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Lilly near Seattle, WA. USA 17 Jan 03 8.55pm
Quote halfmanhalfslug at 17 Jan 2003 5:26pm Quote Bexter at 17 Jan 2003 5:20pm and people who can't be arsed to vote... errrrgh! if only about 2 more people could be more arsed to vote in america we probably wouldn't even be in this situation! I seem to remember that plenty of Floridians wanted to vote, but were prevented from doing so. The fact that they were almost 100% poor black people who would have voted Democrat is, I am sure, a coincidence. After all, cousin Jeb just wouldn't do anything corrupt, would he? He's a BUSH, goddam it! it was a horibly corupt situation and i think florda shold have been unable to affect the final election after all the problems esspesualy when news came out about road blocks in minority communities stopping people from going to the polls. whats worse is now we are stuck with he @$$ hole and because of him many young men women and children all over the world are going to suffer and die. if this war he wants starts nothing will limit it to the battlefeild. war has become uncivilised and hartless. long ago war would never stray from battlefeilds they were fought far from towns inocent people were not involved and they comonly fought at specified times and days. granted this was thousands of years ago. but my point is its not like that now. people will go to great langths now to go behind enemy lines to the towns that house there children. war has extended to the heart as well as the body of the solder and because of that we are all at risk. and our humanity gets lost behind walls of fire and napalm. heaven is a world where there's a new pair of socks for everyday.
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near Seattle, WA. USA 17 Jan 03 8.55pm

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 17 Jan 2003 5:26pm

Quote Bexter at 17 Jan 2003 5:20pm

and people who can't be arsed to vote... errrrgh! if only about 2 more people could be more arsed to vote in america we probably wouldn't even be in this situation!

I seem to remember that plenty of Floridians wanted to vote, but were prevented from doing so. The fact that they were almost 100% poor black people who would have voted Democrat is, I am sure, a coincidence. After all, cousin Jeb just wouldn't do anything corrupt, would he? He's a BUSH, goddam it!

it was a horibly corupt situation and i think florda shold have been unable to affect the final election after all the problems esspesualy when news came out about road blocks in minority communities stopping people from going to the polls. whats worse is now we are stuck with he @$$ hole and because of him many young men women and children all over the world are going to suffer and die. if this war he wants starts nothing will limit it to the battlefeild. war has become uncivilised and hartless. long ago war would never stray from battlefeilds they were fought far from towns inocent people were not involved and they comonly fought at specified times and days. granted this was thousands of years ago. but my point is its not like that now. people will go to great langths now to go behind enemy lines to the towns that house there children. war has extended to the heart as well as the body of the solder and because of that we are all at risk. and our humanity gets lost behind walls of fire and napalm.

heaven is a world where there's a new pair of socks for everyday.

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vindaloo 17 Jan 03 9.09pm
Quote Lilly at 17 Jan 2003 8:55pm Quote halfmanhalfslug at 17 Jan 2003 5:26pm Quote Bexter at 17 Jan 2003 5:20pm and people who can't be arsed to vote... errrrgh! if only about 2 more people could be more arsed to vote in america we probably wouldn't even be in this situation! I seem to remember that plenty of Floridians wanted to vote, but were prevented from doing so. The fact that they were almost 100% poor black people who would have voted Democrat is, I am sure, a coincidence. After all, cousin Jeb just wouldn't do anything corrupt, would he? He's a BUSH, goddam it! long ago war would never stray from battlefeilds they were fought far from towns inocent people were not involved and they comonly fought at specified times and days. granted this was thousands of years ago. but my point is its not like that now. Eh? Thousands of people died in London and Dresden alone in the 2nd world war. Tens/hundreds of thousands died at Hiroshima. Civilian casualties are a sad side to war but it's hardly a new thing. "Crystal Palace nuts are we , we love Iain Dowie"
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17 Jan 03 9.09pm

Quote Lilly at 17 Jan 2003 8:55pm

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 17 Jan 2003 5:26pm

Quote Bexter at 17 Jan 2003 5:20pm

and people who can't be arsed to vote... errrrgh! if only about 2 more people could be more arsed to vote in america we probably wouldn't even be in this situation!

long ago war would never stray from battlefeilds they were fought far from towns inocent people were not involved and they comonly fought at specified times and days. granted this was thousands of years ago. but my point is its not like that now.

