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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Nov 15 4.16pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face. Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well. Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm

Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face.

Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well.

Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 25 Nov 15 4.23pm
Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face. Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well. Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take. There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages? the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 25 Nov 15 4.23pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm

Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face.

Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well.

Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take.

There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages?

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 25 Nov 15 4.44pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face. Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well. Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take. There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages? Agree - but is tax payers (government don't have any money of their own) that are subsiding companies. Likewise housing benefit allows landlords to receive much higher - and unrealistic - rents than otherwise would be obtainable.
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Banstead Surrey 25 Nov 15 4.44pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm

Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face.

Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well.

Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take.

There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages?

Agree - but is tax payers (government don't have any money of their own) that are subsiding companies. Likewise housing benefit allows landlords to receive much higher - and unrealistic - rents than otherwise would be obtainable.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 25 Nov 15 4.46pm
Quote rob1969 at 25 Nov 2015 4.44pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face. Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well. Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take. There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages? Agree - but is tax payers (government don't have any money of their own) that are subsiding companies. Likewise housing benefit allows landlords to receive much higher - and unrealistic - rents than otherwise would be obtainable. Agreed the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 25 Nov 15 4.46pm

Quote rob1969 at 25 Nov 2015 4.44pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm

Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face.

Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well.

Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take.

There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages?

Agreed

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Nov 15 5.07pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face. Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well. Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take. There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages? It's a tough one, to be sure. The cost of living, with uncontrolled rents, profit-driven energy companies, high water bills, mad rail fares etc, is pretty high these days and it won't generally be the employers fault for that, so making them pay higher wages, especially small businesses with low profit margins, would just be papering over the economic cracks as would have been taking away the tax credits for so many. Both disastrous. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 25 Nov 15 5.07pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm

Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face.

Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well.

Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take.

There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages?

It's a tough one, to be sure. The cost of living, with uncontrolled rents, profit-driven energy companies, high water bills, mad rail fares etc, is pretty high these days and it won't generally be the employers fault for that, so making them pay higher wages, especially small businesses with low profit margins, would just be papering over the economic cracks as would have been taking away the tax credits for so many. Both disastrous.

Big chest and massive boobs

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becky over the moon 25 Nov 15 11.00pm
One rotten cut sneaked in there - trainee nurses, midwives and OPD's will lose their bursary (�400 per month) and be put on a student loan basis. Now given that as well as their academic studies (degree course for all disciplines) they have to spend 37.5 hours per week on placement in the hospital, they simply have no time to take on additional paid work to fund themselves through training. Given that the NHS is already constantly bemoaning the lack of properly qualified nurses (and having to run recruitment sessions to bring on overseas staff), how is this going to help the situation? My Goddaughter has just started her OPD course and has said that she will not be doing year 2 if this comes in - with 3 children she simply cannot afford a student loan - and apparently over half of those on her course have said the same! Nice one, George! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 25 Nov 15 11.00pm

One rotten cut sneaked in there - trainee nurses, midwives and OPD's will lose their bursary (�400 per month) and be put on a student loan basis.

Now given that as well as their academic studies (degree course for all disciplines) they have to spend 37.5 hours per week on placement in the hospital, they simply have no time to take on additional paid work to fund themselves through training. Given that the NHS is already constantly bemoaning the lack of properly qualified nurses (and having to run recruitment sessions to bring on overseas staff), how is this going to help the situation?

My Goddaughter has just started her OPD course and has said that she will not be doing year 2 if this comes in - with 3 children she simply cannot afford a student loan - and apparently over half of those on her course have said the same!

Nice one, George!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 25 Nov 15 11.18pm
This is a centrist spending review at best. To me, this is a betrayal of their manifesto. They were elected on a basis of economic competence and deficit reduction but at the first sniff of an upgrade in forecasts he has, instead of bringing the deficit down more quickly, decided to stretch out spending cuts for political gain. Osborne, after the tax credit debacle and now this shambles, should be sacked. Had full confidence in him six months ago, he seems to have lost the plot. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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This is a centrist spending review at best. To me, this is a betrayal of their manifesto. They were elected on a basis of economic competence and deficit reduction but at the first sniff of an upgrade in forecasts he has, instead of bringing the deficit down more quickly, decided to stretch out spending cuts for political gain.

Osborne, after the tax credit debacle and now this shambles, should be sacked. Had full confidence in him six months ago, he seems to have lost the plot.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Hoof Hearted 26 Nov 15 10.53am
Quote We are goin up! at 25 Nov 2015 2.28pm Oh my god. I'm a bit behind but did John McDonnell just pull out Chairman Mao's Little Red Book???!!! Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Labour. Hahahahahahahahaha. Hahahaha. Lol. f***ing clown. Edited by We are goin up! (25 Nov 2015 2.28pm) Unbelievable. Labour for once had the opportunity to score points and gain many voters by pointing out that their lobbying/strategy had forced a government rethink on a very unpopular policy. Then he does that during his speech?.... Osborne seized the initiative right back and made McDonnell look stupid with comments like "Look, there's writing on the inside cover - it must be his own signed copy!" This will come back many times to haunt Labour just like the note at the Treasury saying all the money had gone. Corbyn and McDonell really are the Chuckle Brothers and are making Miliband/Balls look intelligent.
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Hoof Hearted 26 Nov 15 10.53am

Quote We are goin up! at 25 Nov 2015 2.28pm

Oh my god. I'm a bit behind but did John McDonnell just pull out Chairman Mao's Little Red Book???!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Labour.

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Hahahaha.

Lol.

f***ing clown.

