Croydon bar owner 'banned from playing music'
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 matt_himself  Matataland 13 Mar 16 3.57pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
You're not highlighting anything.... you've got a weak argument and you know it. I have answered your questions, you have yet to answer mine. Do you think a song about shooting and burning a gay man should be allowed? My cousin was beaten unconscious for being gay in Tooting 2011. He lost his job as a tube driver because he suffered loss of hearing in his left ear and then failed his periodical company medical. I'm not trying to take the moral high ground over anything, I'm just against bigotry in all it's forms. You haven't answered questions, you have just banged the same drum since the start that you support censorship and fail to understand the consequences of censorship. I am not advocating murder or burning anyone. I think there are other ways to deal with this than censorship. You are trying to take the moral high ground. Your above story is an example of this.
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You haven't answered questions, you have just banged the same drum since the start that you support censorship and fail to understand the consequences of censorship. I am not advocating murder or burning anyone. I think there are other ways to deal with this than censorship. You are trying to take the moral high ground. Your above story is an example of this. I will ask again... do you think a song about shooting and killing gay men should be allowed I mentioned my cousin after 3 pages of "discussion" it was hardly something I mentioned straight away in a rush to get to the moral high ground. Anyone who has friends/family members that are gay will have stories of abuse. There is censorship everywhere in UK... and we seem to be evolving as a society... anyone who thinks there is free speech is deluded.
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.05pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You haven't answered questions, you have just banged the same drum since the start that you support censorship and fail to understand the consequences of censorship. I am not advocating murder or burning anyone. I think there are other ways to deal with this than censorship. You are trying to take the moral high ground. Your above story is an example of this. What questions do you think I have avoided? I must admit I did zone out a bit when you compared a song about murdering gays with the Fast Food Rockers... but I don't think you can blame me for that.
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| kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 13 Mar 16 4.06pm |
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several years ago, in Croydon, council tenants were removed for continual harassement of their perceived gay neighbour.
Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? |
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Mar 16 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
I will ask again... do you think a song about shooting and killing gay men should be allowed I mentioned my cousin after 3 pages of "discussion" it was hardly something I mentioned straight away in a rush to get to the moral high ground. Anyone who has friends/family members that are gay will have stories of abuse. There is censorship everywhere in UK... and we seem to be evolving as a society... anyone who thinks there is free speech is deluded. I don't believe that censorship does anything productive or removes a problem, it only makes it go underground. If you take that as 'yes', to your question, then so be it. However, you are refusing to understand the nuance of this. Never mind that you haven't answered my questions. Please could you back up your last paragraph with some examples as it appears very throw away and weak at first glance.
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I don't believe that censorship does anything productive or removes a problem, it only makes it go underground. If you take that as 'yes', to your question, then so be it. However, you are refusing to understand the nuance of this. Never mind that you haven't answered my questions. Please could you back up your last paragraph with some examples as it appears very throw away and weak at first glance. Why can't you answer yes or no to my question... Do you think a song about killing gays should be allowed? Go on... have the courage to answer with a yes or no... If you think we don't have censorship in this country...go to a street corner in London and say you think Gays should be shot (with a megaphone)
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| exitstageright London 13 Mar 16 4.13pm |
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Assuming this is beep, beep, whistle 'music', it should of course be banned.
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.15pm |
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Right I'm off to have dinner, then play 5-aside....I wonder if matty boy will answer my question with a yes or no?
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Mar 16 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Why can't you answer yes or no to my question... Do you think a song about killing gays should be allowed? Go on... have the courage to answer with a yes or no... If you think we don't have censorship in this country...go to a street corner in London and say you think Gays should be shot (with a megaphone) I have answered your question. I don't believe in censoring music, if you censor music or scenes they go underground and that is, in my opinion, more damaging than allowing people to produce or play music in the open. Again, you are sounding like a Sun columnist and promoting the idea that there is a black & white answer to your position. Why can you not get what I am saying? Your second paragraph is jibberish.
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Mar 16 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Right I'm off to have dinner, then play 5-aside....I wonder if matty boy will answer my question with a yes or no?
I wonder if you will answer my question about the ramifications of censorship. I doubt it.
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| exitstageright London 13 Mar 16 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Why can't you answer yes or no to my question... Do you think a song about killing gays should be allowed? Go on... have the courage to answer with a yes or no... If you think we don't have censorship in this country...go to a street corner in London and say you think Gays should be shot (with a megaphone) How do you shoot someone with a megaphone?
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| 7mins In the bush 13 Mar 16 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I wonder if you will answer my question about the ramifications of censorship. I doubt it. To be fair... your answer is more of a few paragraphs and subjective... all I have asked for is a yes or no?
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