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Hoof Hearted 30 Dec 15 1.29pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.25pm

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Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



Blasphemy it is Bob!

Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect!

Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.


Respect has nothing to do with it. It's about reality.

All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.


I've heard all of them live and they can play.

 

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Dec 2015 10.42am

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.


I'd stand by this, the guy simply is an amazing guitarist, although he's never really been interested in playing professionally (ok better might be overstating it, but he can play Jimmy's stuff note perfect). That said, I'd rather watch Jimi strut his stuff and kick out the jams.

And I love Hendrix.


Strutting stuff is not guitar playing . That is performance.
And the fact that your mate can play Hendrix in his sleep should tell you something...unless you choose to believe the improbable.

I happen to be somewhat connected in the guitar world so I know what I'm talking about.

 

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Dec 2015 1.29pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.25pm

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Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



Blasphemy it is Bob!

Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect!

Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.


Respect has nothing to do with it. It's about reality.

All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.


I've heard all of them live and they can play.


Yes me too, and they can all play rock/blues to a professional standard on stage but all things are relative.
If you think that bands don't use session players then you need to do more research.

 

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Dec 2015 10.22pm


Perhaps, but an advocate of classical music would probably say that, with some justification, about Velvet Underground or indeed any other acclaimed contemporary music.

It is the same as when people claim that Eric Clapton or Jimmi Hendrix are the greatest ever guitarists when their talents pale compared to many other relative unknowns.
It is just people who are totally unqualified, or following the herd to avoid appearing stupid, expressing an opinion.

You could also apply this to the Apple lovers out there....


 


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Always thought Mark King was a superb guitarist

 


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Hoof Hearted 31 Dec 15 11.17am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.40pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Dec 2015 1.29pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.25pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Dec 2015 12.13pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



Blasphemy it is Bob!

Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect!

Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.


Respect has nothing to do with it. It's about reality.

All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.


I've heard all of them live and they can play.


Yes me too, and they can all play rock/blues to a professional standard on stage but all things are relative.
If you think that bands don't use session players then you need to do more research.


I guess the session players must have been hiding behind the speaker stack or curtains when I saw these live gigs?

They weren't on stage?

I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating?

Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL

 

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.40pm

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.25pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Dec 2015 12.13pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



Blasphemy it is Bob!

Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect!

Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.


Respect has nothing to do with it. It's about reality.

All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.


I've heard all of them live and they can play.


Yes me too, and they can all play rock/blues to a professional standard on stage but all things are relative.
If you think that bands don't use session players then you need to do more research.


I guess the session players must have been hiding behind the speaker stack or curtains when I saw these live gigs?

They weren't on stage?

I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating?

Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL


Dude. In a live performance you only hear it once. You don't really notice mistakes. In the studio for a number of reasons they might use session players. That doesn't necessarily mean the artist can't play but perhaps not the really tricky bits or sometimes it's just that they are not "available". On live albums most are overdubbed to fix the mistakes and fluff it up a bit. Trust me on this.

Just to clarify. No one has said that Clapton or Hendrix can't play. It's just that there are many much better players that I'm sure you have never heard of.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Dec 2015 12.29pm)

 

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Always thought Mark King was a superb guitarist


He was a bassist.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Dec 15 1.16pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 31 Dec 2015 11.17am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.40pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Dec 2015 1.29pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.25pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Dec 2015 12.13pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



Blasphemy it is Bob!

Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect!

Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.


Respect has nothing to do with it. It's about reality.

All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.


I've heard all of them live and they can play.


Yes me too, and they can all play rock/blues to a professional standard on stage but all things are relative.
If you think that bands don't use session players then you need to do more research.


I guess the session players must have been hiding behind the speaker stack or curtains when I saw these live gigs?

They weren't on stage?

I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating?

Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL

Hrolf is right, session musicians often fill in and take lead in recording sessions, for any number of reasons and the process of recording can be very different than playing live.

Also there is a financial element - The art of a good session musician is the ability to get it right first time or second time. Where as people I know who are in bands are terrible 'fiddlers' of music when they're recording their own stuff. From a record companies perspective you don't want a band to be 'fiddling around' with tracks when you're paying for studio time - and a good session musician will hear a song once, be able to play it back perfectly, whilst the writer is still mastering the song.

Of course by the time they go on tour, you've probably mastered the song entirely anyhow.

Hrolf is probably right, that session musicians often rank among the unknown heroes of music, along with producers, and their talent goes unnoticed - if not unrewarded (hell some professional musicians). Sometimes, they even form bands themselves (If I remember rightly Garbage were formed from session musicians and production staff members, and I think Led Zeppelin might have met that way - Page was a session musician firstly).


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Dec 15 1.17pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 31 Dec 2015 12.30pm

Quote Lyons550 at 30 Dec 2015 2.05pm

Always thought Mark King was a superb guitarist


He was a bassist.

The most underappreciated of rock musicians, the bass player, one up from roadie on the groupie list.


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 31 Dec 2015 1.16pm

Page was a session musician firstly).



Apparently, he played the lead guitar on The Who's I Can't Explain coz Pete couldn't suss it (despite writing it!)

 


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Hoof Hearted 31 Dec 15 1.33pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 31 Dec 2015 12.28pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 31 Dec 2015 11.17am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.40pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Dec 2015 1.29pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 30 Dec 2015 1.25pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Dec 2015 12.13pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 29 Dec 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm

I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



Blasphemy it is Bob!

Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect!

Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.


Respect has nothing to do with it. It's about reality.

All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.


I've heard all of them live and they can play.


Yes me too, and they can all play rock/blues to a professional standard on stage but all things are relative.
If you think that bands don't use session players then you need to do more research.


I guess the session players must have been hiding behind the speaker stack or curtains when I saw these live gigs?

They weren't on stage?

I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating?

Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL


Dude. In a live performance you only hear it once. You don't really notice mistakes. In the studio for a number of reasons they might use session players. That doesn't necessarily mean the artist can't play but perhaps not the really tricky bits or sometimes it's just that they are not "available". On live albums most are overdubbed to fix the mistakes and fluff it up a bit. Trust me on this.

Just to clarify. No one has said that Clapton or Hendrix can't play. It's just that there are many much better players that I'm sure you have never heard of.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Dec 2015 12.29pm)


What do you think to this?

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(Actually the drummer steals the show for me... he's fcuking right on it).

PS - What makes you so confident that you know more better guitarists than me?

All I've done is to express my thoughts that Hendrix was being unfairly portrayed on this thread and not proclaimed him as the Don of Dons.

You talk a good game, but not having observed my personal life experiences you cannot be sure of anything about me - be it my knowledge of guitarists or my ability to perform brain surgery.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (31 Dec 2015 1.56pm)

 

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