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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 20 Apr 16 12.56pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall The doctor had a look when they were born and this information was recorded and made its way on to the birth certificate. This designation should remain until such time as the person is sure they're something else, not when they hit 4 and some ultra-liberal decides to question it on their behalf. Still, this is fortunately in the hands of the parents and I'd hope most would follow the biological approach were they to pose this question to their children, rather than placing the emphasis on the freedom to choose 'other'. Can this be merged with my gender thread though, because the same debates prevail If you're born with bollocks and a knob, you're a bloke, whether you like it or not. I resent my taxes being used to have them removed and a new snatch being built. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 20 Apr 16 12.56pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

The doctor had a look when they were born and this information was recorded and made its way on to the birth certificate. This designation should remain until such time as the person is sure they're something else, not when they hit 4 and some ultra-liberal decides to question it on their behalf.

Still, this is fortunately in the hands of the parents and I'd hope most would follow the biological approach were they to pose this question to their children, rather than placing the emphasis on the freedom to choose 'other'.

Can this be merged with my gender thread though, because the same debates prevail

If you're born with bollocks and a knob, you're a bloke, whether you like it or not. I resent my taxes being used to have them removed and a new snatch being built.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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DanH SW2 20 Apr 16 12.59pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt If you're born with bollocks and a knob, you're a bloke, whether you like it or not. I resent my taxes being used to have them removed and a new snatch being built. What if you then got to see said snatch?
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SW2 20 Apr 16 12.59pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

If you're born with bollocks and a knob, you're a bloke, whether you like it or not. I resent my taxes being used to have them removed and a new snatch being built.

What if you then got to see said snatch?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 20 Apr 16 1.01pm
Originally posted by DanH What if you then got to see said snatch? Why, are you offering to show me yours? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 20 Apr 16 1.01pm

Originally posted by DanH

What if you then got to see said snatch?

Why, are you offering to show me yours?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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DanH SW2 20 Apr 16 1.03pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Why, are you offering to show me yours? Check your PMs.
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SW2 20 Apr 16 1.03pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Why, are you offering to show me yours?

Check your PMs.

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johnfirewall 20 Apr 16 1.04pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 What I do object to though is the idea that its 'social engineering' by lefties and liberals, when gender roles are socially engineered to fit a norm anyhow. Enforcing gender stereotypes and expectations on children is no different really than that of religion. Its entirely about the wishes and needs of the parent, rather than their children. There's 2 normals, one dictated by society and one by biology. We could just start from scratch as a species and we wouldn't end up with the larger half i.e. 'males' having to catch the dinner because we'd all be capable of going to Tesco. Essentially what you're talking about is the same amount of evolutuion from this moment forward to have us all the same, which will probably happen. But if all we acheive is a society where we men and women all dress in shiny onesies like those distopian Sci-Fi films then we might as well have stayed as cave dwellers.
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20 Apr 16 1.04pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

What I do object to though is the idea that its 'social engineering' by lefties and liberals, when gender roles are socially engineered to fit a norm anyhow.

Enforcing gender stereotypes and expectations on children is no different really than that of religion. Its entirely about the wishes and needs of the parent, rather than their children.

There's 2 normals, one dictated by society and one by biology.

We could just start from scratch as a species and we wouldn't end up with the larger half i.e. 'males' having to catch the dinner because we'd all be capable of going to Tesco. Essentially what you're talking about is the same amount of evolutuion from this moment forward to have us all the same, which will probably happen. But if all we acheive is a society where we men and women all dress in shiny onesies like those distopian Sci-Fi films then we might as well have stayed as cave dwellers.

