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Is this another misused instrument of justice and equality or are universities a breeding ground for far-left fascists?

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I'm obviously a bit late here as I'd barely even heard the term but South Park have already done a Safe Space episode. A show which also educated me on the term cis-gender which even my more liberal friends were unaware of. It's like parallel universe exists in unis for the sole purpose focusing on other peoples rights as a facade for ignorance and belligerence.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Apr 16 1.02pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Is this another misused instrument of justice and equality or are universities a breeding ground for far-left fascists?

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I'm obviously a bit late here as I'd barely even heard the term but South Park have already done a Safe Space episode. A show which also educated me on the term cis-gender which even my more liberal friends were unaware of. It's like parallel universe exists in unis for the sole purpose focusing on other peoples rights as a facade for ignorance and belligerence.

Edited by johnfirewall (04 Apr 2016 11.39am)

Obviously I object to the term far left fascists, as its a contradiction. They're more akin to the Communist party (using the technicalities of law to silence opposition).

The idea of safe space, is fine - it supports the notion of freedom of speech and creates environments in which debate can be separated from intimidation and fear - the principle of determining who has access to free speech is worrying as well as utilising the mechanics of rules in order to exclude people.

In my experience of University, the 'far left' were a joke, and people who were actually interested in Marxism avoided student groups asap and got involved with the leftist groups off campus. Although I did drive the women's bus on several occasions when there were no female drivers available.

 


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Uni students do make me laugh. No one gives a flying f*** about their debates or bonkers regulations.

Nor what cause they're pursuing/fighting that month.

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 04 Apr 16 2.56pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Obviously I object to the term far left fascists, as its a contradiction. They're more akin to the Communist party (using the technicalities of law to silence opposition).

The idea of safe space, is fine - it supports the notion of freedom of speech and creates environments in which debate can be separated from intimidation and fear - the principle of determining who has access to free speech is worrying as well as utilising the mechanics of rules in order to exclude people.

In my experience of University, the 'far left' were a joke, and people who were actually interested in Marxism avoided student groups asap and got involved with the leftist groups off campus. Although I did drive the women's bus on several occasions when there were no female drivers available.

The term 'left wing fascist' has a basis in recent(ish) politics and should not be dismissed.

Groups such as the RAF and the Red Brigades took inspiration from both far left and far right politics but were generally more leaning to right.

Also, it is sometimes very hard to distinguish between the far left and far right when they actually gain power. People get repressed and killed. North Korea, is it communist or fascist? It ain't very progressive, so take yer pick.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Apr 16 4.09pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

The term 'left wing fascist' has a basis in recent(ish) politics and should not be dismissed.

Groups such as the RAF and the Red Brigades took inspiration from both far left and far right politics but were generally more leaning to right.

Also, it is sometimes very hard to distinguish between the far left and far right when they actually gain power. People get repressed and killed. North Korea, is it communist or fascist? It ain't very progressive, so take yer pick.

They share a lot of similarities, because both are anti-capitalist. I'm not sure how much influence Brigade Russo and the RAF took from the far right, as they both were based in left wing protest movements, and involved in killing fascists (one of the reasons why Hans Martin Shyler was kidnapped was his position in society despite having been a major in the SS).

Also, far left groups often spend a lot of time calling people fascists, who aren't, as the far right calling people communist who aren't.

I think people have become lazy, and like to use the term fascist to describe any political movement that has a tendency towards totalitarianism.

As for North Korea, they're a very old school Communist country. State planned economy, with state ownership generally denotes a difference commonly seen between fascism and communism. You tend to see more private ownership of business in Fascism and Juntas as opposed to nationalised industry.

There is also great emphasis in fascism on the responsibility of such owners to provide for their workers (where as Communism has a big emphasis on workers union groups - to the point of their own detriment - see Hungary and Czech uprisings and Solidarity - all of which were socialist uprisings against communism).

But generally, China, the Soviet Union and North Korea are/were Communist (big focus on collectivisation).

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Apr 16 4.11pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Uni students do make me laugh. No one gives a flying f*** about their debates or bonkers regulations.

Nor what cause they're pursuing/fighting that month.

True that. Although sometimes interesting stuff comes out, usually its more about righteousness than being right and protests. Protests are generally quite good fun when the NUS arranges the travel.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

True that. Although sometimes interesting stuff comes out, usually its more about righteousness than being right and protests. Protests are generally quite good fun when the NUS arranges the travel.

I especially love it when they try to write out or in something from history, as they cannot grasp the concept that the world was a different place 100, 200 or 500 years ago.

See Princeton and Woodrow Wilson as a current example.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Apr 16 5.18pm

Originally posted by Stuk

I especially love it when they try to write out or in something from history, as they cannot grasp the concept that the world was a different place 100, 200 or 500 years ago.

See Princeton and Woodrow Wilson as a current example.

Usually because those ones are the c**ts who aren't attending lectures and seminars. There was always a tendency for people to be angry about something in the past, rather than the present, because that's usually what 'radicalises' you - because its usually something that's 'finally come to light' recently.

You didn't tend to see many student protestors down the local factory that was closing, siding with the Union protests, but you could be certain that if someone was gibing a lecture on empire, that they'd be out in force protesting, even if the lecture was critical of empire, they'd always be someone who would be proclaiming it wasn't critical enough.

There is always, in student political, circles, that one person. It was also my Sociology tutor (he was a postgrad) a total bullying c**t to his class. I used to annoy him by shouting out the answers when ever he started to pick on my class mates.

Used to always turn up wearing his Palestinian neck scarf thing, and he knew about as about the subject as his students, which given it was an 'Introduction to Sociology', was unforgivable. F**ker would try to get people to break down in tears and never come back (all but two of the class we female).

Admittedly I was a bit like that, it was older issues that 'fired me into a lefty' but I never saw the point of protesting something that wasn't relevant to current events.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Usually because those ones are the c**ts who aren't attending lectures and seminars. There was always a tendency for people to be angry about something in the past, rather than the present, because that's usually what 'radicalises' you - because its usually something that's 'finally come to light' recently.

You didn't tend to see many student protestors down the local factory that was closing, siding with the Union protests, but you could be certain that if someone was giving a lecture on empire, that they'd be out in force protesting, even if the lecture was critical of empire, they'd always be someone who would be proclaiming it wasn't critical enough.

There is always, in student political, circles, that one person. It was also my Sociology tutor (he was a postgrad) a total bullying c**t to his class. I used to annoy him by shouting out the answers when ever he started to pick on my class mates.

Used to always turn up wearing his Palestinian neck scarf thing, and he knew about as about the subject as his students, which given it was an 'Introduction to Sociology', was unforgivable. F**ker would try to get people to break down in tears and never come back (all but two of the class we female).

Admittedly I was a bit like that, it was older issues that 'fired me into a lefty' but I never saw the point of protesting something that wasn't relevant to current events.

Spot on.

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Apr 16 7.49pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

Spot on.

Indeed Jamie, those Palestinian headscarves should be banned along with White Guys who wear dreads & tarts who sport number two's with a rockabilly quiffs....

 


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