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jamiemartin721  Reading 27 Oct 15 1.23pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 27 Oct 2015 11.47am
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Quote matt_himself at 27 Oct 2015 5.40am
Germaine Greer a small been 'no platformed' for saying that she doesn't consider 'M to F' transsexuals to be women: Firstly, the video is excellent and good to see the fire still burning in Germaine. She is also right that people are way to sensitive these days. She also makes some interesting points about transsexuals. Secondly, this episode highlights one of the most distasteful aspects of the left. That being the suppression of free speech and the intimidation of those opposing the left's views. Whether it's the tranny lobby threatening a 76 year old, Nationalists in Scotland labelling anyone who disagrees with them as traitors or 'anti austerity' protesters at Tory Party conference threatening to rape journalists, the left is now using bully tactics as its normal tactics. Shame on the left and keep going Germaine. We need people who aren't afraid to speak up against the Leftist fascists who are trying to curtail freedom by labelling anyone who disagrees with them as 'something phobic' or a 'something-ist'. Yes, because its only the left that is curtailing freedom, its not like the Conservatives are launching a potential witch hunt under 'rooting out extremists' from government, schools.... Personally I agree with her, automatically classing transsexuals as men or women is wrong, the decision should lie with the individual. Some transgender people prefer to be identified as transsexual, rather than by the external genitals they display. In fact the whole idea of external sexual organ gender defining people is rather outdated in a post modern age, where we define people in far more complex ways. Rooting out Extremism is important. I don't want to live in a Caliphate. The left's PC crusade is not helpful and I even believe you think that. Problem is that its termed as extreme views, which is my concern, which is rather open ended. These kinds of 'blanket' bans are the kind of thing that end up becoming used for all manner of abuses, like anti-terrorism laws being used for crowd control, or to eject protestors from party conferences. I might be cynical, but it looks like a ramping up of a good old McCarthy style witch hunt. I don't want to live in a Caliphate, but somehow I don't think that's a) ever going to happen b) something that this law would ever affect the outcome of.
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 oldcodger 27 Oct 15 1.42pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 27 Oct 2015 1.18pm
Quote oldcodger at 27 Oct 2015 12.18pm
In the 60s and 70s Greer herself targeted academics and speakers she deemed misogynistic in a very similar fashion. The circle of life. That said I disagreed with that then and I disagree with this now. It's unfortunate that a group facing many of the same challenges women used to are shunned by Greer, but she has every right in my book to state her view. Edited by oldcodger (27 Oct 2015 12.47pm) This just demonstrates that all opinions are to a greater extent just self interest. It is easy to stand up for your kind and easy to have a go at another. You make a very good point. It's easy when trying to right a wrong to run with it and not look around to see what problems we ignore or in fact cause in being so singleminded. I'd say that's a flaw in most of us to some degree. Being overly tribal doesn't help either. There's an obsession with 'left' this, 'right' that. It's very easy to point the finger but we obscure many realities in the process.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 15 1.53pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 27 Oct 2015 9.08am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 8.50am
I saw the interview on Newsnight a few days back. She didn't mention 'the left' once yet you have managed to do it, in reference to her words, five times. She did say she doesn't like being misrepresented, though.
The Wimmins group at Cardiff Uni raised the query and looking on the Internet at their Wimmins Officer and their objectives, it is fair to say that they are left. Also, when was the last time you heard Nigel Farage fighting for Tranny rights? Grow up Kermit. Feminism is generally considered a liberal movement not a left wing movement as its tied to identity politics, rather than economics, and wealth ownership. Sexual politics does tend to have more weight in terms of leftwing groups and politics, than on the right, largely as a result of the influence of feminist theory on the left wing academia during the 80s and 90s (and the sympathy of left wing movements in history towards other 'oppressed' groups and struggles). Also, increasingly, right wing traditional bastions, such as the Conservatives and even some far right groups, have embraced Identity politics, and become more inclusive and accepting of groups traditional ostracized along grounds of gender, sexuality, race, religion etc. Even the church has shifted along these lines quite significantly. This isn't a result of leftist influences, its down the rise of liberalism in the UK. I wouldn't call Greer left wing, she's about as close to a 'hardcore' liberal as you'd get.
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| Stuk Top half 27 Oct 15 2.08pm |
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I find it funny when people argue that sexuality isn't a choice, but argue that gender is. I wonder if they'd prefer her to use "it", rather than "her"?
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| matt_himself Matataland 27 Oct 15 2.28pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Oct 2015 1.53pm
Quote matt_himself at 27 Oct 2015 9.08am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 8.50am
I saw the interview on Newsnight a few days back. She didn't mention 'the left' once yet you have managed to do it, in reference to her words, five times. She did say she doesn't like being misrepresented, though.
