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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Dec 15 10.34am
Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Dec 2015 10.27am Quote nickgusset at 21 Dec 2015 9.47am What would be nice in the campaign is some form of unbiased, rhetoric free and put in layman's terms detail of the pros and cons of staying or leaving. To be honest, I don't know if we should stay or go. No one can look into crystal balls and predict the future. It comes down to how you see this nation and its place in the world allied with how you think the EU is going. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2015 10.28am) I think the eu should be more geared to protecting workers rights
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Shizzlehurst 21 Dec 15 10.34am

Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Dec 2015 10.27am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Dec 2015 9.47am

What would be nice in the campaign is some form of unbiased, rhetoric free and put in layman's terms detail of the pros and cons of staying or leaving.
To be honest, I don't know if we should stay or go.

No one can look into crystal balls and predict the future.

It comes down to how you see this nation and its place in the world allied with how you think the EU is going.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2015 10.28am)

I think the eu should be more geared to protecting workers rights

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Hoof Hearted 21 Dec 15 10.38am
Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Dec 2015 10.27am Quote nickgusset at 21 Dec 2015 9.47am What would be nice in the campaign is some form of unbiased, rhetoric free and put in layman's terms detail of the pros and cons of staying or leaving. To be honest, I don't know if we should stay or go. No one can look into crystal balls and predict the future. It comes down to how you see this nation and its place in the world allied with how you think the EU is going. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2015 10.28am) To be fair we were lied to in 1975 which led to us joining the EU. Back then the EU was referred to as the "Common Market" and was presented as a trading club between the richer northern countries of Europe. If any of us were told it was going to be a political union (or federal state) with us subsidising the smaller countries and being made to adhere to unworkable laws dictated from undemocratically-elected bureaucrats in Brussels.... none of us would have voted for it. The UK was a much different place back in 1975. For me it hasn't changed for the better.
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Hoof Hearted 21 Dec 15 10.38am

Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Dec 2015 10.27am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Dec 2015 9.47am

No one can look into crystal balls and predict the future.

It comes down to how you see this nation and its place in the world allied with how you think the EU is going.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2015 10.28am)

To be fair we were lied to in 1975 which led to us joining the EU.

Back then the EU was referred to as the "Common Market" and was presented as a trading club between the richer northern countries of Europe. If any of us were told it was going to be a political union (or federal state) with us subsidising the smaller countries and being made to adhere to unworkable laws dictated from undemocratically-elected bureaucrats in Brussels.... none of us would have voted for it.

The UK was a much different place back in 1975.

For me it hasn't changed for the better.

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Hoof Hearted 21 Dec 15 2.06pm
Europhile:Euphemism for leftwing Socialism?
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Europhile:Euphemism for leftwing Socialism?

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Kermit8 Hevon 21 Dec 15 3.55pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Dec 2015 10.01am Quote We are goin up! at 21 Dec 2015 9.02am Quote Kermit8 at 20 Dec 2015 9.11pm Says ex-PM John Major [Link] Didn't John Major say the same about exiting the ERM? He was also more interested in getting into Edwina Curry's knickers than running the country when he was PM. His endorsement of the campaign to stay in the EU together with Blair and Brown is pretty much my confirmation to vote to get out. I'm ashamed that Major was a Conservative - he has to be one of the worst PM's in my living history! No wonder you only voted for him twice then. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Dec 2015 10.01am

Quote We are goin up! at 21 Dec 2015 9.02am

Quote Kermit8 at 20 Dec 2015 9.11pm

Says ex-PM John Major

[Link]

Didn't John Major say the same about exiting the ERM?

He was also more interested in getting into Edwina Curry's knickers than running the country when he was PM.

His endorsement of the campaign to stay in the EU together with Blair and Brown is pretty much my confirmation to vote to get out.

I'm ashamed that Major was a Conservative - he has to be one of the worst PM's in my living history!

No wonder you only voted for him twice then.

Big chest and massive boobs

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suicideatselhurst crawley 21 Dec 15 8.33pm
Quote nickgusset at 21 Dec 2015 9.47am What would be nice in the campaign is some form of unbiased, rhetoric free and put in layman's terms detail of the pros and cons of staying or leaving. To be honest, I don't know if we should stay or go. trust you to get a clash song in there Theres someone in my head ... But its not me X/Box game Tag bazcpfc1961, clan (HMS)
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crawley 21 Dec 15 8.33pm

Quote nickgusset at 21 Dec 2015 9.47am

What would be nice in the campaign is some form of unbiased, rhetoric free and put in layman's terms detail of the pros and cons of staying or leaving.
To be honest, I don't know if we should stay or go.

trust you to get a clash song in there

Theres someone in my head ... But its not me

X/Box game Tag bazcpfc1961, clan (HMS)

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 21 Dec 15 8.44pm
Brussels are the 'Head Office' and we are purely 'a branch'. We voted for it, don't you remember Dave going there with his begging bowl should tell everyone all they need to know. Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 21 Dec 15 8.44pm

Brussels are the 'Head Office' and we are purely 'a branch'. We voted for it, don't you remember
Dave going there with his begging bowl should tell everyone all they need to know.

