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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jan 16 11.29pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 1.19pm Quote Lyons550 at 21 Nov 2015 9.19am Quote jamiemartin721 at 20 Nov 2015 9.52am Quote Lyons550 at 19 Nov 2015 7.36pm Maybe its time that they did different types of licence fee to cover certain parts of the BBC. A digital pack for Radio and the red button etc That way they'd know for sure what needs to be cut and what needs to be saved Whilst I do think that's a fair standard, my only problem is that you'd lose a lot of the programming and radio that you don't find on commercial stations, which is part of the BBC's appeal. One of the things I like about the BBC is that it does maintain a degree of aesthetic values in its decision making, which has resulted in some very excellent programming that you just don't see on the other broadcast channels (even if I don't personally like it, the idea that the BBC will produce material for 'everyone' rather than just a market demographic). I can't really see Capitol Radio doing Moral Maze or Womens hour (which is surprisingly very good). Completely agree...but at least there'd be a more democratic way of dealing with it i guess...unless they had a 'core' set of programming that would be sacrosanct with the rest open for these packs. I'd willingly pay Ł2-3 a month for 5live alone...which would be 3 times what I currently pay for the whole licence For me, democracy has to include provision for everyone, rather than just the implementation of a 'tyranny' of the majority. I think the BBC manages to achieve a democratic basis, through its very broad and occasionally very eclectic style. Even its news programming, which routinely gets slated by the left and right wing as too biased towards the other side (a sign that its probably about right). Impartial- my arse... The BBC admits it co-ordinated in advance the on-air resignation of Stephen Doughty Yesterday, three Labour front-benchers resigned in protest at Jeremy Corbyn’s minor reshuffle. One of them – the previously unheard of Stephen Doughty – did so live on the Daily Politics just 5 minutes before the start of Prime Minister’s Questions, giving David Cameron the opportunity to bring it up in the chamber. Today, the ‘output editor’ for the Daily Politics, wrote a – now taken down – blog on the BBC website’s ‘Academy’ section*, explaining how it all came about. Apparently, the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg set it all up. From the blog post: Just before 9am we learned from Laura Kuenssberg, who comes on the programme every Wednesday ahead of PMQs, that she was speaking to one junior shadow minister who was considering resigning. I wonder, mused our presenter Andrew Neil, if they would consider doing it live on the show? The question was put to Laura, who thought it was a great idea. Considering it a long shot we carried on the usual work of building the show, and continued speaking to Labour MPs who were confirming reports of a string of shadow ministers considering their positions. Within the hour we heard that Laura had sealed the deal: the shadow foreign minister Stephen Doughty would resign live in the studio. Although he himself would probably acknowledge he isn’t a household name, we knew his resignation just before PMQs would be a dramatic moment with big political impact. We took the presenters aside to brief them on the interview while our colleagues on the news desk arranged for a camera crew to film him and Laura arriving in the studio for the TV news packages. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (07 Jan 2016 11.30pm)
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Maybe its time that they did different types of licence fee to cover certain parts of the BBC. A digital pack for Radio and the red button etc

That way they'd know for sure what needs to be cut and what needs to be saved

Whilst I do think that's a fair standard, my only problem is that you'd lose a lot of the programming and radio that you don't find on commercial stations, which is part of the BBC's appeal. One of the things I like about the BBC is that it does maintain a degree of aesthetic values in its decision making, which has resulted in some very excellent programming that you just don't see on the other broadcast channels (even if I don't personally like it, the idea that the BBC will produce material for 'everyone' rather than just a market demographic).

I can't really see Capitol Radio doing Moral Maze or Womens hour (which is surprisingly very good).

Completely agree...but at least there'd be a more democratic way of dealing with it i guess...unless they had a 'core' set of programming that would be sacrosanct with the rest open for these packs. I'd willingly pay Ł2-3 a month for 5live alone...which would be 3 times what I currently pay for the whole licence

For me, democracy has to include provision for everyone, rather than just the implementation of a 'tyranny' of the majority. I think the BBC manages to achieve a democratic basis, through its very broad and occasionally very eclectic style.

Even its news programming, which routinely gets slated by the left and right wing as too biased towards the other side (a sign that its probably about right).

Impartial- my arse...

The BBC admits it co-ordinated in advance the on-air resignation of Stephen Doughty

Yesterday, three Labour front-benchers resigned in protest at Jeremy Corbyn’s minor reshuffle. One of them – the previously unheard of Stephen Doughty – did so live on the Daily Politics just 5 minutes before the start of Prime Minister’s Questions, giving David Cameron the opportunity to bring it up in the chamber.

Today, the ‘output editor’ for the Daily Politics, wrote a – now taken down – blog on the BBC website’s ‘Academy’ section*, explaining how it all came about.

