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NickinOX Sailing country. 01 Apr 16 7.35pm
Originally posted by Mr Palaceman I have not read much on the Falklands conflict to be honest. The point in the lecture that was of most interest to me was how the language and red line demands the government were making changed even as the task force was approaching and how sovereignty was an issue for negotiation. With splits in the government, it was remarkable that the campaign was successful. You can't ask more of your armed forces. I know who the lecturer is, and I think he is right when it comes to the on-off negotiations before the war. But the Argentinian loss in the war killed off any chance of them getting sovereignty during my lifetime. The services did a fantastic job. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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NickinOX

Sailing country. 01 Apr 16 7.35pm

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

I have not read much on the Falklands conflict to be honest.

The point in the lecture that was of most interest to me was how the language and red line demands the government were making changed even as the task force was approaching and how sovereignty was an issue for negotiation.

With splits in the government, it was remarkable that the campaign was successful. You can't ask more of your armed forces.

I know who the lecturer is, and I think he is right when it comes to the on-off negotiations before the war. But the Argentinian loss in the war killed off any chance of them getting sovereignty during my lifetime.

The services did a fantastic job.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 01 Apr 16 8.05pm
Originally posted by NickinOX The services did a fantastic job. The boots on the ground did but the logistical and strategic planning etc. was extremely naīve and cost lives. It was a damn close run thing. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 01 Apr 16 8.05pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

The services did a fantastic job.

The boots on the ground did but the logistical and strategic planning etc. was extremely naīve and cost lives.

It was a damn close run thing.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 01 Apr 16 8.28pm
I'm sorry...I have to say something on this thread. I was there....... WTF do any of you know what went on, what happened? Its all very well pontificating about this that & the other, BUT, as far as im concerned it was a Argie Pilot flying a FRENCH plane loaded with a FRENCH Exorcet Missile that SUNK my ship! I lost a lot of mates then, I saw a very good one have his HEAD blown clean off his shoulders due to the attacks. I still carry my physical injuries 34 years later......! Nuff said I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold, When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul. [Link]
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eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 01 Apr 16 8.28pm

I'm sorry...I have to say something on this thread.

I was there.......

WTF do any of you know what went on, what happened? Its all very well pontificating about this that & the other, BUT, as far as im concerned it was a Argie Pilot flying a FRENCH plane loaded with a FRENCH Exorcet Missile that SUNK my ship!

I lost a lot of mates then, I saw a very good one have his HEAD blown clean off his shoulders due to the attacks. I still carry my physical injuries 34 years later......!

Nuff said

I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold,
When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul.
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Mr Palaceman 01 Apr 16 8.32pm
Originally posted by NickinOX I know who the lecturer is, and I think he is right when it comes to the on-off negotiations before the war. But the Argentinian loss in the war killed off any chance of them getting sovereignty during my lifetime. The services did a fantastic job. True.. This issue will run and run. It's a ralling cry for any new Argentine government, add oil and it becomes a real diplomatic challenge. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Mr Palaceman

01 Apr 16 8.32pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

The services did a fantastic job.

True.. This issue will run and run. It's a ralling cry for any new Argentine government, add oil and it becomes a real diplomatic challenge.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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Mr Palaceman 01 Apr 16 8.43pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 I'm sorry...I have to say something on this thread. I was there....... WTF do any of you know what went on, what happened? Its all very well pontificating about this that & the other, BUT, as far as im concerned it was a Argie Pilot flying a FRENCH plane loaded with a FRENCH Exorcet Missile that SUNK my ship! I lost a lot of mates then, I saw a very good one have his HEAD blown clean off his shoulders due to the attacks. I still carry my physical injuries 34 years later......! Nuff said A sobering post.. My thoughts are with you and your family.. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Mr Palaceman

01 Apr 16 8.43pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

I'm sorry...I have to say something on this thread.

I was there.......

I lost a lot of mates then, I saw a very good one have his HEAD blown clean off his shoulders due to the attacks. I still carry my physical injuries 34 years later......!

Nuff said

A sobering post..

My thoughts are with you and your family..

