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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 12 Apr 16 5.25pm |
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Great article from Paul Mason
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 Stuk Top half 12 Apr 16 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Why? What I find strange is a long line of politicians queuing up to give a rent-a-quote condemning Cameron for not for being a crook but because what he did was immoral. Who are they to decide what is or isn't immoral. As for the public outcry and the Tories being out of touch, most people actually seem quite apathetic to the whole thing. Even some of my lefty friends think it is the wrong fight to pick. After the MPs we can expect doctors, teachers, emergency services to do the same can we? All paid out of the tax coffers after all. They probably don't pay tax on their union subs, as I bet they're allowed to deduct them before being subject to tax and NIC...
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| robdave2k 12 Apr 16 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It is an ethical one though. Especially if you've made a pledge to 'get tough on tax avoidance', and then have been found to have engaged in it (which I'm not sure is the case given he paid all outstanding taxes).
Tax avoidance is using an ISA for example or using the married person's allowance. Marketed tax avoidance is investing in a transaction deliberately designed and marketed to save tax and based on the opinion of a QC, which makes it avoidance not evasion. Take the Chris Moyles "used car dealer" scheme - Stevie Wonder could have told you that was bollocks reading the paperwork. I don't agree with the normal politics of the author in this - but it offers a good explanation
He handled it badly, that's the upshot of it - but he still had to pay tax when he wanted to repatriate it.
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| matt_himself Matataland 12 Apr 16 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Great article from Paul Mason Load of emotive guff. This whole Cameron situation is pure political positioning. I am no fan of Cameron but he appears to have operated within the law. I am sure you will come back with a 'moral' angle but as with all things lefty, morals shift and are manipulated for the situation.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Apr 16 5.50pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
After the MPs we can expect doctors, teachers, emergency services to do the same can we? All paid out of the tax coffers after all. They probably don't pay tax on their union subs, as I bet they're allowed to deduct them before being subject to tax and NIC... You can claim back on tax for union subs. I don't know many who do, but I get lots of emails from different accountancy 'firms' offering to claim on my behalf.
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| Stuk Top half 12 Apr 16 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You can claim back on tax for union subs. I don't know many who do, but I get lots of emails from different accountancy 'firms' offering to claim on my behalf. Funny that, and I bet most do. There's a few million in tax avoidance there lads, froth away. 6m x £60 p.a on average?
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-TUX-  Alphabettispaghetti 12 Apr 16 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Funny that, and I bet most do. There's a few million in tax avoidance there lads, froth away. 6m x £60 p.a on average? I doubt any of them are looking to run the country anytime soon.
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| ghosteagle 12 Apr 16 6.01pm |
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Boyle hits nail on head. Done.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Apr 16 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Funny that, and I bet most do. There's a few million in tax avoidance there lads, froth away. 6m x £60 p.a on average? Isn't it 20% of the above? The same principle a self employed person deducts amounts for tools to do the job, only the amount above is taken at PAYE source.
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| robdave2k 12 Apr 16 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Isn't it 20% of the above? The same principle a self employed person deducts amounts for tools to do the job, only the amount above is taken at PAYE source.
So for a self employed between 29-41% (tax + class iv NI) for an employee between 20 and 40% of the cost
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Apr 16 6.29pm |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
So for a self employed between 29-41% (tax + class iv NI) for an employee between 20 and 40% of the cost So if we say it's 30% to make the calculation easy: 6,000,000 members pay £60 per year and 30% of that is £108,000,000. Hardly denting the coffers and isn't much different to insurance for an employed person.
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| Hoof Hearted 12 Apr 16 6.57pm | |
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The lefties on here might like to compare what Cameron has done compared to Vaz, Blunkett and Mandelson. Their misdemeanours were worthy of a resignation (or two in some cases). As I keep saying - Cameron has operated within the law and I cannot understand why this thread is still going? .... and for balance I'll mention Jeffrey Archer and any other Tory miscreant caught libeling themselves or with their trousers down.... Edited by Hoof Hearted (12 Apr 2016 6.58pm)
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