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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 23 Nov 15 2.05pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Just a fortnight on from what we are told was the trigger for global war against terrorism, the capital of France is again playing host to what will surely be one of the defining challenges of our generation. Yet unlike the terrorist attacks, it's incredibly difficult to see these momentous talks gaining the publicity they deserve.

France, which has been supposedly a symbol of tolerance and 'liberte', have gone ahead and banned all forms of protest and activism ahead of the talks. Where Charlie Hebdo continued to be printed after the attacks on its office, supposedly in defiance against the terrorists, apparently this defiance doesn't stretch to environmental campaigners, a group I highly doubt are high on ISIS' radar.

It's very hard to imagine that the talks will be any more successful than those staged in Copenhagen, which were disastrous. Despite almost universal agreement in the scientific world that rapid change has to be made, across the world major and developing nations are shelving the issue, even as the effects of climate change become more and more conclusive. In Britain, Cameron, who was first elected in 2010 with a f*cking tree as his logo to show how important climate change supposedly was to him, has cut the environmental agency more than any other service. This is a great article on how these cuts are already having a massive effect on the wildlife and environment in this country: [Link]

And also, in a first for me, here's Prince Charles getting it spot on: [Link]

Long after ISIS have disappeared, long after austerity or the EU are major issues, climate change will continue to cause death and destruction across the world. If the c*nts who govern us ever pull their fingers out and sort something out, I really hope it's this.

Edited by serial thriller (23 Nov 2015 2.09pm)

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Quote serial thriller at 23 Nov 2015 2.05pm

Long after ISIS have disappeared, long after austerity or the EU are major issues, climate change will continue to cause death and destruction across the world. If the c*nts who govern us ever pull their fingers out and sort something out, I really hope it's this.

Edited by serial thriller (23 Nov 2015 2.09pm)


Totally agree.
I even chucked an X in the Green box last time out (despite them being total fruit loops) - although it's admittedly a lot easier to do that when you live in an area where Gary Glitter would be elected if he put on a blue rosette.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 23 Nov 15 5.05pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Spot-on. The trouble is that few governments have the courage to face up to what is required to control global warming. In fact is not just governments. A large proportion of the global population are happy to pretend it is not happening.

There are too many vested interests who governments fear upsetting. Vested interests who will come up all sorts of spurious reasons as to why global warming is either not happening or not our fault, and the economic damage that will be done if we tackle the problem head-on.

Can we afford to take the chance that it isn't man-made? Well I for one am not willing to! And, all the actions required to combat global warming all stand up as actions that we should be taking irrespective of global warming - cutting pollution, using more renewable energy, protecting our environment for future generations ...

And if you are worried about migration now, just wait until large swathes of Africa become uninhabitable.

 

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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 23 Nov 15 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Quote Pete53 at 23 Nov 2015 5.05pm

Spot-on. The trouble is that few governments have the courage to face up to what is required to control global warming. In fact is not just governments. A large proportion of the global population are happy to pretend it is not happening.

There are too many vested interests who governments fear upsetting. Vested interests who will come up all sorts of spurious reasons as to why global warming is either not happening or not our fault, and the economic damage that will be done if we tackle the problem head-on.

Can we afford to take the chance that it isn't man-made? Well I for one am not willing to! And, all the actions required to combat global warming all stand up as actions that we should be taking irrespective of global warming - cutting pollution, using more renewable energy, protecting our environment for future generations ...

And if you are worried about migration now, just wait until large swathes of Africa become uninhabitable.


I think you'll find that's always been the case, and always will be.

Get the global population numbers down, that's what causing climate change. The sheer number of humans.

 


Optimistic as ever

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 23 Nov 15 5.17pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Quote Stuk at 23 Nov 2015 5.09pm

Quote Pete53 at 23 Nov 2015 5.05pm

Spot-on. The trouble is that few governments have the courage to face up to what is required to control global warming. In fact is not just governments. A large proportion of the global population are happy to pretend it is not happening.

There are too many vested interests who governments fear upsetting. Vested interests who will come up all sorts of spurious reasons as to why global warming is either not happening or not our fault, and the economic damage that will be done if we tackle the problem head-on.

Can we afford to take the chance that it isn't man-made? Well I for one am not willing to! And, all the actions required to combat global warming all stand up as actions that we should be taking irrespective of global warming - cutting pollution, using more renewable energy, protecting our environment for future generations ...

And if you are worried about migration now, just wait until large swathes of Africa become uninhabitable.


I think you'll find that's always been the case, and always will be.

Get the global population numbers down, that's what causing climate change. The sheer number of humans.


Maybe ISIS aren't such a bad thing after all then. The f*cking hippies.

 

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View dannyh's Profile dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 23 Nov 15 5.22pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Quote DanH at 23 Nov 2015 5.17pm

Quote Stuk at 23 Nov 2015 5.09pm

Quote Pete53 at 23 Nov 2015 5.05pm

Spot-on. The trouble is that few governments have the courage to face up to what is required to control global warming. In fact is not just governments. A large proportion of the global population are happy to pretend it is not happening.

There are too many vested interests who governments fear upsetting. Vested interests who will come up all sorts of spurious reasons as to why global warming is either not happening or not our fault, and the economic damage that will be done if we tackle the problem head-on.

Can we afford to take the chance that it isn't man-made? Well I for one am not willing to! And, all the actions required to combat global warming all stand up as actions that we should be taking irrespective of global warming - cutting pollution, using more renewable energy, protecting our environment for future generations ...