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Stirlingsays 20 Apr 16 1.05pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Of gender, true. Definitely wrong, from a biological perspective. Of how people see and experience their gender, not true. Of course you can reduce the experience of male and female down to winky and v-jay-jay, but that doesn't really tell you much. I'm very much a different type of p** owner than a lot of other p owners that I've met and heard of and have nothing in common really with other than we both have a p What I do object to though is the idea that its 'social engineering' by lefties and liberals, when gender roles are socially engineered to fit a norm anyhow. Enforcing gender stereotypes and expectations on children is no different really than that of religion. Its entirely about the wishes and needs of the parent, rather than their children. It's a lot more than just having a p**! The hormonal differences between the atypical male and female.....and let me stress this....as nature typically turns them out.....is very marked. It is definitely sensible to observe that nature is turning out two different types of human here both designed to do different roles. For males it is the de facto hunter/gatherer role with all the strength and hormonal differences laid out for all to see. These are ancient genes still being used by nature today for our modern world. We can't accurately blame everything on gender social engineering when the actual reality....very obvious to a school teacher and parent....is that genetics tend to play a very significant role for any individual.....the nature/nurture debate seems to be settling on a consensus of around (fifty-seventy) to (fifty-thirty) in favour of genetics. There will obviously be a minority of males or females who aren't atypical or who are varying degrees more or less atypical on a sliding scale. This accounts for all of us....We will all be in there.....However it doesn't leave room for ignoring nature's very obvious template for the sexes. No one should apologise for what essentially is a blueprint for the best chance of survival even if it doesn't quite fit the requirements of our modern western world. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2016 1.07pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Apr 16 1.05pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Of gender, true. Definitely wrong, from a biological perspective.

Of how people see and experience their gender, not true. Of course you can reduce the experience of male and female down to winky and v-jay-jay, but that doesn't really tell you much. I'm very much a different type of p**** owner than a lot of other p**** owners that I've met and heard of and have nothing in common really with other than we both have a p****

What I do object to though is the idea that its 'social engineering' by lefties and liberals, when gender roles are socially engineered to fit a norm anyhow.

Enforcing gender stereotypes and expectations on children is no different really than that of religion. Its entirely about the wishes and needs of the parent, rather than their children.

It's a lot more than just having a p****!

The hormonal differences between the atypical male and female.....and let me stress this....as nature typically turns them out.....is very marked.

It is definitely sensible to observe that nature is turning out two different types of human here both designed to do different roles. For males it is the de facto hunter/gatherer role with all the strength and hormonal differences laid out for all to see.

These are ancient genes still being used by nature today for our modern world.

We can't accurately blame everything on gender social engineering when the actual reality....very obvious to a school teacher and parent....is that genetics tend to play a very significant role for any individual.....the nature/nurture debate seems to be settling on a consensus of around (fifty-seventy) to (fifty-thirty) in favour of genetics.

There will obviously be a minority of males or females who aren't atypical or who are varying degrees more or less atypical on a sliding scale.

This accounts for all of us....We will all be in there.....However it doesn't leave room for ignoring nature's very obvious template for the sexes.

No one should apologise for what essentially is a blueprint for the best chance of survival even if it doesn't quite fit the requirements of our modern western world.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2016 1.07pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Apr 16 1.08pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall The people I've obvserved sending their daughter to school as Han Solo or son as Elsa from Frozen are most likely self-righteous wallies who forced this on the child for social media plaudits. If not then fair play, but you are talking as if no boy was ever bought a doll because no parent would allow it such a distortion of gender identity. You're right though. My mum had to tell me Wonderwoman was OK when I inadvertently pulled the toy out of the lucky dip at the school Summer fair. I don't agree with sending your kids to school 'cross dressed' either if its to prove a 'liberal point'. The whole idea really is that the kid should be making the decisions about their 'identity' not parents. Originally posted by johnfirewall The stereotypes probably pervade as a result of companies wanting to sell kids the opposite of what their brother/sister has. I think its largely the influence of their parents and society acting on their parents. As a rule, we are defined by social influences acting on us, and we also produce our own views through our social interactions. Originally posted by johnfirewall In the adult world however there's a plethora of imcompatible products and if you don't believe me check the pharmacy aisle... Although really if you'd rather your wife never wore a dress and you'd question why she feels pressured in to doing so then you've even outdone the raving liberals. True. The point is maybe that it shouldn't matter whether my wife wears a dress or trousers. Its that we choose, based entirely on social expectations and pressure, and that begins almost literally by birth. Originally posted by johnfirewall Why DO women wear dresses? Ridiculous and outdated. Edited by johnfirewall (20 Apr 2016 12.27pm) The question really is why don't men. When you buy clothes for yourself, why do you head for the men's wear section. Why do you buy 'mens coats and shirts' and never check the women's section? As a rule, women can wear dresses, trousers and skirts - women put this to bed a long time ago. Its us, men, who are constrained. Most men I know wouldn't wear something from the womens section even if they really liked it. Through fear of being judged or picked on, by other men. Same as when it comes to make up or jewellery. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 20 Apr 16 1.08pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

