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Hoof Hearted 05 Feb 16 12.02pm

Originally posted by Stuk

You can't just build ad infinitum.

If immigration is a red herring for a housing shortage why is there a shortage of school places too? As far as I'm aware no one is buying to let schools.

Nor hospitals or GP practices, shopping centres etc etc.

If we keep building on agricultural land for housing and associated infrastructure, we'll have no food to eat and no flood plain for the inevitable floods that our lifestyle are causing.

At what stage are we allowed to say enough is enough, Britain is full!?!

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 05 Feb 16 12.07pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I could make that easily and more.

See the investment trust thread.

I invest through Hargreaves Lansdown and their tips and recommendations are worth taking note of. For a start their 5 shares to follow in 2015 made 65%. They've made a 2016 prediction too which is already off to a flyer in this bear market. They also have "wealth funds" which are recommended for growth and/or income... all doing well.


Not sure the money you make hanging around on Bristol street corners counts as a return on investment mate.

 

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Hoof Hearted 05 Feb 16 12.11pm

Originally posted by -TUX-

In no particular order:

Local authorities/Govt (since Thatcher) unwilling to build despite there being plenty of land available.
Becoming pregnant = new home.
Growing population.
The financial services.
Ridiculous restrictions should you ever get planning permission.
Capitalism in general.
NIMBY's.

That's about it for the mo.



You are sadly mistaken Tux.

There is plenty of agricultural land/flood plain/moors/forest etc.

Would you build on all that just to accommodate more and more people flocking here to make a better life for themselves but in the process making the UK (and the South East in particular) an overcrowded hell hole like Dhakar in Bangladesh where 100's share a toilet and life is miserable with large families living in one room?

It's not the idea of living conditions I want to see for future generations, but that is inevitably what life will become unless we halt it now.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (05 Feb 2016 12.13pm)

 

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Hoof Hearted 05 Feb 16 12.12pm

Originally posted by DanH


Not sure the money you make hanging around on Bristol street corners counts as a return on investment mate.

Hahaha

Touche'

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Feb 16 12.15pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You are sadly mistaken Tux.

There is plenty of agricultural land/flood plain/moors/forest etc.

Would you build on all that just to accommodate more and more people flocking here to make a better life for themselves but in the process making the UK (and the South East in particular an overcrowded hell hole like Dhakar in Bangladesh where 100's share a toilet and life is miserable with large families living in one room?

It's not the idea of living conditions I want to see for future generations, but that is inevitably what life will become unless we halt it now.

I have noticed an amazing amount of suitable building land all over London. I have absolutely no idea why it doesn't get used, often it's just abandoned buildings with shrubs growing out of them. Truly I don't believe we have to build on green field site, it's just easier.

Having had a job preventing Sri Lanka from flooding - involving trying to control building in flood plains - it is clear that has to be managed very tightly. It can be done but you need better dredging, allocated run-off sites etc. But I don't see why London can't grow upwards rather than outwards.

 

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Hoof Hearted 05 Feb 16 12.24pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I agree that immigration (and with it higher birth rate) isn't the ONLY reason as an ageing population, increase in families splitting up impacts things from the demand side, while there are many, many issues with the supply side, some of which you mention.

However, my point is that immigration is a factor and we need to be able to control our borders. Reducing net migration to half that amount would definitely help (though not solve the problem entirely). Why can't the left posters agree?

Controlling immigration is the most sensible and easiest solution to the housing crisis.

Unless we bring in euthanasia the ageing population will continue to be a problem.

Building more homes, means building more schools, hospitals etc and we do not have spare land without building on farmland/floodplain or other unsuitable land like beaches, forest, moors or marshland.

The left want more immigrants to come because they believe they will vote Labour.... there cannot be any other logical explanation.

 

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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Controlling immigration is the most sensible and easiest solution to the housing crisis.

Unless we bring in euthanasia the ageing population will continue to be a problem.

Building more homes, means building more schools, hospitals etc and we do not have spare land without building on farmland/floodplain or other unsuitable land like beaches, forest, moors or marshland.

The left want more immigrants to come because they believe they will vote Labour.... there cannot be any other logical explanation.

I don't see how Vince Clarke and his chubby gay mate will help anything?

 


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Hoof Hearted 05 Feb 16 12.45pm

Originally posted by Superfly

I don't see how Vince Clarke and his chubby gay mate will help anything?

 

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Originally posted by Apollofuzz

It's easy to build when you know the right people.

"A planning application has already been submitted to develop the Kenley officers’ mess, which is within sight of the Croydon-Tandridge boundary and falls within the airfield’s conservation area as one of the country’s last remaining, intact Battle of Britain airfields.

"The Grade II-listed Officers’ Mess at Kenley airfield was all-but destroyed by fire last night.
Coincidentally, the two-storey building was subject to a planning application" Hmmmmmm

And Even good old Mr Noades from beyond the grave is looking to make a buck or two.

"A number of green belt sites in Tandridge have been identified as potentially ‘developable’ after five years, including Surrey National Golf Course (Owned by RN), with an Estimated Site Yield of 1,076 homes, Although Chaldon only occupies 1.9% of the total Tandridge area, 1,300 new houses equates to 13.6% of the 9,400 TDC needs to provide to meet government
targets.

And Tandridge's reply:

This first draft local plan consultation does not include any plans to build houses in the Green Belt. It does contain, for consultation purposes, sites in the Green Belt which have been put forward for development by land owners. The Council has reached no conclusions about whether any land should be released from the Green Belt and has not said housing should be built in those areas. The land at the Surrey National Golf Club, which you refer to, has been put forward by the land owner and the Council has made no decision about whether this Green Belt land should be released for development.

The aim of the final Local Plan, is to set out the vision for the district for the next 20 years and provide a framework for the future improvement, development and local protection of the area and Green Belt.

 


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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Nor hospitals or GP practices, shopping centres etc etc.

If we keep building on agricultural land for housing and associated infrastructure, we'll have no food to eat and no flood plain for the inevitable floods that our lifestyle are causing.

At what stage are we allowed to say enough is enough, Britain is full!?!

Not forgetting the transport capacity of roads, rail, airports etc need to increase. All of which people protest about any expansion of.

We get floods because they build on flood plains and pave over anything green, yet we get water shortages because they've filled in and built on nearly every reservoir there was too.

 


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Originally posted by Stuk

And Tandridge's reply:

This first draft local plan consultation does not include any plans to build houses in the Green Belt. It does contain, for consultation purposes, sites in the Green Belt which have been put forward for development by land owners. The Council has reached no conclusions about whether any land should be released from the Green Belt and has not said housing should be built in those areas. The land at the Surrey National Golf Club, which you refer to, has been put forward by the land owner and the Council has made no decision about whether this Green Belt land should be released for development.

The aim of the final Local Plan, is to set out the vision for the district for the next 20 years and provide a framework for the future improvement, development and local protection of the area and Green Belt.

Yes the golf course is purely an "Expression of interest" to test the water, but the Kenley Areodrome one is a planning application, along with another 2 "Expressions of interest" to Caterham/Chaldon (157 dwellings & 290 odd in Roffes lane), along with 2 (welcome) planning applications for the derelict Rose and Young building in Caterham. One a Hotel & restaurant and the other for more flats. Along with plans to convert Quadrant House to flats, We have already lost the Caterham 7 showroom to retirement Flats.

Seems like a lot of development in a very small area.

 


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