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It's Christmas the clue is in the name. You can stick your coca cola Christmas up your arse. It is unbelievable that leading up to Christmas something as simple as the Lords Prayer is not allowed to be advertised but everyone creams their pants over Waitrose / John Lewis whatever adverts. I am not religious but we are a Christian country, why shouldn't the Lord's Prayer be advertised. If it's that big a deal go buy a kiaora whilst it's on. The lords prayer has nothing to do with Christmas. We are not a Christian country either (Church and State were separated hundreds of years ago) and how exactly is a prayer an advert, that seems gauche to me. Should religion even be advertising - what is it selling? This gods is for you? The Unreal thing, St Julian, reaches the spiritual parts other saints cannot reach. Rather absurd, and it demeans the nature and essence of Religion to advertise in a commercial spot. I think you will find we are not a secular country and that our Head of State is also the Head of the State Religion. Actually the head of the state religion is the monarch, not the prime minister, who effectively is the head of state. The monarchy's state power is ceremonial, with very few constitutional powers. The House of Commons and the House of Lords represent the apparatus of state and governance in the UK. The only power the monarch really holds is to dissolve parliament, in theory. In reality that would essentially mean the end of the monarchy. The Queen and future kings only hold a theoretical power in terms of state, a left over relic of a feudal time. Even the establishment of the State Religion, the Church of England, was essentially a means of breaking the Religious authorities influence over the country. The CoE was formed effectively as a means of delivering the power of Church, in the Church and state equation, to the state. We're a secular nation, we have been for a very long time.
She is also "Defender of the Faith"
United Kingdom - The Church of England is the established state religion of England, but there is no established church in Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Two Archbishops and 24 senior diocesan Bishops of the Church of England have seats in the House of Lords (the Lords Spiritual) and they can and do participate in debates and vote in divisions, which involve decisions affecting the entire United Kingdom. Parliament is opened with prayers, in the House of Lords usually led by one of the Lords Spiritual and in the Commons by the Speaker's chaplain. The full term for the expression of the Crown's sovereignty via legislation is the Crown-in-Parliament-under-God. At the coronation, The King or Queen is anointed with consecrated oil by the Archbishop of Canterbury in a service at Westminster Abbey and must swear to maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel, maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law and to maintain and preserve inviolable the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England. Thus though the Church of Ireland is no longer established and the Church of England has been disestablished in Wales to the Church in Wales, the Crown is still bound to protect Protestantism in general in the whole of the United Kingdom by the Coronation Oath and the Bill of Rights, and to protect the Church of Scotland by the Act of Union. All Members of Parliament must declare their allegiance to the Queen in order to take their seat, although it is for the individual MP to decide whether to do so by swearing a religious oath or making a solemn affirmation. Even these guys agree with me.
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What matters is that the vast majority are non religious.
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Quote pefwin at 24 Nov 2015 2.32pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2015 10.13am
Quote pefwin at 23 Nov 2015 8.47pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.09am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 22 Nov 2015 8.26pm
It's Christmas the clue is in the name. You can stick your coca cola Christmas up your arse. It is unbelievable that leading up to Christmas something as simple as the Lords Prayer is not allowed to be advertised but everyone creams their pants over Waitrose / John Lewis whatever adverts. I am not religious but we are a Christian country, why shouldn't the Lord's Prayer be advertised. If it's that big a deal go buy a kiaora whilst it's on. The lords prayer has nothing to do with Christmas. We are not a Christian country either (Church and State were separated hundreds of years ago) and how exactly is a prayer an advert, that seems gauche to me. Should religion even be advertising - what is it selling? This gods is for you? The Unreal thing, St Julian, reaches the spiritual parts other saints cannot reach. Rather absurd, and it demeans the nature and essence of Religion to advertise in a commercial spot. I think you will find we are not a secular country and that our Head of State is also the Head of the State Religion. Actually the head of the state religion is the monarch, not the prime minister, who effectively is the head of state. The monarchy's state power is ceremonial, with very few constitutional powers. The House of Commons and the House of Lords represent the apparatus of state and governance in the UK. The only power the monarch really holds is to dissolve parliament, in theory. In reality that would essentially mean the end of the monarchy. The Queen and future kings only hold a theoretical power in terms of state, a left over relic of a feudal time. Even the establishment of the State Religion, the Church of England, was essentially a means of breaking the Religious authorities influence over the country. The CoE was formed effectively as a means of delivering the power of Church, in the Church and state equation, to the state. We're a secular nation, we have been for a very long time.
