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Quote Jimenez at 13 Nov 2015 12.07pm

Quote Superfly at 13 Nov 2015 10.14am

I think it's going to go. I agree with everyone here and think it's decent value for money but they're struggling to compete. There's already been talk at the beeb of scrapping the license and going subscription (which I think still negates the need for advertising).

As an aside though, there's word that they've been lying to us about their detector vans & equipment and none of it actually works. The beeb have confirmed that "detection" evidence has NEVER been presented during the prosecution of an alleged license fee evader.

So, adverts like the below were not only fabrications but created deliberately to scare us into buying their product. Aunties protection racket.

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I think you may be right on this subject Superfly. Whilst working for a shop fitting firm & working away from home I got a visit from the TV detector people my lodger answered the door. Anyway long story short a few weeks later I'm at the magistrates court and while waiting to go in front of the beak I asked a girl coming out of the courtroom what fine she got? 400 quid was her answer. f***ing Hell I thought so when I went in I pleaded guilty to everything with my excuse being that I was working away from home & didn't have time to set up a direct debit with the bank. I then threw my 'curveball' saying the only thing I didn't agree with was that I had a Black & White TV rather than a Colour one. I got fined 35 quid !!!!


I've looked into this a fair bit recently* and (to put it very simply), if you don't incriminate yourself then there's nothing they can do. In the old days it was simple - you've got a telly, so cough up - but now there are so many exemptions that they literally have to get you to confess before they can take any action.

What you can do is either contact the Beeb & tell them you're exempt - they'll send someone round your house to check you're not wired up (which, let's be fair, is a liberty) & then put you on an exemption list for 2 years. Or, you can ignore the threatening letters and tell all the licensing goons that show up to go fuk emselfs. Which is possibly the more entertaining option. There's a growing trend of people filming there encounters with doorstep licensing goons and posting them onto YouTube. I recommend having a gander - some are hilarious

That's why I think the license days are numbered. There's more and more people exempt (or refusing to pay) and they're actually spending fortunes trying to track them down.

If anyone is thinking of doing this, then please do some research first. I'm no expert and there's a chance (if maybe you or a family have managed to incriminate yourself somehow), that any 'rebellious' action could exacerbate any legal proceedings. Also, I no way, shape or form condone not paying a license fee if you are legitimately receiving live broadcasts.


*I pay from my license, along with a Sky subscription, but I hardly bother watching any live broadcasts so I'm thinking of cancelling.

 


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Quote Hoof Hearted at 13 Nov 2015 11.42am

Still very wasteful with our money... too many levels of management for a start.

But if you add up the good things it does and take off all the bad things it still adds up to a wonderful service that is probably worth the money.

It should be able to pay for itself though by selling it's best programmes abroad, which it does now, but obviously for too low a price.

It also overpays some celebrities too.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (13 Nov 2015 12.02pm)


Graham Norton is worth every penny though.

"Coming out" and supporting one of your own ahhhh, do you want to bum him ?


 


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as long as it continues to fund bbc 6music i have no issues even if they raise the prices.

 


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All the best stuff is on Sky or streaming these days. We used to get comedy like Only Fools, Men Behaving Badly, Reeves & Mortimer, Alan Partridge, Big Train, The Fast Show, Absolutely Fabulous, Bottom and many more. Now it's Mrs Brown's Boys and Russell Howard's Good News. Utter load of bollocks.

 


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Quote Superfly at 13 Nov 2015 12.39pm

Quote Jimenez at 13 Nov 2015 12.07pm

Quote Superfly at 13 Nov 2015 10.14am

I think it's going to go. I agree with everyone here and think it's decent value for money but they're struggling to compete. There's already been talk at the beeb of scrapping the license and going subscription (which I think still negates the need for advertising).

As an aside though, there's word that they've been lying to us about their detector vans & equipment and none of it actually works. The beeb have confirmed that "detection" evidence has NEVER been presented during the prosecution of an alleged license fee evader.

So, adverts like the below were not only fabrications but created deliberately to scare us into buying their product. Aunties protection racket.

