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Stuk Top half 27 Apr 16 1.42pm
Control of pension schemes should be completely removed from the employer. If your job has a pension scheme it should be in control of the employee and ringfenced so that funds can only be added to it. BHS, Tata and all the others swanning off and expecting the government to cover the lack of pension funds is ridiculous. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 27 Apr 16 1.42pm

Control of pension schemes should be completely removed from the employer.

If your job has a pension scheme it should be in control of the employee and ringfenced so that funds can only be added to it.

BHS, Tata and all the others swanning off and expecting the government to cover the lack of pension funds is ridiculous.

Optimistic as ever

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Apr 16 2.08pm
I'd give his daughter one (or two), though. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 27 Apr 16 2.08pm

I'd give his daughter one (or two), though.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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DanH SW2 27 Apr 16 2.15pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I'd give his daughter one (or two), though. Would you asset strip her?
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SW2 27 Apr 16 2.15pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I'd give his daughter one (or two), though.

Would you asset strip her?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Apr 16 2.19pm
Originally posted by DanH Would you asset strip her? Yep, and I'd leave a gaping black hole afterwards. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 27 Apr 16 2.19pm

Originally posted by DanH

Would you asset strip her?

Yep, and I'd leave a gaping black hole afterwards.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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johnfirewall 27 Apr 16 2.36pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 As a confirmed definite leftie, capitalism isn't the problem, its people and the way that capitalism is implemented to serve the interests of those people with power and capital. Capitalism is such a broad subject, as it really refers to the idea of profit and loss accounting, and the means of turning surplus resources into benefit. You listen to some people and you'd think it is about creating poverty, eating babies and kicking cats. The issue really lies in the failure to regulate and control peoples capacity to use capitalism as an excuse to unethical and immoral ends (which arguably in some cases isn't capitalism anyhow). Of course there is a problem when its not actually a surplus of resources that are being 'exchanged' with corporate interests (such as child labour or regimes which are bankrolled by western powers to allow exploitation of their resources). We just like to call it capitalism. Adam Smith would never have stood for that kind of nonsense. I'm surprised you've not been kicked out for analysing a root cause rather than screaming Marxist rhetoric. That seems to be the default reaction on Facebook. I don't know if it's an age thing Edited by johnfirewall (27 Apr 2016 2.39pm)
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27 Apr 16 2.36pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

As a confirmed definite leftie, capitalism isn't the problem, its people and the way that capitalism is implemented to serve the interests of those people with power and capital.

Capitalism is such a broad subject, as it really refers to the idea of profit and loss accounting, and the means of turning surplus resources into benefit.

You listen to some people and you'd think it is about creating poverty, eating babies and kicking cats. The issue really lies in the failure to regulate and control peoples capacity to use capitalism as an excuse to unethical and immoral ends (which arguably in some cases isn't capitalism anyhow).

Of course there is a problem when its not actually a surplus of resources that are being 'exchanged' with corporate interests (such as child labour or regimes which are bankrolled by western powers to allow exploitation of their resources). We just like to call it capitalism.

Adam Smith would never have stood for that kind of nonsense.

I'm surprised you've not been kicked out for analysing a root cause rather than screaming Marxist rhetoric. That seems to be the default reaction on Facebook. I don't know if it's an age thing

Edited by johnfirewall (27 Apr 2016 2.39pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Apr 16 3.50pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall I'm surprised you've not been kicked out for analysing a root cause rather than screaming Marxist rhetoric. That seems to be the default reaction on Facebook. I don't know if it's an age thing Edited by johnfirewall (27 Apr 2016 2.39pm) Its what got me kicked out of the SWP. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 27 Apr 16 3.50pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

I'm surprised you've not been kicked out for analysing a root cause rather than screaming Marxist rhetoric. That seems to be the default reaction on Facebook. I don't know if it's an age thing

Edited by johnfirewall (27 Apr 2016 2.39pm)

Its what got me kicked out of the SWP.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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regal_eagle somewhere 27 Apr 16 3.58pm
So no TopMan t-shirts in the FACup Final song video then?!
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somewhere 27 Apr 16 3.58pm

So no TopMan t-shirts in the FACup Final song video then?!

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jul 16 2.09pm
Green et al have been ripped apart in this report... [Link] “Sir Philip Green, Dominic Chappell and the respective directors, advisers and hangers-on who all got rich or richer are all culpable, with the only losers the ordinary employees and pensioners,” the MPs verdict on BHS. Compare the news coverage of this proven scandal with the news coverage of alleged but unevidenced practices by Corbyn's supporters. Green should do time for this but he won't.
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Shizzlehurst 25 Jul 16 2.09pm

Green et al have been ripped apart in this report...