She is also "Defender of the Faith"
United Kingdom - The Church of England is the established state religion of England, but there is no established church in Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Two Archbishops and 24 senior diocesan Bishops of the Church of England have seats in the House of Lords (the Lords Spiritual) and they can and do participate in debates and vote in divisions, which involve decisions affecting the entire United Kingdom. Parliament is opened with prayers, in the House of Lords usually led by one of the Lords Spiritual and in the Commons by the Speaker's chaplain. The full term for the expression of the Crown's sovereignty via legislation is the Crown-in-Parliament-under-God. At the coronation, The King or Queen is anointed with consecrated oil by the Archbishop of Canterbury in a service at Westminster Abbey and must swear to maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel, maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law and to maintain and preserve inviolable the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England. Thus though the Church of Ireland is no longer established and the Church of England has been disestablished in Wales to the Church in Wales, the Crown is still bound to protect Protestantism in general in the whole of the United Kingdom by the Coronation Oath and the Bill of Rights, and to protect the Church of Scotland by the Act of Union. All Members of Parliament must declare their allegiance to the Queen in order to take their seat, although it is for the individual MP to decide whether to do so by swearing a religious oath or making a solemn affirmation. Even these guys agree with me. I did state it was the monarch. The capacity of the monarch to establish law, implement new policy or govern is entirely ceremonial. A non-secular Religious state would effectively be a theocratic state. The role of the CoE and Monarch is purely administrative and ceremonial. You're free to believe that makes us a Christian country, or a protestant country, but you'd be massively ignoring how the state operates on a functional or real basis. But at best it presents a case of a theoretical theocratic state.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 24 Nov 15 8.57pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2015 4.02pm
Quote pefwin at 24 Nov 2015 2.32pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2015 10.13am
Quote pefwin at 23 Nov 2015 8.47pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.09am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 22 Nov 2015 8.26pm
It's Christmas the clue is in the name. You can stick your coca cola Christmas up your arse. It is unbelievable that leading up to Christmas something as simple as the Lords Prayer is not allowed to be advertised but everyone creams their pants over Waitrose / John Lewis whatever adverts. I am not religious but we are a Christian country, why shouldn't the Lord's Prayer be advertised. If it's that big a deal go buy a kiaora whilst it's on. The lords prayer has nothing to do with Christmas. We are not a Christian country either (Church and State were separated hundreds of years ago) and how exactly is a prayer an advert, that seems gauche to me. Should religion even be advertising - what is it selling? This gods is for you? The Unreal thing, St Julian, reaches the spiritual parts other saints cannot reach. Rather absurd, and it demeans the nature and essence of Religion to advertise in a commercial spot. I think you will find we are not a secular country and that our Head of State is also the Head of the State Religion. Actually the head of the state religion is the monarch, not the prime minister, who effectively is the head of state. The monarchy's state power is ceremonial, with very few constitutional powers. The House of Commons and the House of Lords represent the apparatus of state and governance in the UK. The only power the monarch really holds is to dissolve parliament, in theory. In reality that would essentially mean the end of the monarchy. The Queen and future kings only hold a theoretical power in terms of state, a left over relic of a feudal time. Even the establishment of the State Religion, the Church of England, was essentially a means of breaking the Religious authorities influence over the country. The CoE was formed effectively as a means of delivering the power of Church, in the Church and state equation, to the state. We're a secular nation, we have been for a very long time.