[Link]


I think you may be right on this subject Superfly. Whilst working for a shop fitting firm & working away from home I got a visit from the TV detector people my lodger answered the door. Anyway long story short a few weeks later I'm at the magistrates court and while waiting to go in front of the beak I asked a girl coming out of the courtroom what fine she got? 400 quid was her answer. f***ing Hell I thought so when I went in I pleaded guilty to everything with my excuse being that I was working away from home & didn't have time to set up a direct debit with the bank. I then threw my 'curveball' saying the only thing I didn't agree with was that I had a Black & White TV rather than a Colour one. I got fined 35 quid !!!!


I've looked into this a fair bit recently* and (to put it very simply), if you don't incriminate yourself then there's nothing they can do. In the old days it was simple - you've got a telly, so cough up - but now there are so many exemptions that they literally have to get you to confess before they can take any action.

What you can do is either contact the Beeb & tell them you're exempt - they'll send someone round your house to check you're not wired up (which, let's be fair, is a liberty) & then put you on an exemption list for 2 years. Or, you can ignore the threatening letters and tell all the licensing goons that show up to go fuk emselfs. Which is possibly the more entertaining option. There's a growing trend of people filming there encounters with doorstep licensing goons and posting them onto YouTube. I recommend having a gander - some are hilarious

That's why I think the license days are numbered. There's more and more people exempt (or refusing to pay) and they're actually spending fortunes trying to track them down.

If anyone is thinking of doing this, then please do some research first. I'm no expert and there's a chance (if maybe you or a family have managed to incriminate yourself somehow), that any 'rebellious' action could exacerbate any legal proceedings. Also, I no way, shape or form condone not paying a license fee if you are legitimately receiving live broadcasts.


*I pay from my license, along with a Sky subscription, but I hardly bother watching any live broadcasts so I'm thinking of cancelling.

They changed the rules recently which have done away with most of the exemptions. Catch up now requires a licence.

I'd leave it as it is, for funding, but i'm all for getting rid of Eastenders (or anything else that has been going so long that it's become a gravy train) and shows they buy from other production companies, like the Voice was at a ridiculous cost.

 


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Quote Stuk at 13 Nov 2015 3.37pm

Quote Superfly at 13 Nov 2015 12.39pm

Quote Jimenez at 13 Nov 2015 12.07pm

Quote Superfly at 13 Nov 2015 10.14am

I think it's going to go. I agree with everyone here and think it's decent value for money but they're struggling to compete. There's already been talk at the beeb of scrapping the license and going subscription (which I think still negates the need for advertising).

As an aside though, there's word that they've been lying to us about their detector vans & equipment and none of it actually works. The beeb have confirmed that "detection" evidence has NEVER been presented during the prosecution of an alleged license fee evader.

So, adverts like the below were not only fabrications but created deliberately to scare us into buying their product. Aunties protection racket.

[Link]


I think you may be right on this subject Superfly. Whilst working for a shop fitting firm & working away from home I got a visit from the TV detector people my lodger answered the door. Anyway long story short a few weeks later I'm at the magistrates court and while waiting to go in front of the beak I asked a girl coming out of the courtroom what fine she got? 400 quid was her answer. f***ing Hell I thought so when I went in I pleaded guilty to everything with my excuse being that I was working away from home & didn't have time to set up a direct debit with the bank. I then threw my 'curveball' saying the only thing I didn't agree with was that I had a Black & White TV rather than a Colour one. I got fined 35 quid !!!!


I've looked into this a fair bit recently* and (to put it very simply), if you don't incriminate yourself then there's nothing they can do. In the old days it was simple - you've got a telly, so cough up - but now there are so many exemptions that they literally have to get you to confess before they can take any action.

What you can do is either contact the Beeb & tell them you're exempt - they'll send someone round your house to check you're not wired up (which, let's be fair, is a liberty) & then put you on an exemption list for 2 years. Or, you can ignore the threatening letters and tell all the licensing goons that show up to go fuk emselfs. Which is possibly the more entertaining option. There's a growing trend of people filming there encounters with doorstep licensing goons and posting them onto YouTube. I recommend having a gander - some are hilarious

That's why I think the license days are numbered. There's more and more people exempt (or refusing to pay) and they're actually spending fortunes trying to track them down.