Eh?
Thousands of people died in London and Dresden alone in the 2nd world war. Tens/hundreds of thousands died at Hiroshima.

Civilian casualties are a sad side to war but it's hardly a new thing.

"Crystal Palace nuts are we , we love Iain Dowie"

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Lilly near Seattle, WA. USA 17 Jan 03 10.14pm
Eh? Thousands of people died in London and Dresden alone in the 2nd world war. Tens/hundreds of thousands died at Hiroshima. Civilian casualties are a sad side to war but it's hardly a new thing. i wasnt trying to imply thst it is a new thing thats why i said it was like that thousands of years ago i was simply saying that it is how it is and it horible and what we are headed for again heaven is a world where there's a new pair of socks for everyday.
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near Seattle, WA. USA 17 Jan 03 10.14pm

Eh?
Thousands of people died in London and Dresden alone in the 2nd world war. Tens/hundreds of thousands died at Hiroshima.

Civilian casualties are a sad side to war but it's hardly a new thing.

i wasnt trying to imply thst it is a new thing thats why i said it was like that thousands of years ago i was simply saying that it is how it is and it horible and what we are headed for again

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vindaloo 17 Jan 03 10.32pm
Point taken on that - i see what you mean. As civilian casualties are an enivitable factor of war , do you really think that Bush is prepared to do this unless he has at least reasonable doubt that saddam is capable of some sort of nuclear attack.? If it was just for oil (the immenent attack on Iraq) at least it would give some sort of reason for this. Do you really think that he is doing this just to impress his father .? I'm not asking these questions in a confrontational way at all , i would just like to know an american view on why this war is going to happen.? "Crystal Palace nuts are we , we love Iain Dowie"
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vindaloo

17 Jan 03 10.32pm

Point taken on that - i see what you mean.

As civilian casualties are an enivitable factor of war , do you really think that Bush is prepared to do this unless he has at least reasonable doubt that saddam is capable of some sort of nuclear attack.?
If it was just for oil (the immenent attack on Iraq) at least it would give some sort of reason for this. Do you really think that he is doing this just to impress his father .?

I'm not asking these questions in a confrontational way at all , i would just like to know an american view on why this war is going to happen.?

"Crystal Palace nuts are we , we love Iain Dowie"

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Tstack Rolling Prarie, Indiana 18 Jan 03 3.47am
AH, the American view. I guess that's my cue. (I really need to start checking ALL Talk more...) I think Bush looks like a big Warmonger in my book. Hello, what happened to Bin Laden and the Taliban??? Not to say Saddam Hussain isn't acting like a little prick but all he really seems to be is a good wind up merchant. If he starts doing something stupid like invading Kuwait again, then fine, send in the Air Force again and have his army give up to the TV reporters covering the assault. (again) Remember Libya and Kadaffi and his vaunted "Line of Death"? Haven't heard from them in the past 20 years have we? Because after we spanked them, we sent them to their room and we LEFT THEM ALONE. Since when have we left Iraq alone since 91? We've been squabbaling back and forth ever since. We have spys, if they build nukes, take them away from them. I have to refer to the song at the beginning to this thread that there is more then a shread of truth to that! And I think that is kind of the underlying feeling here in the heartland of America. Now North Korea, they seem scarier then the Iraq nation. But I digress. What does all this have to do with fighting the Taliban???? Oct 26 2002-- Palace 5 Weed 0!!!
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Rolling Prarie, Indiana 18 Jan 03 3.47am

AH, the American view. I guess that's my cue. (I really need to start checking ALL Talk more...) I think Bush looks like a big Warmonger in my book. Hello, what happened to Bin Laden and the Taliban??? Not to say Saddam Hussain isn't acting like a little prick but all he really seems to be is a good wind up merchant. If he starts doing something stupid like invading Kuwait again, then fine, send in the Air Force again and have his army give up to the TV reporters covering the assault. (again) Remember Libya and Kadaffi and his vaunted "Line of Death"? Haven't heard from them in the past 20 years have we? Because after we spanked them, we sent them to their room and we LEFT THEM ALONE. Since when have we left Iraq alone since 91? We've been squabbaling back and forth ever since. We have spys, if they build nukes, take them away from them. I have to refer to the song at the beginning to this thread that there is more then a shread of truth to that! And I think that is kind of the underlying feeling here in the heartland of America. Now North Korea, they seem scarier then the Iraq nation. But I digress. What does all this have to do with fighting the Taliban????