Apparently, the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg set it all up. From the blog post:

Just before 9am we learned from Laura Kuenssberg, who comes on the programme every Wednesday ahead of PMQs, that she was speaking to one junior shadow minister who was considering resigning. I wonder, mused our presenter Andrew Neil, if they would consider doing it live on the show?

The question was put to Laura, who thought it was a great idea. Considering it a long shot we carried on the usual work of building the show, and continued speaking to Labour MPs who were confirming reports of a string of shadow ministers considering their positions.

Within the hour we heard that Laura had sealed the deal: the shadow foreign minister Stephen Doughty would resign live in the studio.

Although he himself would probably acknowledge he isn’t a household name, we knew his resignation just before PMQs would be a dramatic moment with big political impact. We took the presenters aside to brief them on the interview while our colleagues on the news desk arranged for a camera crew to film him and Laura arriving in the studio for the TV news packages.
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Ray in Houston Houston 08 Jan 16 3.47pm
Quote bubble wrap at 18 Nov 2015 2.31pm Ł16m Saving for cutting Teletext, How does it cost more than a few grand a year in salary for someone to tap out updates. The sooner the BBC is self funded by advertising or product placement/endorecement rather than us being forced to by a licence the better. BBC is run the The Kids Company Charity was, they all dip in when needed. Be careful what you wish for. I have eleventy-thousand channels on my cable package over here, and I can guarantee you that they are all showing commercials whenever you tune in and surf for something to watch. During the last 15 minutes of each hour - when you're hooked into whatever show is reaching its denouement - they cram in 10 minutes of commercials. On some shows/networks, the commercials can get so invasive, that they give you a short recap of where they are in the story, because it's been so long since the show was actually playing. It also means that, in a ridiculous gold rush for ratings (and thereby advertising dollars), they all put their best stuff on at the same time in competition with each other. A DVR solves this issue in the short term, but good shows get cancelled because they aren't quite as good as the competition, while dreck endures in the less popular time slots. Then there's the content itself: it's all the same. Exactly the f**ing same. If one station has a hit show, all the others rush to copy its formula/format. The stations even copy themselves; there's, what...8 NCISs and 20 CSIs? (Incidentally, CSI Alabama failed because it turns out that everyone's DNA is the same and no one has any dental records). Given the pressure to satisfy advertisers with shows that hit the broadest audience, i.e. the lowest common denominator of entertainment, it's left to the pay channels like HBO and Showtime to put out content that is truly different / challenging / entertaining. Of course, you have to pay to get it (or pretend that you do), so your entertainment costs go up or you miss out. So you're going to pay for the good stuff one way or another. HBO and Showtime are $15/month each, or both for $25/month. 25 x 12 = $300 annually, but that's not factoring in that I have to have cable service in the first place, so the overall cost is much higher. How does that compare to a license fee? * HBO has started a standalone internet streaming service so, if you want just HBO, you can get it for $15/month. Other channels may follow suit, but I'm not aware of any as yet. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ł16m Saving for cutting Teletext, How does it cost more than a few grand a year in salary for someone to tap out updates. The sooner the BBC is self funded by advertising or product placement/endorecement rather than us being forced to by a licence the better. BBC is run the The Kids Company Charity was, they all dip in when needed.

Be careful what you wish for. I have eleventy-thousand channels on my cable package over here, and I can guarantee you that they are all showing commercials whenever you tune in and surf for something to watch. During the last 15 minutes of each hour - when you're hooked into whatever show is reaching its denouement - they cram in 10 minutes of commercials. On some shows/networks, the commercials can get so invasive, that they give you a short recap of where they are in the story, because it's been so long since the show was actually playing.

It also means that, in a ridiculous gold rush for ratings (and thereby advertising dollars), they all put their best stuff on at the same time in competition with each other. A DVR solves this issue in the short term, but good shows get cancelled because they aren't quite as good as the competition, while dreck endures in the less popular time slots.

Then there's the content itself: it's all the same. Exactly the f***ing same. If one station has a hit show, all the others rush to copy its formula/format. The stations even copy themselves; there's, what...8 NCISs and 20 CSIs? (Incidentally, CSI Alabama failed because it turns out that everyone's DNA is the same and no one has any dental records).

Given the pressure to satisfy advertisers with shows that hit the broadest audience, i.e. the lowest common denominator of entertainment, it's left to the pay channels like HBO and Showtime to put out content that is truly different / challenging / entertaining. Of course, you have to pay to get it (or pretend that you do), so your entertainment costs go up or you miss out.

So you're going to pay for the good stuff one way or another. HBO and Showtime are $15/month each, or both for $25/month. 25 x 12 = $300 annually, but that's not factoring in that I have to have cable service in the first place*, so the overall cost is much higher. How does that compare to a license fee?