If anyone is thinking of doing this, then please do some research first. I'm no expert and there's a chance (if maybe you or a family have managed to incriminate yourself somehow), that any 'rebellious' action could exacerbate any legal proceedings. Also, I no way, shape or form condone not paying a license fee if you are legitimately receiving live broadcasts.


*I pay from my license, along with a Sky subscription, but I hardly bother watching any live broadcasts so I'm thinking of cancelling.

They changed the rules recently which have done away with most of the exemptions. Catch up now requires a licence.

I'd leave it as it is, for funding, but i'm all for getting rid of Eastenders (or anything else that has been going so long that it's become a gravy train) and shows they buy from other production companies, like the Voice was at a ridiculous cost.


Not according to the website. It's only if you're watching or recording TV as it's being broadcast.

If you only ever watch on demand programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on live TV.

[Link]

 


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Quote Superfly at 13 Nov 2015 3.45pm

Quote Stuk at 13 Nov 2015 3.37pm

Quote Superfly at 13 Nov 2015 12.39pm

Quote Jimenez at 13 Nov 2015 12.07pm

Quote Superfly at 13 Nov 2015 10.14am

I think it's going to go. I agree with everyone here and think it's decent value for money but they're struggling to compete. There's already been talk at the beeb of scrapping the license and going subscription (which I think still negates the need for advertising).

As an aside though, there's word that they've been lying to us about their detector vans & equipment and none of it actually works. The beeb have confirmed that "detection" evidence has NEVER been presented during the prosecution of an alleged license fee evader.

So, adverts like the below were not only fabrications but created deliberately to scare us into buying their product. Aunties protection racket.

[Link]


I think you may be right on this subject Superfly. Whilst working for a shop fitting firm & working away from home I got a visit from the TV detector people my lodger answered the door. Anyway long story short a few weeks later I'm at the magistrates court and while waiting to go in front of the beak I asked a girl coming out of the courtroom what fine she got? 400 quid was her answer. f***ing Hell I thought so when I went in I pleaded guilty to everything with my excuse being that I was working away from home & didn't have time to set up a direct debit with the bank. I then threw my 'curveball' saying the only thing I didn't agree with was that I had a Black & White TV rather than a Colour one. I got fined 35 quid !!!!


I've looked into this a fair bit recently* and (to put it very simply), if you don't incriminate yourself then there's nothing they can do. In the old days it was simple - you've got a telly, so cough up - but now there are so many exemptions that they literally have to get you to confess before they can take any action.

What you can do is either contact the Beeb & tell them you're exempt - they'll send someone round your house to check you're not wired up (which, let's be fair, is a liberty) & then put you on an exemption list for 2 years. Or, you can ignore the threatening letters and tell all the licensing goons that show up to go fuk emselfs. Which is possibly the more entertaining option. There's a growing trend of people filming there encounters with doorstep licensing goons and posting them onto YouTube. I recommend having a gander - some are hilarious

That's why I think the license days are numbered. There's more and more people exempt (or refusing to pay) and they're actually spending fortunes trying to track them down.

If anyone is thinking of doing this, then please do some research first. I'm no expert and there's a chance (if maybe you or a family have managed to incriminate yourself somehow), that any 'rebellious' action could exacerbate any legal proceedings. Also, I no way, shape or form condone not paying a license fee if you are legitimately receiving live broadcasts.


*I pay from my license, along with a Sky subscription, but I hardly bother watching any live broadcasts so I'm thinking of cancelling.

They changed the rules recently which have done away with most of the exemptions. Catch up now requires a licence.

I'd leave it as it is, for funding, but i'm all for getting rid of Eastenders (or anything else that has been going so long that it's become a gravy train) and shows they buy from other production companies, like the Voice was at a ridiculous cost.


Not according to the website. It's only if you're watching or recording TV as it's being broadcast.

If you only ever watch on demand programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on live TV.