The people I've obvserved sending their daughter to school as Han Solo or son as Elsa from Frozen are most likely self-righteous wallies who forced this on the child for social media plaudits. If not then fair play, but you are talking as if no boy was ever bought a doll because no parent would allow it such a distortion of gender identity. You're right though. My mum had to tell me Wonderwoman was OK when I inadvertently pulled the toy out of the lucky dip at the school Summer fair.

I don't agree with sending your kids to school 'cross dressed' either if its to prove a 'liberal point'. The whole idea really is that the kid should be making the decisions about their 'identity' not parents.

Originally posted by johnfirewall
The stereotypes probably pervade as a result of companies wanting to sell kids the opposite of what their brother/sister has.

I think its largely the influence of their parents and society acting on their parents. As a rule, we are defined by social influences acting on us, and we also produce our own views through our social interactions.

Originally posted by johnfirewall
In the adult world however there's a plethora of imcompatible products and if you don't believe me check the pharmacy aisle... Although really if you'd rather your wife never wore a dress and you'd question why she feels pressured in to doing so then you've even outdone the raving liberals.

True. The point is maybe that it shouldn't matter whether my wife wears a dress or trousers. Its that we choose, based entirely on social expectations and pressure, and that begins almost literally by birth.

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Why DO women wear dresses? Ridiculous and outdated.

Edited by johnfirewall (20 Apr 2016 12.27pm)

The question really is why don't men. When you buy clothes for yourself, why do you head for the men's wear section. Why do you buy 'mens coats and shirts' and never check the women's section?

As a rule, women can wear dresses, trousers and skirts - women put this to bed a long time ago. Its us, men, who are constrained.

Most men I know wouldn't wear something from the womens section even if they really liked it. Through fear of being judged or picked on, by other men. Same as when it comes to make up or jewellery.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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We are goin up! Coulsdon 20 Apr 16 1.19pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 So you are in favour of social engineering then. Personally, I think we're actively stupid in making 'gender rules for children' at all, and this represents our own fixations on gender. The biological basis of gender doesn't exist, its a social conformity, that represents an observational basis, rather than individual experience, and in doing so engineers an 'accepted social norm' that's contradictory to the evidence. Although I was being flippant, I think we shouldn't separate and divide children by gender at all. We do this because we want to define our children, rather than let them define themselves. Is there really any reason why we treat boys and girls of this age so differently, that we are effectively conditioning and engineering them towards 'approved social roles'. Do kids really need different styles of dress, style, behaviour, toys and recreation based on whether they have a p** or v**. Of course they don't, we as adults are simply projecting our own 'values' onto them. Why is it that we cannot appreciate that there is a difference between our genders? There's a reason shopping centres on a Saturday are chock full of girls (and whipped boyfriends) and football grounds are full of blokes. We have differences, it's great that we do. This type of thinking is what leads to those fcking awful blokey feminist women who think it's OK for them to be fat and hairy and still be attractive to men. It leads to sensitive "men" who whiten their teeth and fake tan. It's ridiculous. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So you are in favour of social engineering then. Personally, I think we're actively stupid in making 'gender rules for children' at all, and this represents our own fixations on gender.