* HBO has started a standalone internet streaming service so, if you want just HBO, you can get it for $15/month. Other channels may follow suit, but I'm not aware of any as yet.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stuk Top half 08 Jan 16 3.56pm
I record almost everything I want to watch now. I hate adverts and I hate "coming up after the break..." even more. Don't tell me, i'll f***ing watch it! The best channel (with ads) for not telling you what will happen after the break, and not telling you what happened before the break, are the Nat Geo channels. Optimistic as ever
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I record almost everything I want to watch now.

I hate adverts and I hate "coming up after the break..." even more. Don't tell me, i'll f***ing watch it!

The best channel (with ads) for not telling you what will happen after the break, and not telling you what happened before the break, are the Nat Geo channels.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 08 Jan 16 3.57pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 11.29pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 1.19pm Quote Lyons550 at 21 Nov 2015 9.19am Quote jamiemartin721 at 20 Nov 2015 9.52am Quote Lyons550 at 19 Nov 2015 7.36pm Maybe its time that they did different types of licence fee to cover certain parts of the BBC. A digital pack for Radio and the red button etc That way they'd know for sure what needs to be cut and what needs to be saved Whilst I do think that's a fair standard, my only problem is that you'd lose a lot of the programming and radio that you don't find on commercial stations, which is part of the BBC's appeal. One of the things I like about the BBC is that it does maintain a degree of aesthetic values in its decision making, which has resulted in some very excellent programming that you just don't see on the other broadcast channels (even if I don't personally like it, the idea that the BBC will produce material for 'everyone' rather than just a market demographic). I can't really see Capitol Radio doing Moral Maze or Womens hour (which is surprisingly very good). Completely agree...but at least there'd be a more democratic way of dealing with it i guess...unless they had a 'core' set of programming that would be sacrosanct with the rest open for these packs. I'd willingly pay Ł2-3 a month for 5live alone...which would be 3 times what I currently pay for the whole licence For me, democracy has to include provision for everyone, rather than just the implementation of a 'tyranny' of the majority. I think the BBC manages to achieve a democratic basis, through its very broad and occasionally very eclectic style. Even its news programming, which routinely gets slated by the left and right wing as too biased towards the other side (a sign that its probably about right). Impartial- my arse... The BBC admits it co-ordinated in advance the on-air resignation of Stephen Doughty Yesterday, three Labour front-benchers resigned in protest at Jeremy Corbyn’s minor reshuffle. One of them – the previously unheard of Stephen Doughty – did so live on the Daily Politics just 5 minutes before the start of Prime Minister’s Questions, giving David Cameron the opportunity to bring it up in the chamber. Today, the ‘output editor’ for the Daily Politics, wrote a – now taken down – blog on the BBC website’s ‘Academy’ section*, explaining how it all came about. Apparently, the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg set it all up. From the blog post: Just before 9am we learned from Laura Kuenssberg, who comes on the programme every Wednesday ahead of PMQs, that she was speaking to one junior shadow minister who was considering resigning. I wonder, mused our presenter Andrew Neil, if they would consider doing it live on the show? The question was put to Laura, who thought it was a great idea. Considering it a long shot we carried on the usual work of building the show, and continued speaking to Labour MPs who were confirming reports of a string of shadow ministers considering their positions. Within the hour we heard that Laura had sealed the deal: the shadow foreign minister Stephen Doughty would resign live in the studio. Although he himself would probably acknowledge he isn’t a household name, we knew his resignation just before PMQs would be a dramatic moment with big political impact. We took the presenters aside to brief them on the interview while our colleagues on the news desk arranged for a camera crew to film him and Laura arriving in the studio for the TV news packages. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (07 Jan 2016 11.30pm) That doesn't make them impartial, it just means they've secured a scoop. Which is quite a big deal in journalism. Optimistic as ever
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Quote nickgusset at 07 Jan 2016 11.29pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 1.19pm

Quote Lyons550 at 21 Nov 2015 9.19am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 20 Nov 2015 9.52am

Quote Lyons550 at 19 Nov 2015 7.36pm

Maybe its time that they did different types of licence fee to cover certain parts of the BBC. A digital pack for Radio and the red button etc

That way they'd know for sure what needs to be cut and what needs to be saved

I can't really see Capitol Radio doing Moral Maze or Womens hour (which is surprisingly very good).

Even its news programming, which routinely gets slated by the left and right wing as too biased towards the other side (a sign that its probably about right).

Impartial- my arse...

The BBC admits it co-ordinated in advance the on-air resignation of Stephen Doughty

Edited by nickgusset (07 Jan 2016 11.30pm)

That doesn't make them impartial, it just means they've secured a scoop. Which is quite a big deal in journalism.

Optimistic as ever

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