She is also "Defender of the Faith"
United Kingdom - The Church of England is the established state religion of England, but there is no established church in Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Two Archbishops and 24 senior diocesan Bishops of the Church of England have seats in the House of Lords (the Lords Spiritual) and they can and do participate in debates and vote in divisions, which involve decisions affecting the entire United Kingdom. Parliament is opened with prayers, in the House of Lords usually led by one of the Lords Spiritual and in the Commons by the Speaker's chaplain. The full term for the expression of the Crown's sovereignty via legislation is the Crown-in-Parliament-under-God. At the coronation, The King or Queen is anointed with consecrated oil by the Archbishop of Canterbury in a service at Westminster Abbey and must swear to maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel, maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law and to maintain and preserve inviolable the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England. Thus though the Church of Ireland is no longer established and the Church of England has been disestablished in Wales to the Church in Wales, the Crown is still bound to protect Protestantism in general in the whole of the United Kingdom by the Coronation Oath and the Bill of Rights, and to protect the Church of Scotland by the Act of Union. All Members of Parliament must declare their allegiance to the Queen in order to take their seat, although it is for the individual MP to decide whether to do so by swearing a religious oath or making a solemn affirmation. Even these guys agree with me. I did state it was the monarch. The capacity of the monarch to establish law, implement new policy or govern is entirely ceremonial. A non-secular Religious state would effectively be a theocratic state. The role of the CoE and Monarch is purely administrative and ceremonial. You're free to believe that makes us a Christian country, or a protestant country, but you'd be massively ignoring how the state operates on a functional or real basis. But at best it presents a case of a theoretical theocratic state. I don't need to believe it is. The entirely ceremonial bit is purely an informal arrangement, unless you can cite law in which these Royal responsibilities or prerogatives were repealed. It is almost as annoying as Subjects of the United Kingdom thinking they are Citizens. A lot of this stuff really needs sorting as would I actually go further than the Secular Society's stance as an anti-monarchist. I suppose that if you went to Thailand, you'd come back saying well it looked like a "girl". Purely Administrative differences.
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Quote pefwin at 24 Nov 2015 8.57pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2015 4.02pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2015 10.13am
Quote pefwin at 23 Nov 2015 8.47pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.09am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 22 Nov 2015 8.26pm
It's Christmas the clue is in the name. You can stick your coca cola Christmas up your arse. It is unbelievable that leading up to Christmas something as simple as the Lords Prayer is not allowed to be advertised but everyone creams their pants over Waitrose / John Lewis whatever adverts. I am not religious but we are a Christian country, why shouldn't the Lord's Prayer be advertised. If it's that big a deal go buy a kiaora whilst it's on. The lords prayer has nothing to do with Christmas. We are not a Christian country either (Church and State were separated hundreds of years ago) and how exactly is a prayer an advert, that seems gauche to me. Should religion even be advertising - what is it selling? This gods is for you? The Unreal thing, St Julian, reaches the spiritual parts other saints cannot reach. Rather absurd, and it demeans the nature and essence of Religion to advertise in a commercial spot. I think you will find we are not a secular country and that our Head of State is also the Head of the State Religion. Actually the head of the state religion is the monarch, not the prime minister, who effectively is the head of state. The monarchy's state power is ceremonial, with very few constitutional powers. The House of Commons and the House of Lords represent the apparatus of state and governance in the UK. The only power the monarch really holds is to dissolve parliament, in theory. In reality that would essentially mean the end of the monarchy. The Queen and future kings only hold a theoretical power in terms of state, a left over relic of a feudal time. Even the establishment of the State Religion, the Church of England, was essentially a means of breaking the Religious authorities influence over the country. The CoE was formed effectively as a means of delivering the power of Church, in the Church and state equation, to the state. We're a secular nation, we have been for a very long time.
