So why bother with it ?

I agree with you, corporate facilities are a must, with tv money, clubs, rely less on ticket sales these days they really make little difference to the club. Corporate are the only ones that can make a difference financially to the club. the owners will be getting a redeveloped main stand pushed out asap, they have to to compete.

Then the whitehorse, sainsburys are supposedly holding a hard bargain but thats to be expected. I see it being a win win for them, pretty sure it will happen eventually, with sainsburys getting a very good deal. so a new stand with the idea of putting away fans there.

So now we have a new Whitehorse for away fans and a new main stand for corporate. Even if it adds 6k that brings us upto 32k.

We've got the arthur that holds 8k, tell me what benefit redeveloping that stand would bring to the club. It would cost millions and where is the financial return. Maybe it could include amneties for the local community, tho there's not much space. But redeveloping the arthur, is the squeeze worth the juice ?

Why bother with the Arfur?

- Well you complained that there was little room to move, get to the toilets, move about in the concourse area.

- You said away fans always complain about it being so sh1t and SP commenting on it.

- It is 47 years old. The main stand will be corporate or those ST holders who generally prefer staying seated with little comotion, the maturer supporters amongst us if you like, and the slightly vocal who like the interior bars in the Glaziers sections. Holmesdale almost sold out. WH Lane for away fans, possibly ST holders as well if segregated. Separate tiers possibly. So where do the ordinary people you're trying to attract go? Mainly the Arfur, as is pretty much the case now. What do modern day newcomers want? Modernity/comfort/decent food/drink outlets. A stadium redevelopment is just that, not half of one and leave a stand be when it's 47 years old. By the time the main stand and WH are finished it'll be older. The Holmesdale is 20 years old and although acceptable, that'll be much older too being the last in line.

- It needs to be done if you're planning to maximise seating within a confined space because joining the stands up adds quite a few thousand onto capacity. You cannot join stands without them being purpose built for that.

- If away fans are in the WH end then you probably will not need anything like the segregation there is now. More tickets to be sold.

am i classed as 'mature' now that I am 34? I agree about comotion though, i quite like it with the old fellas.

Not looking for a long argument here but I don't get it. You say we, or you, deserve better, and that somewhere this is being prevented. Then later on you say you want better but then you don't expect them to make it better for you. So why complain about it and say we deserve better if you understand it won't happen (or you think it won't happen)