[Link]

The changes happen next year apparently.

The government is also expected to legislate next year to close a loophole that allows people to avoid paying the licence fee if they only watch catchup television on iPlayer.

[Link]

 


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Quote Stuk at 13 Nov 2015 3.48pm

The changes happen next year apparently.

The government is also expected to legislate next year to close a loophole that allows people to avoid paying the licence fee if they only watch catchup television on iPlayer.

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Cheers, I didn't know that. I'll keep an eye out.

I don't really watch much catch up either so I'll still have a think about it. I'd only ever really miss the odd sporting event/Palace game and the rare occasion I get home in time to see Eggheads.

They'd still have the same existing trouble in enforcing it though (ie, if you just tell them to bog off, there's not much they can do)

 


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Quote Superfly at 13 Nov 2015 3.59pm

Quote Stuk at 13 Nov 2015 3.48pm

The changes happen next year apparently.

The government is also expected to legislate next year to close a loophole that allows people to avoid paying the licence fee if they only watch catchup television on iPlayer.

[Link]


Cheers, I didn't know that. I'll keep an eye out.

I don't really watch much catch up either so I'll still have a think about it. I'd only ever really miss the odd sporting event/Palace game and the rare occasion I get home in time to see Eggheads.

They'd still have the same existing trouble in enforcing it though (ie, if you just tell them to bog off, there's not much they can do)

I remembered reading it and thought it was an instant change but clearly not.

They write to me at my office every now and then, and I reply to say it's an office, and that is the full extent of their "detective" work.

 


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Quote Canterbury Palace at 13 Nov 2015 1.16pm

All the best stuff is on Sky or streaming these days. We used to get comedy like Only Fools, Men Behaving Badly, Reeves & Mortimer, Alan Partridge, Big Train, The Fast Show, Absolutely Fabulous, Bottom and many more. Now it's Mrs Brown's Boys and Russell Howard's Good News. Utter load of bollocks.


I don't know how Mrs Brown's Boys every got on the air. I'd rather watch old Only Fools episodes.

 

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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 13 Nov 2015 8.29am

Quote nhp61 at 13 Nov 2015 12.07am

The BBC used to be something the UK could be proud of. Not any more. Most of it's TV output has been dumbed down considerably, and sometimes becomes an embarrassment. Eastenders, Russell Brand and Charlotte Church on Question Time, the obsession with being PC. The BBC's Diamond Jubilee coverage was an example of how low their standards had become.

If the Beeb became less pro-eu, less pro-immigration, less leftist, less blatantly PC, less reliant on the Guardian for journalistic input, and became much more impartial, then I would be more bothered about abolishing the licence fee.


The Left think that BBC are right wing and the Right think they are left wing. QT has dumbed down but I have some sympathy, they are trying to engage a younger audience. They may (or may not) be making a hash of it but people found the same old politicians being rolled out bloody boring.

The BBC do a superb job, the amount of quality programming that they do is phenomenal.

It is also the one thing that people all over the world listen to for unbiased reporting. Aung San Suu Kyi listened to it all the time she was under house arrest (she may now regret saying how much she loved DLT)

Some of their "odder decisions" in recent years is because they keep being put under pressure about the licence fee e.g. Moving to Salford


In spite of Enders I think the BBC is brilliant and instead of doing the British thing of knocking everything we should be proud of it


That more than rings true.

 

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Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2015 9.09pm

Whilst I agree with Cameron that each should pay their way and whilst feckless striking b******s, lets for no reason say teachers, should be f***ing glad for their lot, I am proud to be patriotic and I am totally against abolishing the licence fee. I, as a British patriot, am proud of the BBC, not just its content that itnprovides me (mainly Test Match Special, podcasts and comedy) but the fact that the BBC has such an important role in the World. I have been told by people in Vietnam and Myanmar that they learnt English through the BBC and are grateful for it.

Therefore, I am happy to continue to pay the licence fee. I think it is value for money and should be continued.

What are your views?

Edited by matt_himself (12 Nov 2015 9.10pm)


The world service is to receive a funding boost.

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