Edited by We are goin up! (25 Nov 2015 2.28pm)

Unbelievable.

Labour for once had the opportunity to score points and gain many voters by pointing out that their lobbying/strategy had forced a government rethink on a very unpopular policy.

Then he does that during his speech?.... Osborne seized the initiative right back and made McDonnell look stupid with comments like "Look, there's writing on the inside cover - it must be his own signed copy!"

This will come back many times to haunt Labour just like the note at the Treasury saying all the money had gone.

Corbyn and McDonell really are the Chuckle Brothers and are making Miliband/Balls look intelligent.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Nov 15 11.29am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face. Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well. Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take. There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages? Because the state works for corporate interests, not the people who elect the government (Labour did the same). Government has the capacity to control wages at least at the low end of the spectrum but hasn't. It never even linked minimum wage to inflation (unlike benefits which are influenced by inflation). This incidentally is why many people are worse off working, than being on welfare. Not because they're feckless or workshy, they just can't afford to work. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 26 Nov 15 11.29am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm

Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face.

Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well.

Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take.

There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages?

Because the state works for corporate interests, not the people who elect the government (Labour did the same). Government has the capacity to control wages at least at the low end of the spectrum but hasn't. It never even linked minimum wage to inflation (unlike benefits which are influenced by inflation).

This incidentally is why many people are worse off working, than being on welfare. Not because they're feckless or workshy, they just can't afford to work.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Nov 15 11.40am
Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 5.07pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face. Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well. Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take. There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages? It's a tough one, to be sure. The cost of living, with uncontrolled rents, profit-driven energy companies, high water bills, mad rail fares etc, is pretty high these days and it won't generally be the employers fault for that, so making them pay higher wages, especially small businesses with low profit margins, would just be papering over the economic cracks as would have been taking away the tax credits for so many. Both disastrous. Companies that cannot afford to actually employee their employees, aren't viable businesses, and are retaining a market share and profitability based on a false premise that they are a viable business (and surviving on state welfare payments). Companies that operate on low profit margins are doomed Keeping them in business isn't viable as a long term goal. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 26 Nov 15 11.40am

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 5.07pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm

Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face.

Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well.

Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take.

There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages?

Companies that cannot afford to actually employee their employees, aren't viable businesses, and are retaining a market share and profitability based on a false premise that they are a viable business (and surviving on state welfare payments).

Companies that operate on low profit margins are doomed

Keeping them in business isn't viable as a long term goal.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 26 Nov 15 12.44pm
Quote becky at 25 Nov 2015 11.00pm One rotten cut sneaked in there - trainee nurses, midwives and OPD's will lose their bursary (�400 per month) and be put on a student loan basis. Now given that as well as their academic studies (degree course for all disciplines) they have to spend 37.5 hours per week on placement in the hospital, they simply have no time to take on additional paid work to fund themselves through training. Given that the NHS is already constantly bemoaning the lack of properly qualified nurses (and having to run recruitment sessions to bring on overseas staff), how is this going to help the situation? My Goddaughter has just started her OPD course and has said that she will not be doing year 2 if this comes in - with 3 children she simply cannot afford a student loan - and apparently over half of those on her course have said the same! Nice one, George! Well said and spot on, My daughter is applying for a midwifery course for next September and is now having second thought because of this. It is a full time 5 days a week course (Which will involve shift work), you are advised not to take part time work to fund yourself as it is so full on. Please sign the petition below. Thank you. [Link] I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.
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Quote becky at 25 Nov 2015 11.00pm

One rotten cut sneaked in there - trainee nurses, midwives and OPD's will lose their bursary (�400 per month) and be put on a student loan basis.

Nice one, George!

Well said and spot on, My daughter is applying for a midwifery course for next September and is now having second thought because of this. It is a full time 5 days a week course (Which will involve shift work), you are advised not to take part time work to fund yourself as it is so full on. Please sign the petition below. Thank you.

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I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 26 Nov 15 4.12pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Nov 2015 11.40am Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 5.07pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face. Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well. Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take. There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages? It's a tough one, to be sure. The cost of living, with uncontrolled rents, profit-driven energy companies, high water bills, mad rail fares etc, is pretty high these days and it won't generally be the employers fault for that, so making them pay higher wages, especially small businesses with low profit margins, would just be papering over the economic cracks as would have been taking away the tax credits for so many. Both disastrous. Companies that cannot afford to actually employee their employees, aren't viable businesses, and are retaining a market share and profitability based on a false premise that they are a viable business (and surviving on state welfare payments). Companies that operate on low profit margins are doomed Keeping them in business isn't viable as a long term goal. Agree - Also 'subsidies' discourages efficiency. Many businesses in Germany are successful as they have to be very efficient because of high employee costs. A few businesses may go to the wall - but many more will not.
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Banstead Surrey 26 Nov 15 4.12pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Nov 2015 11.40am

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 5.07pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.23pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Nov 2015 4.16pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Nov 2015 4.06pm

Glad he has scrapped tax Credits, he was right to identify the problem but the solultion was arse about face.

Haven't seen much other than the headlines, seems to have done quite well.

Is there a problem with tax credits? It's a financial lifeline for low-paid workers (and family) and definitely not a benefit p1ss take.

There is a massive problem in my opinion. Why are the government subsidising companies paying low wages?

Companies that operate on low profit margins are doomed

Keeping them in business isn't viable as a long term goal.

Agree - Also 'subsidies' discourages efficiency.
Many businesses in Germany are successful as they have to be very efficient because of high employee costs.
A few businesses may go to the wall - but many more will not.

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