The Wimmins group at Cardiff Uni raised the query and looking on the Internet at their Wimmins Officer and their objectives, it is fair to say that they are left. Also, when was the last time you heard Nigel Farage fighting for Tranny rights? Grow up Kermit. Feminism is generally considered a liberal movement not a left wing movement as its tied to identity politics, rather than economics, and wealth ownership. Sexual politics does tend to have more weight in terms of leftwing groups and politics, than on the right, largely as a result of the influence of feminist theory on the left wing academia during the 80s and 90s (and the sympathy of left wing movements in history towards other 'oppressed' groups and struggles). Also, increasingly, right wing traditional bastions, such as the Conservatives and even some far right groups, have embraced Identity politics, and become more inclusive and accepting of groups traditional ostracized along grounds of gender, sexuality, race, religion etc. Even the church has shifted along these lines quite significantly. This isn't a result of leftist influences, its down the rise of liberalism in the UK. I wouldn't call Greer left wing, she's about as close to a 'hardcore' liberal as you'd get. Do you read your stuff before you write it? You are coming over as very reactionary these days. If you bothered t go on your favourite website, Greer's self described political allegiance for most of her life is anarchist/Marxist, certainly her most prolific writing stage.
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| oldcodger 27 Oct 15 5.53pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Oct 2015 1.53pm
Quote matt_himself at 27 Oct 2015 9.08am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 8.50am
I saw the interview on Newsnight a few days back. She didn't mention 'the left' once yet you have managed to do it, in reference to her words, five times. She did say she doesn't like being misrepresented, though.
The Wimmins group at Cardiff Uni raised the query and looking on the Internet at their Wimmins Officer and their objectives, it is fair to say that they are left. Also, when was the last time you heard Nigel Farage fighting for Tranny rights? Grow up Kermit. Feminism is generally considered a liberal movement not a left wing movement as its tied to identity politics, rather than economics, and wealth ownership. Sexual politics does tend to have more weight in terms of leftwing groups and politics, than on the right, largely as a result of the influence of feminist theory on the left wing academia during the 80s and 90s (and the sympathy of left wing movements in history towards other 'oppressed' groups and struggles). Also, increasingly, right wing traditional bastions, such as the Conservatives and even some far right groups, have embraced Identity politics, and become more inclusive and accepting of groups traditional ostracized along grounds of gender, sexuality, race, religion etc. Even the church has shifted along these lines quite significantly. I wouldn't call Greer left wing, she's about as close to a 'hardcore' liberal as you'd get.
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| kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 27 Oct 15 6.20pm |
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hoped it was a , y'know...
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| johnfirewall 28 Oct 15 8.01am |
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Seems to be another of those complex issues where the left simply favour the minority. I remember the backlash a woman got for reporting a transexual in the women's changing rooms. I would hope in her comment Greer has such people in mind. If you're born in the wrong body gender reassignment should be a front to back process ensuring you're legally changed as well.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Oct 15 10.08am |
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Quote matt_himself at 27 Oct 2015 2.28pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Oct 2015 1.53pm
Quote matt_himself at 27 Oct 2015 9.08am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 8.50am
I saw the interview on Newsnight a few days back. She didn't mention 'the left' once yet you have managed to do it, in reference to her words, five times. She did say she doesn't like being misrepresented, though.
The Wimmins group at Cardiff Uni raised the query and looking on the Internet at their Wimmins Officer and their objectives, it is fair to say that they are left. Also, when was the last time you heard Nigel Farage fighting for Tranny rights? Grow up Kermit. Feminism is generally considered a liberal movement not a left wing movement as its tied to identity politics, rather than economics, and wealth ownership. Sexual politics does tend to have more weight in terms of leftwing groups and politics, than on the right, largely as a result of the influence of feminist theory on the left wing academia during the 80s and 90s (and the sympathy of left wing movements in history towards other 'oppressed' groups and struggles). Also, increasingly, right wing traditional bastions, such as the Conservatives and even some far right groups, have embraced Identity politics, and become more inclusive and accepting of groups traditional ostracized along grounds of gender, sexuality, race, religion etc. Even the church has shifted along these lines quite significantly. This isn't a result of leftist influences, its down the rise of liberalism in the UK. I wouldn't call Greer left wing, she's about as close to a 'hardcore' liberal as you'd get. Do you read your stuff before you write it? You are coming over as very reactionary these days. If you bothered t go on your favourite website, Greer's self described political allegiance for most of her life is anarchist/Marxist, certainly her most prolific writing stage. Hahaha, you definitely have me there. I think maybe you're right too, I am a bit 'raaaghactionary' at the moment, few personal issues and a lack of Palace games (can't believe I've only been able to make one game so far this season). Not sure what Greer is doing on xhamster mind
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Oct 15 10.16am |
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Quote johnfirewall at 28 Oct 2015 8.01am
Seems to be another of those complex issues where the left simply favour the minority. I remember the backlash a woman got for reporting a transexual in the women's changing rooms. I would hope in her comment Greer has such people in mind. If you're born in the wrong body gender reassignment should be a front to back process ensuring you're legally changed as well. I'm not actually sure whether we really need to define peoples gender in precise categories. The only real exception probably is in terms of prison, these days - and even then you really are going to make a decision on the basis of physical gender. Is there really any value in determining if someone is male or female in 90% of situations? Or does it just prejudice us on an unconscious level.
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