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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matt_himself Matataland 01 Apr 16 9.36pm
Originally posted by pefwin The boots on the ground did but the logistical and strategic planning etc. was extremely naīve and cost lives. It was a damn close run thing. Was it bollocks. We smashed the Argentinians. Go live in Havana, you commie traitor. Edited by matt_himself (02 Apr 2016 8.37am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship. - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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matt_himself

Matataland 01 Apr 16 9.36pm

Originally posted by pefwin

The boots on the ground did but the logistical and strategic planning etc. was extremely naīve and cost lives.

It was a damn close run thing.

Was it bollocks. We smashed the Argentinians.

Go live in Havana, you commie traitor.

Edited by matt_himself (02 Apr 2016 8.37am)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship. - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 02 Apr 16 3.26pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Was it bollocks. We smashed the Argentinians. Go live in Havana, you commie traitor. Edited by matt_himself (02 Apr 2016 8.37am) Idiot. However this is of more interest and a comment on what the Tories have done to the Navy. Falklands Islands left with no Royal Navy warship protection for first time since 1982 conflict [Link] "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 02 Apr 16 3.26pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Was it bollocks. We smashed the Argentinians.

Go live in Havana, you commie traitor.

Edited by matt_himself (02 Apr 2016 8.37am)

Idiot.

However this is of more interest and a comment on what the Tories have done to the Navy.

Falklands Islands left with no Royal Navy warship protection for first time since 1982 conflict

[Link]

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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matt_himself Matataland 02 Apr 16 5.18pm
Originally posted by pefwin Idiot. However this is of more interest and a comment on what the Tories have done to the Navy. Falklands Islands left with no Royal Navy warship protection for first time since 1982 conflict [Link] Instead of insulting people, why don't you try and back up your politically motivated posts with facts? Your a revisionism of history is incorrect and baseless. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship. - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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matt_himself

Matataland 02 Apr 16 5.18pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Idiot.

However this is of more interest and a comment on what the Tories have done to the Navy.

Falklands Islands left with no Royal Navy warship protection for first time since 1982 conflict

[Link]

Instead of insulting people, why don't you try and back up your politically motivated posts with facts?

Your a revisionism of history is incorrect and baseless.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship. - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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legaleagle 02 Apr 16 8.52pm
[Link] "Cuts after the 2010 defence review shed 6,000 sailors from the Royal Navy. Naval chiefs have used the Governments current defence review to ask the Ministry of Defence for another 2,500 sailors, which they estimate will cost around Ŗ125 million a year extra. But Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, has told them he wants to limit the increase to around 600 and demanded that in return the Navy get rid of around 300 officers. The Navy is also having to recruit sailors from foreign navies, including America, Canada and Australia to fill gaps in critical specialist engineering jobs. It expects to hire as many as 1,000 foreigners in the next decade."
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02 Apr 16 8.52pm

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"Cuts after the 2010 defence review shed 6,000 sailors from the Royal Navy. Naval chiefs have used the Governments current defence review to ask the Ministry of Defence for another 2,500 sailors, which they estimate will cost around Ŗ125 million a year extra.

But Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, has told them he wants to limit the increase to around 600 and demanded that in return the Navy get rid of around 300 officers.
The Navy is also having to recruit sailors from foreign navies, including America, Canada and Australia to fill gaps in critical specialist engineering jobs. It expects to hire as many as 1,000 foreigners in the next decade."

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Bert the Head Epsom 03 Apr 16 12.22am
Originally posted by eagleman13 I'm sorry...I have to say something on this thread. I was there....... WTF do any of you know what went on, what happened? Its all very well pontificating about this that & the other, BUT, as far as im concerned it was a Argie Pilot flying a FRENCH plane loaded with a FRENCH Exorcet Missile that SUNK my ship! I lost a lot of mates then, I saw a very good one have his HEAD blown clean off his shoulders due to the attacks. I still carry my physical injuries 34 years later......! Nuff said I don't think it is "Nuff said." I think the whole point is that you should not have been out there if the islands had been protected as they should have been in the first place. They weren't because of the Tory short term cuts. Thatcher went on to gain credit for getting an island back that she lost in the first place. The press don't question why we lost the island in the first place in the same way they didn't question the Iraq dodgy dossier. Because war sells paper and gets dosh from advertising. Rich people make money; and because the press are incompetent at doing what a free press in a democratic society should do, because they are owned by very rich people and have no interest in that roll. I am not an armchair military tactician but I know that Thatcher has left us with island that is now far more symbolically important than strategically important. We could subsidize a lot of steel production for the cost of protecting sparsely populated far away island. How did we end up in this is all I'm saying.
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Bert the Head