She is also "Defender of the Faith"
United Kingdom - The Church of England is the established state religion of England, but there is no established church in Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Two Archbishops and 24 senior diocesan Bishops of the Church of England have seats in the House of Lords (the Lords Spiritual) and they can and do participate in debates and vote in divisions, which involve decisions affecting the entire United Kingdom. Parliament is opened with prayers, in the House of Lords usually led by one of the Lords Spiritual and in the Commons by the Speaker's chaplain. The full term for the expression of the Crown's sovereignty via legislation is the Crown-in-Parliament-under-God. At the coronation, The King or Queen is anointed with consecrated oil by the Archbishop of Canterbury in a service at Westminster Abbey and must swear to maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel, maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law and to maintain and preserve inviolable the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England. Thus though the Church of Ireland is no longer established and the Church of England has been disestablished in Wales to the Church in Wales, the Crown is still bound to protect Protestantism in general in the whole of the United Kingdom by the Coronation Oath and the Bill of Rights, and to protect the Church of Scotland by the Act of Union. All Members of Parliament must declare their allegiance to the Queen in order to take their seat, although it is for the individual MP to decide whether to do so by swearing a religious oath or making a solemn affirmation. Even these guys agree with me. I did state it was the monarch. The capacity of the monarch to establish law, implement new policy or govern is entirely ceremonial. A non-secular Religious state would effectively be a theocratic state. The role of the CoE and Monarch is purely administrative and ceremonial. You're free to believe that makes us a Christian country, or a protestant country, but you'd be massively ignoring how the state operates on a functional or real basis. But at best it presents a case of a theoretical theocratic state. I don't need to believe it is. The entirely ceremonial bit is purely an informal arrangement, unless you can cite law in which these Royal responsibilities or prerogatives were repealed. It is almost as annoying as Subjects of the United Kingdom thinking they are Citizens. A lot of this stuff really needs sorting as would I actually go further than the Secular Society's stance as an anti-monarchist. I suppose that if you went to Thailand, you'd come back saying well it looked like a "girl". Purely Administrative differences. As they say, you can't count teeth with your cock. Whilst many laws exist that haven't been repealed the fact that they aren't executed, and never have been, generally makes them moot. Although I dare say I'm similarly inclined towards a secularist republic
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| matt_himself Matataland 25 Nov 15 6.43am |
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Quote pefwin at 24 Nov 2015 8.57pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2015 4.02pm
Quote pefwin at 24 Nov 2015 2.32pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2015 10.13am
Quote pefwin at 23 Nov 2015 8.47pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.09am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 22 Nov 2015 8.26pm
It's Christmas the clue is in the name. You can stick your coca cola Christmas up your arse. It is unbelievable that leading up to Christmas something as simple as the Lords Prayer is not allowed to be advertised but everyone creams their pants over Waitrose / John Lewis whatever adverts. I am not religious but we are a Christian country, why shouldn't the Lord's Prayer be advertised. If it's that big a deal go buy a kiaora whilst it's on. The lords prayer has nothing to do with Christmas. We are not a Christian country either (Church and State were separated hundreds of years ago) and how exactly is a prayer an advert, that seems gauche to me. Should religion even be advertising - what is it selling? This gods is for you? The Unreal thing, St Julian, reaches the spiritual parts other saints cannot reach. Rather absurd, and it demeans the nature and essence of Religion to advertise in a commercial spot. I think you will find we are not a secular country and that our Head of State is also the Head of the State Religion. Actually the head of the state religion is the monarch, not the prime minister, who effectively is the head of state. The monarchy's state power is ceremonial, with very few constitutional powers. The House of Commons and the House of Lords represent the apparatus of state and governance in the UK. The only power the monarch really holds is to dissolve parliament, in theory. In reality that would essentially mean the end of the monarchy. The Queen and future kings only hold a theoretical power in terms of state, a left over relic of a feudal time. Even the establishment of the State Religion, the Church of England, was essentially a means of breaking the Religious authorities influence over the country. The CoE was formed effectively as a means of delivering the power of Church, in the Church and state equation, to the state. We're a secular nation, we have been for a very long time.
