Your views are welcome on here Willo regardless of what your missus says. ...and i have just returned from church (where i read the lesson) so will similarly get off my pulpit....but your stats say the nhs will need an extra £9bn by 2030 whats that 5-7%? And you attribute all of this rise to immigration? Do you not think that part of it could be attributable to an ageing population? Or maybe adavances in medical science or demographic trends that mean people(particularly men) are using the nhs more? Or the rising cost of treatment and drugs? But you infer that its all due to immigration.....when the ceo of the nhs says that brexit is a significant threat to the future of the nhs..which could lead to a 14billion decline in nhs spending.
I know you will say this is 'scaremongering' from the head of the nhs which seems the only explanation for most of the out campaign at the moment but tell me this.....if you had a serious medical condition and found out that over 90% of doctors advised on a certain course of treatment with the usual disclosure that there could be no 100% guarantees of success but that the alternative could well cause more significant damage even though they may be good homeopathic treatments, or leeches or just the experience of that bloke Colin down the pub who insists doctors are just guessing and trying to scare you, would you really just ignore the 90% of doctors?........really?

Has it really come to this?

But we do NOT have an open door policy with no control over our borders. This is a lie. Everyone coming into the uk needs a passport (except from Ireland), we did not sign up, nor will we to the Shenghen agreement where open borders is stipulated. We have a veto (article 49) that allows us to stop other countries (e.g. Turkey) joining and even we can, and have the right to send citizens of the eu back if we have good reason (e.g criminality)...and the head of mi6 says that the risk of terrorism will increase in the event of brexit.

Nope. On the one hand positives are that we'd be part of a huge trading block and the EU has curtailed a lot of what IDS and Co wanted to do regarding benefits. I'd hate to think what they'd do if unleashed from the EU.
On the other hand, I think the EU have royally stitched Greece, Spain and Portugal up in league with the IMF.

We cannot control EU citizens from coming here, living here, claiming benefits and using our public services.Free movement of Labour and all that.I'm not of course talking about criminals seeking to live here.And how the hell do we know that EU citizens with a passport are not criminals ? Is intelligence about crime committed in EU countries passed on to UK ?

Yes it is at the moment but this sharing of info will likely stop in the event of brexit which also affects information on terrorists apparently, and we have restrictions on benefits. Over 95% of nhs/care homes usage is by British citizens and we get to use french spanish etc healthcare should we need it if we live, work, holiday or retire abroad. You clearly didnt get my doctor/economist analogy then?

Edited by Willo (29 May 2016 2.29pm)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't mep's vote on legislation. Things aren't just pushed through.

I'd imagine that our current government would push through more ideologically unsound austerity measures (cut services to promote growth - really?)than the EU.

Alas your 'left wing paradise ' cliché negates all you say as it seems lifted from whatever rag you read.

Edited by nickgusset (29 May 2016 2.46pm)