And if you are worried about migration now, just wait until large swathes of Africa become uninhabitable.


I think you'll find that's always been the case, and always will be.

Get the global population numbers down, that's what causing climate change. The sheer number of humans.


Maybe ISIS aren't such a bad thing after all then. I love f*cking hippies.


I bet you do.

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Quote DanH at 23 Nov 2015 5.17pm

Quote Stuk at 23 Nov 2015 5.09pm

Quote Pete53 at 23 Nov 2015 5.05pm

Spot-on. The trouble is that few governments have the courage to face up to what is required to control global warming. In fact is not just governments. A large proportion of the global population are happy to pretend it is not happening.

There are too many vested interests who governments fear upsetting. Vested interests who will come up all sorts of spurious reasons as to why global warming is either not happening or not our fault, and the economic damage that will be done if we tackle the problem head-on.

Can we afford to take the chance that it isn't man-made? Well I for one am not willing to! And, all the actions required to combat global warming all stand up as actions that we should be taking irrespective of global warming - cutting pollution, using more renewable energy, protecting our environment for future generations ...

And if you are worried about migration now, just wait until large swathes of Africa become uninhabitable.


I think you'll find that's always been the case, and always will be.

Get the global population numbers down, that's what causing climate change. The sheer number of humans.


Maybe ISIS aren't such a bad thing after all then. The f*cking hippies.

They're doing sod all in terms of global population. Africa and Asia need to stop averaging 4-8 kids per female.

 


Optimistic as ever

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Quote serial thriller at 23 Nov 2015 2.05pm

Just a fortnight on from what we are told was the trigger for global war against terrorism, the capital of France is again playing host to what will surely be one of the defining challenges of our generation. Yet unlike the terrorist attacks, it's incredibly difficult to see these momentous talks gaining the publicity they deserve.

France, which has been supposedly a symbol of tolerance and 'liberte', have gone ahead and banned all forms of protest and activism ahead of the talks. Where Charlie Hebdo continued to be printed after the attacks on its office, supposedly in defiance against the terrorists, apparently this defiance doesn't stretch to environmental campaigners, a group I highly doubt are high on ISIS' radar.

It's very hard to imagine that the talks will be any more successful than those staged in Copenhagen, which were disastrous. Despite almost universal agreement in the scientific world that rapid change has to be made, across the world major and developing nations are shelving the issue, even as the effects of climate change become more and more conclusive. In Britain, Cameron, who was first elected in 2010 with a f*cking tree as his logo to show how important climate change supposedly was to him, has cut the environmental agency more than any other service. This is a great article on how these cuts are already having a massive effect on the wildlife and environment in this country: [Link]

And also, in a first for me, here's Prince Charles getting it spot on: [Link]

Long after ISIS have disappeared, long after austerity or the EU are major issues, climate change will continue to cause death and destruction across the world. If the c*nts who govern us ever pull their fingers out and sort something out, I really hope it's this.

Edited by serial thriller (23 Nov 2015 2.09pm)

Which is also seen here on the HOL, far more hits and replies on threads discussing whether you wipe sitting down or standing up.

The thing is our generation aren't going to suffer the consequences.

 



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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Nov 15 10.43am

Quote mr. apollo at 25 Nov 2015 9.57am

Quote serial thriller at 23 Nov 2015 2.05pm

Just a fortnight on from what we are told was the trigger for global war against terrorism, the capital of France is again playing host to what will surely be one of the defining challenges of our generation. Yet unlike the terrorist attacks, it's incredibly difficult to see these momentous talks gaining the publicity they deserve.

France, which has been supposedly a symbol of tolerance and 'liberte', have gone ahead and banned all forms of protest and activism ahead of the talks. Where Charlie Hebdo continued to be printed after the attacks on its office, supposedly in defiance against the terrorists, apparently this defiance doesn't stretch to environmental campaigners, a group I highly doubt are high on ISIS' radar.

It's very hard to imagine that the talks will be any more successful than those staged in Copenhagen, which were disastrous. Despite almost universal agreement in the scientific world that rapid change has to be made, across the world major and developing nations are shelving the issue, even as the effects of climate change become more and more conclusive. In Britain, Cameron, who was first elected in 2010 with a f*cking tree as his logo to show how important climate change supposedly was to him, has cut the environmental agency more than any other service. This is a great article on how these cuts are already having a massive effect on the wildlife and environment in this country: [Link]

And also, in a first for me, here's Prince Charles getting it spot on: [Link]

Long after ISIS have disappeared, long after austerity or the EU are major issues, climate change will continue to cause death and destruction across the world. If the c*nts who govern us ever pull their fingers out and sort something out, I really hope it's this.

Edited by serial thriller (23 Nov 2015 2.09pm)

Which is also seen here on the HOL, far more hits and replies on threads discussing whether you wipe sitting down or standing up.

The thing is our generation aren't going to suffer the consequences.

[Link]

A must watch...

 

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Hoof Hearted 25 Nov 15 10.53am

[Link]

India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Nov 15 10.58am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 10.53am

[Link]

India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though.
Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines.
I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any).

 

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Hoof Hearted 25 Nov 15 11.02am

Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 10.58am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 10.53am

[Link]

India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though.
Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines.
I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any).


WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick.

If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal.

I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment.

 

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