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 matt_himself  Matataland 20 Mar 16 7.50pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Humble pie just about to eaten by Matt as: a) No reference was made by myself to 'fallen in his sword' You said 'I expect Give and Villiers to fall on their sword as well'. Your implication is the IDS fell on his sword, as you were expecting g to do likewise. Read the whole of that link then comment.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Mar 16 8.17pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I believe there are two most likely reasons for IDS' resignation: 1. The EU referendum is a once in a lifetime opportunity for anti EU Conservatives to get their way on Europe. Cameron is disliked and largely despised by most people who identify themselves as conservative. IDS may well have looked to start a coup, with the view of installing a more Brexit friendly leader, i.e., Boris, before the referendum; However, I would say that there is a bit of 1. And 2. In his decision. Now, you come across as the sort of privileged middle class psude, who likes to be viewed as 'progressive' (meaning you pay lip service to 'progressive' concepts, tut at those who disagree with your views and label them a 'phobe' of some sort) and would gladly sell out all the tradition and advantage this country offers its subjects in pursuit of being trendy. Therefore, if you would be so good as to answer my question, I would be much obliged. Edited by matt_himself (20 Mar 2016 10.14am) You are spot on here. Osbourne is an idiot really. He had a good chance of beng PM and he's destroying it all by himself. He didn't even try to juggle cuts to corporation tax with cuts to the unluckiest, vulnerable and disabled. Nah, he favoured those with spare money and capital and let them save their spare cash and hammers those who cannot work, or will never be favoured vs those who can work 40 hours and move onto other company positions. Osbourne is completely out of touch. remove him or keep him and Cameron's chums will look more and more like they're helping they're own rather than interested in Britain collectively. Very little conscience the pair of them.
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| johnfirewall 20 Mar 16 9.08pm |
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What's actually been cut? I'm not undermining the impact it will have but I just want numbers rather than Googling only to be bombarded with propaganda of the sort where Cameron is responsible for deaths due to bedroom tax and this is going to be painted as genocide.
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| Hoof Hearted 21 Mar 16 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
At least I'm scoring more points than Palace!!! Glad I made you laugh..... You sounded like the Gendarme on Allo Allo at the end there... LOL
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Mar 16 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Back to topic....... I think this is getting very interesting. Cameron is fighting dirty over the EU anti Brexit campaign and getting all sorts of people involved to besmirch the reputations of the Out campaign's leading lights. Ros Altman was on the news this morning sticking the knife into IDS. One thing's for sure, In or Out result in June's referendum - the Conservative Party is splitting and there will be a leadership contest before the year is out. Europe and the Conservatives - their classic division - Its cost them dearly before with the electorate.
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Percy of Peckham  Eton Mess 21 Mar 16 11.21am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Europe and the Conservatives - their classic division - Its cost them dearly before with the electorate. Trouble ahead when we should still be focussed on reducing the deficit and balancing budgets whilst trying to maintain essential services. Given all the upheaval with other political parties in recent years you'd think they'd have wanted to steer a steady course instead of ripping themselves apart to pursue their self-interests? Edited by Percy of Peckham (22 Mar 2016 9.47am)
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 21 Mar 16 2.37pm |
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I genuinely believe that IDS resigned for the reasons he stated, rather than the EU referendum. It's not exactly popular making these welfare cuts, but I think he has on the whole done a good job of it. I think the vast majority of the country agrees with his principal aim of "making work pay". It should never be financially better to not work than it is to work. For him to then have to sell a disability benefit cut whilst there is a cut on, of all things, Capital f*cking Gains Tax, would probably break the patience of any Welfare Minister. To say this poxy Chancellor has lost the plot is an understatement. He should go, this is even more idiotic than the Tax Credits fiasco. Good on him for not being afraid to put country before party. Edited by We are goin up! (21 Mar 2016 2.38pm)
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Kermit8  Hevon 21 Mar 16 4.17pm |
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I don't like IDS but like him a little bit more for doing this. It does seem genuinely a matter of principle no matter how warped that sounds considering we are talking about a Tory Minister (ex). They normally wouldn't know what a principle was even if Victoria got on her bended and went deep. Edited by Kermit8 (21 Mar 2016 4.17pm)
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| Hoof Hearted 21 Mar 16 4.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I don't like IDS but like him a little bit more for doing this. It does seem genuinely a matter of principle no matter how warped that sounds considering we are talking about a Tory Minister (ex). They normally wouldn't know what a principle was even if Victoria got on her bended and went deep. Edited by Kermit8 (21 Mar 2016 4.17pm) I think you've called this correctly Michael. You know my political stance and I'm very uncomfortable with what Osborne tried to do. By all means reform welfare to try and reward the working to stimulate growth and reduce unemployment - but don't cut the benefits of the disabled to fund a cut in CGT that only benefits the well off members of society.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Mar 16 5.05pm |
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I think we might see a possible future leadership challenge from IDS.
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 21 Mar 16 5.35pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think we might see a possible future leadership challenge from IDS.
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| Midlands Eagle 21 Mar 16 5.40pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think we might see a possible future leadership challenge from IDS. Somehow I doubt it. He wasn't an inspiring leader first time round and nothing much has changed as far as that goes
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