Time to move forward together.

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NickRobinson 21 Dec 15 10.56pm
"Never join an organisation" [Georges Braque]
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NickRobinson

21 Dec 15 10.56pm

"Never join an organisation" [Georges Braque]

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 21 Dec 15 11.04pm
This irrelevant thread has 3x the amount of the one that truly matters. No wonder we're in the shape we are in. Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 21 Dec 15 11.04pm

This irrelevant thread has 3x the amount of the one that truly matters.
No wonder we're in the shape we are in.

Time to move forward together.

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 21 Dec 15 11.18pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Dec 2015 10.38am Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Dec 2015 10.27am Quote nickgusset at 21 Dec 2015 9.47am What would be nice in the campaign is some form of unbiased, rhetoric free and put in layman's terms detail of the pros and cons of staying or leaving. To be honest, I don't know if we should stay or go. No one can look into crystal balls and predict the future. It comes down to how you see this nation and its place in the world allied with how you think the EU is going. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2015 10.28am) To be fair we were lied to in 1975 which led to us joining the EU. Back then the EU was referred to as the "Common Market" and was presented as a trading club between the richer northern countries of Europe. If any of us were told it was going to be a political union (or federal state) with us subsidising the smaller countries and being made to adhere to unworkable laws dictated from undemocratically-elected bureaucrats in Brussels.... none of us would have voted for it. The UK was a much different place back in 1975. For me it hasn't changed for the better. Of course we were lied to - by both sides. But we held a mock election at Balgowan Primary School in Beckenham . The 'no' candidate, who was all of 11 years old, stood on a platform that this was the thin end of the wedge of a federal Europe. So let's not re-write history and say that the F word did not exist pre-Maastricht. Federalism was already an issue in 1975, at least at primary school level. We still voted in favour, by the way. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 21 Dec 15 11.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Dec 2015 10.38am

Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Dec 2015 10.27am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Dec 2015 9.47am

No one can look into crystal balls and predict the future.

It comes down to how you see this nation and its place in the world allied with how you think the EU is going.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2015 10.28am)

To be fair we were lied to in 1975 which led to us joining the EU.

The UK was a much different place back in 1975.

For me it hasn't changed for the better.

Of course we were lied to - by both sides. But we held a mock election at Balgowan Primary School in Beckenham . The 'no' candidate, who was all of 11 years old, stood on a platform that this was the thin end of the wedge of a federal Europe.

So let's not re-write history and say that the F word did not exist pre-Maastricht.

Federalism was already an issue in 1975, at least at primary school level. We still voted in favour, by the way.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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snytaxx London 22 Dec 15 8.31am
Quote -TUX- at 21 Dec 2015 11.04pm This irrelevant thread has 3x the amount of the one that truly matters. No wonder we're in the shape we are in. Any yet you choose to add to it? Textbook attempt at closing down an argument.
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London 22 Dec 15 8.31am

Quote -TUX- at 21 Dec 2015 11.04pm

This irrelevant thread has 3x the amount of the one that truly matters.
No wonder we're in the shape we are in.

Any yet you choose to add to it?

Textbook attempt at closing down an argument.

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the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 22 Dec 15 9.34am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Dec 2015 2.06pm Europhile:Euphemism for leftwing Socialism? Wrong, I'm afraid. I'm left leaning and I know the all-out socialists are already (and increasingly) anti-EU. That is mainly to do with that the free (pan-European) market is allowing corporations to profit at the expense of the average worker. Which is true, to some extent. The Blairite neo-liberals you can say that about. But the socialists, not so much.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Dec 2015 2.06pm

Europhile:Euphemism for leftwing Socialism?

Wrong, I'm afraid. I'm left leaning and I know the all-out socialists are already (and increasingly) anti-EU. That is mainly to do with that the free (pan-European) market is allowing corporations to profit at the expense of the average worker. Which is true, to some extent.

The Blairite neo-liberals you can say that about. But the socialists, not so much.

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Hoof Hearted 22 Dec 15 11.53am
Quote the_mcanuff_stuff at 22 Dec 2015 9.34am Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Dec 2015 2.06pm Europhile:Euphemism for leftwing Socialism? Wrong, I'm afraid. I'm left leaning and I know the all-out socialists are already (and increasingly) anti-EU. That is mainly to do with that the free (pan-European) market is allowing corporations to profit at the expense of the average worker. Which is true, to some extent. The Blairite neo-liberals you can say that about. But the socialists, not so much. WHOOOOOOSH..... I was sort of taking the p1ss out of the thread title and Kermy not really making a serious point FFS!
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Hoof Hearted 22 Dec 15 11.53am

Quote the_mcanuff_stuff at 22 Dec 2015 9.34am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Dec 2015 2.06pm

Europhile:Euphemism for leftwing Socialism?

The Blairite neo-liberals you can say that about. But the socialists, not so much.

WHOOOOOOSH..... I was sort of taking the p1ss out of the thread title and Kermy not really making a serious point FFS!

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