[Link]

“Sir Philip Green, Dominic Chappell and the respective directors, advisers and hangers-on who all got rich or richer are all culpable, with the only losers the ordinary employees and pensioners,” the MPs verdict on BHS.

Compare the news coverage of this proven scandal with the news coverage of alleged but unevidenced practices by Corbyn's supporters.

Green should do time for this but he won't.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jul 16 2.58pm
Problem is they will pay no serious price. Its like a company that lies in its advertising, sees an upturn of 200m in sales, but gets fined 5m for lying. There in lies the problem of capitalism, we are prone towards excusing its abuses far to easily, especially when that abuse is by those who have status and power within systems of capital. We've become increasingly Milton Freedman and Ayn Rynd, rather than Adam Smith, seeing capitalism as a tool for personal, rather than social benefit. Capitalism, at its basis, remains a system of exchange that applies a reasonable methodology for the valuation of limited resources - and will remain relevant until humanity can escape from that limitation through technological means. The problem is regulation, control and distribution of the benefits and gains from capitalism - which is really what Marx and Engels focused on - The failures of Capitalism, being of greater concern than its success "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 25 Jul 16 2.58pm

Problem is they will pay no serious price.

Its like a company that lies in its advertising, sees an upturn of 200m in sales, but gets fined 5m for lying.

There in lies the problem of capitalism, we are prone towards excusing its abuses far to easily, especially when that abuse is by those who have status and power within systems of capital.

We've become increasingly Milton Freedman and Ayn Rynd, rather than Adam Smith, seeing capitalism as a tool for personal, rather than social benefit.

Capitalism, at its basis, remains a system of exchange that applies a reasonable methodology for the valuation of limited resources - and will remain relevant until humanity can escape from that limitation through technological means.

The problem is regulation, control and distribution of the benefits and gains from capitalism - which is really what Marx and Engels focused on - The failures of Capitalism, being of greater concern than its success

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 25 Jul 16 3.10pm
Shouldn't this thread's title be "Sir Philip Green"? Notable tax evader, fraudster, con man and wide boy rewarded for service to his country with a knighthood. Come to think of it ...we don't get an awful lot right do we? Idiots and crooks seem to prevail. Who's next? Lord David Cameron? Sir George Osborne? Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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Shouldn't this thread's title be "Sir Philip Green"? Notable tax evader, fraudster, con man and wide boy rewarded for service to his country with a knighthood.

Come to think of it ...we don't get an awful lot right do we? Idiots and crooks seem to prevail.

Who's next? Lord David Cameron? Sir George Osborne?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

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Stuk Top half 25 Jul 16 3.16pm
Originally posted by Percy of Peckham Shouldn't this thread's title be "Sir Philip Green"? Notable tax evader, fraudster, con man and wide boy rewarded for service to his country with a knighthood. Come to think of it ...we don't get an awful lot right do we? Idiots and crooks seem to prevail. Who's next? Lord David Cameron? Sir George Osborne? Another Tony Blair decision. Like Fred Goodwin. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 25 Jul 16 3.16pm

Originally posted by Percy of Peckham

Shouldn't this thread's title be "Sir Philip Green"? Notable tax evader, fraudster, con man and wide boy rewarded for service to his country with a knighthood.

Come to think of it ...we don't get an awful lot right do we? Idiots and crooks seem to prevail.

Who's next? Lord David Cameron? Sir George Osborne?

Another Tony Blair decision. Like Fred Goodwin.

Optimistic as ever

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jul 16 3.26pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 As a confirmed definite leftie, capitalism isn't the problem, its people and the way that capitalism is implemented to serve the interests of those people with power and capital. Capitalism is such a broad subject, as it really refers to the idea of profit and loss accounting, and the means of turning surplus resources into benefit. You listen to some people and you'd think it is about creating poverty, eating babies and kicking cats. The issue really lies in the failure to regulate and control peoples capacity to use capitalism as an excuse to unethical and immoral ends (which arguably in some cases isn't capitalism anyhow). Of course there is a problem when its not actually a surplus of resources that are being 'exchanged' with corporate interests (such as child labour or regimes which are bankrolled by western powers to allow exploitation of their resources). We just like to call it capitalism. Adam Smith would never have stood for that kind of nonsense. You won't read a better post than this one on this subject.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

As a confirmed definite leftie, capitalism isn't the problem, its people and the way that capitalism is implemented to serve the interests of those people with power and capital.

Capitalism is such a broad subject, as it really refers to the idea of profit and loss accounting, and the means of turning surplus resources into benefit.

Adam Smith would never have stood for that kind of nonsense.

You won't read a better post than this one on this subject.

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