Thing is Hoof, I remember going to pubs in N.London in the early ninties to watch bands and get very drunk indeed, and their would be collection buckets handed round some of the unsavoury pubs collecting money for "the cause" which was just another way of saying the IRA.

Nobody did f*** all about that, never made the press, no one said anything about it really, in that area it was common practice.

It just makes me think to what level support for these ISIS wnakers is going on in Islamic strongholds like east and North London, and certain parts of North England (and I include Bedford in North England )

I just hope it's not as widespread and as casually accepted now, as it was back then.

Quite a few pubs down the Oxford road were the same (large Irish community). Though I suspect they won't be collecting money in the boozers for IS.

That's also incorrect - the poll states that 11% of UK Muslims feel sympathetic towards those that want to fight against Western interest - it certainly does not state that they approve of action to fight.

That's an incredibly vague heading for a group of people - I am sympathetic towards those who have Western interests shoved down their throats, and think that is the root cause of a lot of the problems we are facing currently - it doesn't mean I approve of extremism, and it certainly doesn't make me a terrorist.

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It makes 11% of the Muslim population not singing from the same hymn sheet (if you'll excuse the pun) and more likely to be radicalised than the other 89% who are on message with the rest of the UK.

"Western interests shoved down their throats?"

No one begged this group to come and live here and compared to where they have come from we are pretty tolerant encouraging them to keep their faith, build mosques etc.

In pakistan the situation is pretty much be a Muslim or leave the country... have you seen any Cathedrals built there?

So Christianity is in complete unison on all political/religious issues? Nonsense.

And how do you know the message of the rest of the UK? You're assuming that the rest of the UK agrees with your standpoint, which really couldn't be further from the truth. As I said, I sympathise with those in countries who have had their lives ruined by 'Western Interests', and I suspect many other non-muslims feel the same - holding that viewpoint does not make someone a terrorist.

On your second point - I would've thought it was quite clear that the 'Western Interests' point was referring to those in non-Westernized countries - you know, those countries we have invaded, bombed and generally ruined for our own personal gain.

The rise of Islamist movements and survival of corrupt brutal regimes propped up by Western aid and support is in no way related, surely. And none of those Western Interests have ever been involved in bankrolling and exporting extremism.

We've never really learned the lesson of Iran, where in the western support of the Shah's dictatorship was ultimately responsible for the replacement of that regime by the Islamic Revolution. The same is likely on the cards across the middle east.