugge in a winter low pressure induced storm with high waves and not wearing a life jacket.

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JohnB 29 Oct 15 10.49am
Bacon and Sausage etc. are in carcinogenic category 1 as is Sun light, so should we just not go outside ever too?
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Bacon and Sausage etc. are in carcinogenic category 1 as is Sun light, so should we just not go outside ever too?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Oct 15 1.06pm
Quote JohnB at 29 Oct 2015 10.49am Bacon and Sausage etc. are in carcinogenic category 1 as is Sun light, so should we just not go outside ever too? Like sunlight, the cancer aspect isn't really that great if you aren't regularly eating meat. The body is pretty good at dealing with exposure to UV light, the problem is prolonged exposure to UV light causes the problem (particularly where the skin burns as a result of exposure). But its also easily managed as a risk, avoid tanning and sun bathing, cover up a bit sensibly when out of doors etc. Similarly the risk of meat isn't really linked to meat, the risk increase is in the frequency with which people eat meat. The assumption of being omnivores means we can perfectly eat meat, is a misnomer, because in terms of cancers and meat your looking at the kind of late life cancers that aren't 'evolved out of the species' and in fact are probably genetically more prevalent because meat on a evolutionary scale of human existence was quite beneficial (and until fairly recently people wouldn't likely have lived long enough to develop a lot of the late life cancers anyhow) - and so its likely to be a genetic basis carried widely in the human population, that's increasingly triggered because our access to meats and meat products is far greater now than at any other time in history. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote JohnB at 29 Oct 2015 10.49am

Bacon and Sausage etc. are in carcinogenic category 1 as is Sun light, so should we just not go outside ever too?

Like sunlight, the cancer aspect isn't really that great if you aren't regularly eating meat. The body is pretty good at dealing with exposure to UV light, the problem is prolonged exposure to UV light causes the problem (particularly where the skin burns as a result of exposure).

But its also easily managed as a risk, avoid tanning and sun bathing, cover up a bit sensibly when out of doors etc. Similarly the risk of meat isn't really linked to meat, the risk increase is in the frequency with which people eat meat.

The assumption of being omnivores means we can perfectly eat meat, is a misnomer, because in terms of cancers and meat your looking at the kind of late life cancers that aren't 'evolved out of the species' and in fact are probably genetically more prevalent because meat on a evolutionary scale of human existence was quite beneficial (and until fairly recently people wouldn't likely have lived long enough to develop a lot of the late life cancers anyhow) - and so its likely to be a genetic basis carried widely in the human population, that's increasingly triggered because our access to meats and meat products is far greater now than at any other time in history.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Oct 15 1.10pm
Quote npn at 29 Oct 2015 11.20am [Link] Absolutely, having spent some time in old age homes over the last few years (until my nan died), don't fear death, fear regrets about living. The problem is though that cancer is a horrible and painful way to die. Euthanasia would be my preference close to the end. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Absolutely, having spent some time in old age homes over the last few years (until my nan died), don't fear death, fear regrets about living.

The problem is though that cancer is a horrible and painful way to die. Euthanasia would be my preference close to the end.

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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Oct 15 2.57pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Oct 2015 1.10pm Quote npn at 29 Oct 2015 11.20am [Link] Absolutely, having spent some time in old age homes over the last few years (until my nan died), don't fear death, fear regrets about living. The problem is though that cancer is a horrible and painful way to die. Euthanasia would be my preference close to the end. Wise words to a point. We shouldn't spend our lives worrying about death but we don't want to encourage it either. We are not always just living for ourselves. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Oct 2015 2.57pm)
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Quote npn at 29 Oct 2015 11.20am

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Absolutely, having spent some time in old age homes over the last few years (until my nan died), don't fear death, fear regrets about living.

The problem is though that cancer is a horrible and painful way to die. Euthanasia would be my preference close to the end.

Wise words to a point.

We shouldn't spend our lives worrying about death but we don't want to encourage it either.
We are not always just living for ourselves.

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