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 Hrolf The Ganger  22 Mar 16 1.38pm |
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Amazing how these sort of events get people squabbling over various ideologies. We are all on the same side against Islamic terrorists and right now the correct response is silence.
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Kermit8  Hevon 22 Mar 16 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Amazing how these sort of events get people squabbling over various ideologies. We are all on the same side against Islamic terrorists and right now the correct response is silence. Agreed. And go about your business as usual and don't let the fvckers win. Same goes for ISIS.
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| Stuk Top half 22 Mar 16 2.40pm |
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This has been long coming in Belgium as it's really not that stable a country in European terms. They do need to shut down the Schengen area agreement. It's really not that hard to show your passport to go through a border, but it's really hard to cross them without one.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 16 3.31pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Perhaps if we : a) stopped supplying the region with arms and c) switched off all electronic communications (internet access/mobile comms etc) We might...just might get somehwere Although...reasonably glib...the latter is just as much responsible as the first two for their metoric rise of IS et al with regards to their mantra being spread worldwide, the reporting on their atrocities and their ability to communicate with each other. If the region was sent back to the dark ages (pre 1990) as far as communication was concerned it'd see the faction retract quite a bit. Edited by Lyons550 (22 Mar 2016 1.20pm) Definitely, its harder than it sounds, but not impossible. It wouldn't prevent communication, but it would make it harder. Edited by jamiemartin721 (22 Mar 2016 3.58pm)
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| Alexi_the_Eagle Newton-le-Willows 22 Mar 16 3.39pm |
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The whole Western world needs to stand up to these ISIS b**tards and say enough is enough. How many more atrocities must occur before then?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 16 3.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
This has been long coming in Belgium as it's really not that stable a country in European terms. They do need to shut down the Schengen area agreement. It's really not that hard to show your passport to go through a border, but it's really hard to cross them without one. I travelled around most of Europe in the early 90s, and barring Italy and Eastern Europe and the UK, there wasn't really anything in the way of passport checks or validation. Culturally a lot of the mainland European countries have a very shared basis (for example a lot of my colleagues work in Luxemburg, but travel from Belgium every day. I think this is pretty common in a lot of European countries, that you get commuters and a lot of daily traffic across borders on a continual basis. Whilst I think its viable in terms of ports, train stations and airports, to some degree, for road traffic, its probably a logistical nightmare to stop every car, check passports thoroughly and validate them against owners and an index of suspect people and suspect passports. Although in truth, this isn't a new problem. European countries had trouble of this kind in the 80s with the Left Wing and Right Wing terrorist groups being able to move across the borders with relative ease.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 16 3.57pm |
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Originally posted by Alexi_the_Eagle
The whole Western world needs to stand up to these ISIS b**tards and say enough is enough. How many more atrocities must occur before then? Agree with that, but the question is how?
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| DanH SW2 22 Mar 16 4.06pm |
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Originally posted by Alexi_the_Eagle
The whole Western world needs to stand up to these ISIS b**tards and say enough is enough. How many more atrocities must occur before then?
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| Stuk Top half 22 Mar 16 4.10pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I travelled around most of Europe in the early 90s, and barring Italy and Eastern Europe and the UK, there wasn't really anything in the way of passport checks or validation. Culturally a lot of the mainland European countries have a very shared basis (for example a lot of my colleagues work in Luxemburg, but travel from Belgium every day. I think this is pretty common in a lot of European countries, that you get commuters and a lot of daily traffic across borders on a continual basis. Whilst I think its viable in terms of ports, train stations and airports, to some degree, for road traffic, its probably a logistical nightmare to stop every car, check passports thoroughly and validate them against owners and an index of suspect people and suspect passports. Although in truth, this isn't a new problem. European countries had trouble of this kind in the 80s with the Left Wing and Right Wing terrorist groups being able to move across the borders with relative ease. So what if it inconveniences people who live in one country and work in another? They're nowhere near the majority of Europeans and if it's so bad with border checks then move country or job. Apart from the IRA and ETA most terrorism in Europe in the 80s was in the name of a middle eastern cause or country. They stop every car on the border of Switzerland as you have to pay to use their roads. If they can stop every car at the border for that, then they can easily stop them for a passport check.
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| DanH SW2 22 Mar 16 4.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
So what if it inconveniences people who live in one country and work in another? They're nowhere near the majority of Europeans and if it's so bad with border checks then move country or job. Apart from the IRA and ETA most terrorism in Europe in the 80s was in the name of a middle eastern cause or country. They stop every car on the border of Switzerland as you have to pay to use their roads. If they can stop every car at the border for that, then they can easily stop them for a passport check. That Salah fella bloke was stopped at a border and the feckwits still let them through.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 16 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
So what if it inconveniences people who live in one country and work in another? They're nowhere near the majority of Europeans and if it's so bad with border checks then move country or job. Apart from the IRA and ETA most terrorism in Europe in the 80s was in the name of a middle eastern cause or country. They stop every car on the border of Switzerland as you have to pay to use their roads. If they can stop every car at the border for that, then they can easily stop them for a passport check. I think the will to do it isn't there, the logistics expensive and the will to do it isn't there. That might well change, given recent events.
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| Stuk Top half 22 Mar 16 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
That Salah fella bloke was stopped at a border and the feckwits still let them through.
Being lackadaisical with the borders has also become the norm. Most don't even have their ID checked at all.
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