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View rob1969's Profile rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 03 Feb 16 9.56pm Send a Private Message to rob1969 Add rob1969 as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Read it back:... "Hmm..business leaders generally think we are better off in the EU than we would be if we left. Do you have any info to genuinely undermine their position? Why exactly would be be better off economically if we left. Facts only please."

If you would - Make the case against. Ta. Not long to go. The referendum might be brought forward to June.

Also, if you could inform me as to why they are being 'cunds' also in this particular instance then I will bow to your greater knowledge.

Not sure where in this thread anyone has stated that the UK would be better off economically if we left the EU.
The probability is that UK trade would be largely unaffected as the EU need to sell into the UK market as much - or maybe even more - than we need theirs.
Are you able to provide any other distinct advantage - other than your dubious economic one - in remaining in the EU ?

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Hoof Hearted 04 Feb 16 12.40pm

Radio 4 Today Programme had a section about the planned referendum and Cameron's attempts to change the benefits payments situation for the UK by negotiating with our EU partners.

They went to Portsmouth and interviewed loads of migrants from Poland and the rest of Eastern European migrants.

To a man, all of them said they would still come here if there were no benefits ever as life in general is better and pay is much higher.

It seems that if Cameron hopes his negotiations will create a major reduction in migrants beating a path to the UK to live and work he is sadly mistaken.

Vote OUT

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Feb 16 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Radio 4 Today Programme had a section about the planned referendum and Cameron's attempts to change the benefits payments situation for the UK by negotiating with our EU partners.

They went to Portsmouth and interviewed loads of migrants from Poland and the rest of Eastern European migrants.

To a man, all of them said they would still come here if there were no benefits ever as life in general is better and pay is much higher.

It seems that if Cameron hopes his negotiations will create a major reduction in migrants beating a path to the UK to live and work he is sadly mistaken.

Vote OUT

Hoof Hearted

You and I are "Singing from the same hymn sheet" on this one.

See you at the "Vote Leave" stall in Lancing on Saturday ! I suspect that the referendum will be 23rd June.

VOTE LEAVE

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 04 Feb 16 2.41pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Radio 4 Today Programme had a section about the planned referendum and Cameron's attempts to change the benefits payments situation for the UK by negotiating with our EU partners.

They went to Portsmouth and interviewed loads of migrants from Poland and the rest of Eastern European migrants.

To a man, all of them said they would still come here if there were no benefits ever as life in general is better and pay is much higher.

It seems that if Cameron hopes his negotiations will create a major reduction in migrants beating a path to the UK to live and work he is sadly mistaken.

Vote OUT

Totally agree Hoof,we need vote out to control the numbers of people coming here.
When are people going to realise that mass immigration does the indeginas people no good at all.
In fact it does the exact opposite that the left want it to.
Eastern Europeans,or any migrants will work for less,they live in houses that they all pay for....if you have ten migrants all living in one house it doesn't matter if they are under cutting the local guy/girl because the whole house is paying the bills.
What chance has a couple with a couple of kids got....answer none

Vote out.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Feb 16 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

They went to Portsmouth and interviewed loads of migrants from Poland and the rest of Eastern European migrants.

To a man, all of them said they would still come here if there were no benefits ever as life in general is better and pay is much higher.

It seems that if Cameron hopes his negotiations will create a major reduction in migrants beating a path to the UK to live and work he is sadly mistaken.

Vote OUT

Exacerbated of course by the new "Living wage".

The only way to control our borders is for us to leave the EU.

VOTE LEAVE

 

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 04 Feb 16 3.41pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

If there is a vote and if the vote is to get out, do we know if this will automatically mean that EU residents wont be able to work here without a visa?

Could the Tories decide that they will let EU residents work but without being able to claim benefits?

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Online Flag SW2 04 Feb 16 3.46pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Exacerbated of course by the new "Living wage".

The only way to control our borders is for us to leave the EU.

VOTE LEAVE


Well you've made my mind up for me.

I'M VOTING STAY

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Feb 16 3.53pm

Originally posted by Willo

Exacerbated of course by the new "Living wage".

The only way to control our borders is for us to leave the EU.

VOTE LEAVE

I disagree with that, fixing a decent living wage should in theory at least, making it more viable for UK unemployed to seek these jobs out. I don't have a problem with migration, what I've seen though over the last decade is the government surrender to corporate interests over the interests of UK nationals who are out of work, or in low income jobs.

In the periods of boom, they utilised cheap migrant labour rather than unemployed UK nationals - This, for me, was a betrayal by Labour of the working classes. During that period of economic boom was an opportunity to relocate unemployed individuals and families into areas of employment, towards a plan for longer term growth of social interest, rather than shipping in temporary migrant labour.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 04 Feb 16 3.53pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by topcat

If there is a vote and if the vote is to get out, do we know if this will automatically mean that EU residents wont be able to work here without a visa?

Could the Tories decide that they will let EU residents work but without being able to claim benefits?

Anyone already here will be allowed to stay forever, as far as I'm aware.

If the majority did vote to leave you can bet it will somehow take years to actually implement it, and they'll be flooding in right up to the cut off date.

After the cut off they'd need to apply for working visas presumably. If the government then waived visa requirements I think they'd get heavily punished at a GE by those who voted to leave the EU, so I doubt they'd do that.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Feb 16 3.53pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Totally agree Hoof,we need vote out to control the numbers of people coming here.
When are people going to realise that mass immigration does the indeginas people no good at all.
In fact it does the exact opposite that the left want it to.
Eastern Europeans,or any migrants will work for less,they live in houses that they all pay for....if you have ten migrants all living in one house it doesn't matter if they are under cutting the local guy/girl because the whole house is paying the bills.
What chance has a couple with a couple of kids got....answer none

Vote out.

How would you define the indigenous people of the U.K?


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Feb 16 3.55pm

Originally posted by topcat

If there is a vote and if the vote is to get out, do we know if this will automatically mean that EU residents wont be able to work here without a visa?

Could the Tories decide that they will let EU residents work but without being able to claim benefits?

EU Migrants have to work for around three years to be eligible for benefits. The only non-nationals who are automatically entitled to claim benefits are asylum seekers prior to being granted status. The reason for this, is that UK law forbids them from working.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 04 Feb 16 3.55pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by topcat

If there is a vote and if the vote is to get out, do we know if this will automatically mean that EU residents wont be able to work here without a visa?

Could the Tories decide that they will let EU residents work but without being able to claim benefits?

Those already here will be allowed to stay. I don't know about length of residency but we won't turn into the BNP.

If we vote out the Tories can stop all benefits to non British citizens. As it is there's no stop to in-work benefits unless this brake comes in on a Brexit and there's a strain on public services. "How long is a piece of string?" Things are already straining. Maybe not compared to other countries but they are for what we're used to/have been in for.

They could also make all foreign citizens prove they can speak English, something the Marbella set may be concerned about as English is a problem before Spanish.

However, I doubt things will get too Alf Garnett like because if we go for a Swiss type trade agreement for goods (big & small business) and services (our reliance on financial) we'll need to be able to negotiate workable terms.

 


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