Epsom 03 Apr 16 12.22am

Originally posted by eagleman13

I'm sorry...I have to say something on this thread.

I was there.......

I lost a lot of mates then, I saw a very good one have his HEAD blown clean off his shoulders due to the attacks. I still carry my physical injuries 34 years later......!

Nuff said

I don't think it is "Nuff said."

I think the whole point is that you should not have been out there if the islands had been protected as they should have been in the first place. They weren't because of the Tory short term cuts. Thatcher went on to gain credit for getting an island back that she lost in the first place.

The press don't question why we lost the island in the first place in the same way they didn't question the Iraq dodgy dossier. Because war sells paper and gets dosh from advertising. Rich people make money; and because the press are incompetent at doing what a free press in a democratic society should do, because they are owned by very rich people and have no interest in that roll.

I am not an armchair military tactician but I know that Thatcher has left us with island that is now far more symbolically important than strategically important. We could subsidize a lot of steel production for the cost of protecting sparsely populated far away island.

How did we end up in this is all I'm saying.

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matt_himself Matataland 03 Apr 16 8.05am
Originally posted by Bert the Head I don't think it is "Nuff said." I think the whole point is that you should not have been out there if the islands had been protected as they should have been in the first place. They weren't because of the Tory short term cuts. Thatcher went on to gain credit for getting an island back that she lost in the first place. The press don't question why we lost the island in the first place in the same way they didn't question the Iraq dodgy dossier. Because war sells paper and gets dosh from advertising. Rich people make money; and because the press are incompetent at doing what a free press in a democratic society should do, because they are owned by very rich people and have no interest in that roll. I am not an armchair military tactician but I know that Thatcher has left us with island that is now far more symbolically important than strategically important. We could subsidize a lot of steel production for the cost of protecting sparsely populated far away island. How did we end up in this is all I'm saying. It is because the people of the Falklands are British, they didn't want to live under the auspices of a brutal military junta and Britain had to act to rectify the act of barbarism by the Argentine government. It's funny that when self determinationi is applied to British people, the left think it as unimportant. Also, why should unproductive steel be subsidised? If it is unprofitable, largely because during the years of nationalisation there was zero investment in the plants and piss poor management, throwing more money at it is simply ridiculous. We should be looking at ways to make it profitable or start making something else, like graphene. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship. - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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matt_himself

Matataland 03 Apr 16 8.05am

Originally posted by Bert the Head

I don't think it is "Nuff said."

How did we end up in this is all I'm saying.

It is because the people of the Falklands are British, they didn't want to live under the auspices of a brutal military junta and Britain had to act to rectify the act of barbarism by the Argentine government.

It's funny that when self determinationi is applied to British people, the left think it as unimportant.

Also, why should unproductive steel be subsidised? If it is unprofitable, largely because during the years of nationalisation there was zero investment in the plants and piss poor management, throwing more money at it is simply ridiculous. We should be looking at ways to make it profitable or start making something else, like graphene.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship. - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 03 Apr 16 2.07pm
Originally posted by matt_himself It is because the people of the Falklands are British, . Oddly enough before the war they were not considered British Subjects. As for conflating steel production??? with the issue, don't the likes of the USA apply a 164% (ish) tariff on Chinese steel......The UK is a free market dumping ground in a non free globalised oligopoly. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 03 Apr 16 2.07pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

It is because the people of the Falklands are British, .

Oddly enough before the war they were not considered British Subjects.

As for conflating steel production??? with the issue, don't the likes of the USA apply a 164% (ish) tariff on Chinese steel......The UK is a free market dumping ground in a non free globalised oligopoly.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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