C4 Documentary - What British Muslims Really Think
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  Hrolf The Ganger  11 Apr 16 1.15pm |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
We know that's not the case, which is part of the problem. We've already seen someone dismiss the figures out of hand. These people need to be convinced that there is a problem, after which they reluctantly admit it, but only after they've reassured themselves it's not racist to have identified it. I was being humorous but you actually make a good point.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Apr 16 1.53pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This must make smoke come out the ears of the progressive liberal/left. Definitely, homophobic discrimination is a concern no matter what sky fairy or absurdity you happen to use to justify your prejudice. But if you're not acting on it, its not really a problem given the influence that Muslim religion holds over the UK, compared to say the Catholic church etc.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Apr 16 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
As best you could say some of those figures are in line with the views of any other member of the non-Muslim community whose views would be considered unacceptable. They're all worrying but obviously those which ultimately indicate support for extrememism are of most concern. The one that is concerning is the 66% 'joined a terrorist organisation', although I'm not sure how you would know, but anyhow, that's a concern. 4% having sympathy with terrorist groups isn't such a big deal, that's surprisingly quite low - They don't even have a charity single supporting them.
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| 7mins In the bush 11 Apr 16 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The one that is concerning is the 66% 'joined a terrorist organisation', although I'm not sure how you would know, but anyhow, that's a concern. 4% having sympathy with terrorist groups isn't such a big deal, that's surprisingly quite low - They don't even have a charity single supporting them. 4% had sympathy with suicide bombers not terrorist groups.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Apr 16 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Bloke over the road from me refuses to talk to his grandson because the grandson is gay. Rest of the family are denying the boy is gay. Sad really. He's White British though, not muslim.
Edited by nickgusset (11 Apr 2016 12.49pm) I very much doubt if this guy wants to strap a suicide vest to himself and blow himself up in a shopping mall though?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Apr 16 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
I very much doubt if this guy wants to strap a suicide vest to himself and blow himself up in a shopping mall though? But all muslims do?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Apr 16 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
But all muslims do? In practical terms it is not important that 96% of Muslims don't support terrorism any more than is was important that many Germans were not Nazis.(A rather poor comparison in this case but you get the point). The 4% can kill thousands. It is hardly surprising that under the current circumstances all Muslims fall under suspicion even if that suspicion is largely unfounded. It is filed under human nature and self preservation.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Apr 16 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Definitely, homophobic discrimination is a concern no matter what sky fairy or absurdity you happen to use to justify your prejudice. But if you're not acting on it, its not really a problem given the influence that Muslim religion holds over the UK, compared to say the Catholic church etc. Don't get me started on Catholicism. I've bashed enough religious groups today already.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 Apr 16 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
But all muslims do? A lot more muslims than white British, though. As we've already seen.
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| SwalecliffeEagle Swalecliffe 11 Apr 16 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This must make smoke come out the ears of the progressive liberal/left. Yup, that's the tension which exists within the liberal position. They don't realise it, but by zealously defending multiculturalism they are inevitably inviting oppressive influences into our society. They will wake up over time, but it is frankly disappointing that they need more of it. I think that guys idea about no more than 50% of Muslim children in any one school is a great idea. Certainly, Caucasian children are more tolerant than their parents as a consequence of this diversity within schools.
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| johnfirewall 11 Apr 16 9.03pm |
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Originally posted by SwalecliffeEagle
Yup, that's the tension which exists within the liberal position. They don't realise it, but by zealously defending multiculturalism they are inevitably inviting oppressive influences into our society. They will wake up over time, but it is frankly disappointing that they need more of it. I think that guys idea about no more than 50% of Muslim children in any one school is a great idea. Certainly, Caucasian children are more tolerant than their parents as a consequence of this diversity within schools. Minimum quotas are still actively discussed, if not implemented. There's a problem somewhere if we're simultaneously proposing maximums.
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| JHB London 11 Apr 16 9.27pm |
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Originally posted by SwalecliffeEagle
Yup, that's the tension which exists within the liberal position. They don't realise it, but by zealously defending multiculturalism they are inevitably inviting oppressive influences into our society. They will wake up over time, but it is frankly disappointing that they need more of it. I think that guys idea about no more than 50% of Muslim children in any one school is a great idea. Certainly, Caucasian children are more tolerant than their parents as a consequence of this diversity within schools. No it's an incredibly dangerous idea. Limiting school populations by screening the beliefs of parents is a very, very, slippery slope. You might like it when it only applies to religious beliefs but what happens if somebody decides to apply it to "dangerous" political beliefs which might just encompass yours? Or say we should limit the numbers of children of parents with criminal records? It's also completely wrong to hold children of a group accountable for the actions of a very few violent people. Should we hold the children of people who go to pubs accountable for the fact that some pissed up people cause serious violence on a Friday night? Ironically it is exactly this sort of divisive action that the religious extremists would like to see. Edited by JHB (11 Apr 2016 9.51pm)
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