She is also "Defender of the Faith"
United Kingdom - The Church of England is the established state religion of England, but there is no established church in Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Two Archbishops and 24 senior diocesan Bishops of the Church of England have seats in the House of Lords (the Lords Spiritual) and they can and do participate in debates and vote in divisions, which involve decisions affecting the entire United Kingdom. Parliament is opened with prayers, in the House of Lords usually led by one of the Lords Spiritual and in the Commons by the Speaker's chaplain. The full term for the expression of the Crown's sovereignty via legislation is the Crown-in-Parliament-under-God. At the coronation, The King or Queen is anointed with consecrated oil by the Archbishop of Canterbury in a service at Westminster Abbey and must swear to maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel, maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law and to maintain and preserve inviolable the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England. Thus though the Church of Ireland is no longer established and the Church of England has been disestablished in Wales to the Church in Wales, the Crown is still bound to protect Protestantism in general in the whole of the United Kingdom by the Coronation Oath and the Bill of Rights, and to protect the Church of Scotland by the Act of Union. All Members of Parliament must declare their allegiance to the Queen in order to take their seat, although it is for the individual MP to decide whether to do so by swearing a religious oath or making a solemn affirmation. Even these guys agree with me. I did state it was the monarch. The capacity of the monarch to establish law, implement new policy or govern is entirely ceremonial. A non-secular Religious state would effectively be a theocratic state. The role of the CoE and Monarch is purely administrative and ceremonial. You're free to believe that makes us a Christian country, or a protestant country, but you'd be massively ignoring how the state operates on a functional or real basis. But at best it presents a case of a theoretical theocratic state. I don't need to believe it is. The entirely ceremonial bit is purely an informal arrangement, unless you can cite law in which these Royal responsibilities or prerogatives were repealed. It is almost as annoying as Subjects of the United Kingdom thinking they are Citizens. A lot of this stuff really needs sorting as would I actually go further than the Secular Society's stance as an anti-monarchist. I suppose that if you went to Thailand, you'd come back saying well it looked like a "girl". Purely Administrative differences.
Have you considered that most people in the country welcome the Royals being head of state, like the status quo and are sick of puesdo left intellectuals telling them how they should live their lives and what we should think? Personally, I like being a subject of the Royals. The system has promoted and protected the rule or law and free speech for centuries. It doesn't need changing.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Nov 15 10.07am |
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Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2015 6.43am
Why does 'a lot of the stuff need sorting'? If it ain't broke don't fix it. The role and power of the monarchy is very limited to ceremonial, so why spend money and resources fixing something that has no issue. No royal is ever going to try to 'overthrow' parliament. I don't like the idea of a monarchy, but honestly they do no actual harm, and have some financial and economic benefit to the UK. Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2015 6.43am
Have you considered that most people in the country welcome the Royals being head of state, like the status quo and are sick of puesdo left intellectuals telling them how they should live their lives and what we should think? I don't think that most people necessarily think of the Queen as the head of state in a literal sense, rather as a symbol of UK state hood and history. I don't see any problem with having a monarchy provided it 'pays for itself' more or less and 'knows its place' Quote matt_himself at 25 Nov 2015 6.43am
Personally, I like being a subject of the Royals. The system has promoted and protected the rule or law and free speech for centuries. It doesn't need changing. I'm not sure so much that the monarchy really played too much role in that, they were largely forced into it, but there is no reasonable grounds for changing it just for the sake of 'being rightous'. I wouldn't care if they went, but there are much more important issues and it does present a nice historical link through a very distant past. I'm all for a republic, but I don't actually see a real need to go through the cost and effort just to affect a cosmetic change to the state.
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| Vaibow vancouver/croydon 26 Nov 15 5.01am |
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I'm more spiritual, than atheist - however, what bemuses me is a preacher can stand in the street and basically spew trash - that's ok, it's freedom of speech. A cinema ad to celebrate life and do good, is banned. There is nothing untoward from the lords prayer.
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Quote Vaibow at 26 Nov 2015 5.01am
I'm more spiritual, than atheist - however, what bemuses me is a preacher can stand in the street and basically spew trash - that's ok, it's freedom of speech. A cinema ad to celebrate life and do good, is banned. There is nothing untoward from the lords prayer. Its not banned, its against the Cinema chains regulations to allow adverts to be used for religious or political messages.
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