The biological basis of gender doesn't exist, its a social conformity, that represents an observational basis, rather than individual experience, and in doing so engineers an 'accepted social norm' that's contradictory to the evidence.

Although I was being flippant, I think we shouldn't separate and divide children by gender at all. We do this because we want to define our children, rather than let them define themselves.

Is there really any reason why we treat boys and girls of this age so differently, that we are effectively conditioning and engineering them towards 'approved social roles'. Do kids really need different styles of dress, style, behaviour, toys and recreation based on whether they have a p**** or v*****. Of course they don't, we as adults are simply projecting our own 'values' onto them.

Why is it that we cannot appreciate that there is a difference between our genders? There's a reason shopping centres on a Saturday are chock full of girls (and whipped boyfriends) and football grounds are full of blokes. We have differences, it's great that we do.

This type of thinking is what leads to those f*cking awful blokey feminist women who think it's OK for them to be fat and hairy and still be attractive to men. It leads to sensitive "men" who whiten their teeth and fake tan. It's ridiculous.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Stuk Top half 20 Apr 16 1.34pm
Originally posted by Islington Eagle This issue has probably no relevance to the majority of people but to the approx 1 in a 1,000 that is born "intersex" then it is very important. It is a more common issue than most people realise, and thankfully doctors and parents are more open now to not forcibly assigning genders to young infants which in the past led to mental and physical issues in later life. Let the children go with what they feel and they will feel much happier and will integrate easier into school. Don't judge others by your standards. As I say this issue is not aimed at most people but for some it will be very important. Perhaps it would be better for the parents and the schools to sort it out between themselves but not all parents might feel confident enough to do this. The left have done to death the 1% thing. But when it suits them they want to cater for the 0.1% Optimistic as ever
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Top half 20 Apr 16 1.34pm

Originally posted by Islington Eagle

This issue has probably no relevance to the majority of people but to the approx 1 in a 1,000 that is born "intersex" then it is very important. It is a more common issue than most people realise, and thankfully doctors and parents are more open now to not forcibly assigning genders to young infants which in the past led to mental and physical issues in later life.
Let the children go with what they feel and they will feel much happier and will integrate easier into school.
Don't judge others by your standards.

As I say this issue is not aimed at most people but for some it will be very important. Perhaps it would be better for the parents and the schools to sort it out between themselves but not all parents might feel confident enough to do this.

The left have done to death the 1% thing.

But when it suits them they want to cater for the 0.1%

Optimistic as ever

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johnno42000 20 Apr 16 1.37pm
One of the problems of saying you're a tiger dragon or unicorn is which bogs you use. I can see the sense in boys, girls and trans but I don't want no damn unicorn pissing next to my grandchildren. Edited by johnno42000 (20 Apr 2016 1.38pm) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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20 Apr 16 1.37pm

One of the problems of saying you're a tiger dragon or unicorn is which bogs you use. I can see the sense in boys, girls and trans but I don't want no damn unicorn pissing next to my grandchildren.

Edited by johnno42000 (20 Apr 2016 1.38pm)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Apr 16 2.24pm
Originally posted by We are goin up! [i]"Schools should be teaching kids to read and write, not prompting them to consider gender swaps" Tory MP Andrew Bridgen. Quite. I firmly agree as that's what kids go to school for !!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Apr 16 2.24pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!

[i]"Schools should be teaching kids to read and write, not prompting them to consider gender swaps" Tory MP Andrew Bridgen.

Quite.

I firmly agree as that's what kids go to school for !!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Apr 16 2.42pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt If you're born with bollocks and a knob, you're a bloke, whether you like it or not. I resent my taxes being used to have them removed and a new snatch being built. Are you born with bollocks, or do your bollocks descend? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 20 Apr 16 2.42pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

If you're born with bollocks and a knob, you're a bloke, whether you like it or not. I resent my taxes being used to have them removed and a new snatch being built.

Are you born with bollocks, or do your bollocks descend?

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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