Oct 26 2002-- Palace 5 Weed 0!!!

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eryr Caerphillydelphia 18 Jan 03 10.48am
Great song. Good luck to all those going on anti-war marches. Unfortunately, I don't think Bush and Blair will take any notice, so intent are they are whipping Saddam's a$$. Perhaps if they put pressure on the likes of Israel to respect UN resolutions in the same way that we demand of Iraq, some of us anti-war brigade may see the conflict ahead slightly differently. Dulce et decorum est pro Palace mori "Gee, you and I oughtta get on swell Mister Burton, as we're both Selts". "No, I am a Selt. You are a Sunt." "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not." ~ Stephen Wright [Link]
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Caerphillydelphia 18 Jan 03 10.48am

Great song. Good luck to all those going on anti-war marches. Unfortunately, I don't think Bush and Blair will take any notice, so intent are they are whipping Saddam's a$$. Perhaps if they put pressure on the likes of Israel to respect UN resolutions in the same way that we demand of Iraq, some of us anti-war brigade may see the conflict ahead slightly differently.

Dulce et decorum est pro Palace mori

"Gee, you and I oughtta get on swell Mister Burton, as we're both Selts".
"No, I am a Selt. You are a Sunt."

"24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not." ~ Stephen Wright

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Lilly near Seattle, WA. USA 21 Jan 03 8.06am
marches went well amd i am doing this "Time: Tuesday, January 21st, 12 noon Place: Federal Building Plaza, Marion/Madison on 2nd Avenue in Seattle Why: Thirty people, representing individuals and organizations from all over the state, will meet with Senators Murray and Cantwell to proclaim the local opposition to our country's invasion of Iraq. They will hand deliver over 9,000 signatures from Washington residents and read some of the signer's comments. (Washington is third in number of signatures on this nationwide petition behind only California and New York.)" heaven is a world where there's a new pair of socks for everyday.
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near Seattle, WA. USA 21 Jan 03 8.06am

marches went well amd i am doing this

"Time: Tuesday, January 21st, 12 noon

Place: Federal Building Plaza, Marion/Madison on 2nd Avenue in Seattle

Why: Thirty people, representing individuals and organizations from all over the state, will meet with Senators Murray and Cantwell to proclaim the local opposition to our country's invasion of Iraq.

They will hand deliver over 9,000 signatures from Washington residents and read some of the signer's comments. (Washington is third in number of signatures on this nationwide petition behind only California and New York.)"

heaven is a world where there's a new pair of socks for everyday.

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the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 21 Jan 03 8.59am
Quote halfmanhalfslug at 17 Jan 2003 5:26pm Quote Bexter at 17 Jan 2003 5:20pm and people who can't be arsed to vote... errrrgh! if only about 2 more people could be more arsed to vote in america we probably wouldn't even be in this situation! I seem to remember that plenty of Floridians wanted to vote, but were prevented from doing so. The fact that they were almost 100% poor black people who would have voted Democrat is, I am sure, a coincidence. After all, cousin Jeb just wouldn't do anything corrupt, would he? He's a BUSH, goddam it! Annoyingly, I can't remember the details and I don't have access to them right now, but as far as I can remember, in Florida (I think) the Bush family gave a large donation to the company responsible for deciding who in the state would be allowed to vote or not on the condition that anyone with a criminal record was barred from voting. They knew full well that this would bar many of the state's black residents from voting, and by coincidence, 9 out of 10 black people in Florida favoured the opposition Democrats...odd, eh? Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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Quote halfmanhalfslug at 17 Jan 2003 5:26pm

Quote Bexter at 17 Jan 2003 5:20pm

and people who can't be arsed to vote... errrrgh! if only about 2 more people could be more arsed to vote in america we probably wouldn't even be in this situation!

Annoyingly, I can't remember the details and I don't have access to them right now, but as far as I can remember, in Florida (I think) the Bush family gave a large donation to the company responsible for deciding who in the state would be allowed to vote or not on the condition that anyone with a criminal record was barred from voting. They knew full well that this would bar many of the state's black residents from voting, and by coincidence, 9 out of 10 black people in Florida favoured the opposition Democrats...odd, eh?

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

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eulalio Girls just wanna have Funt 24 Jan 03 8.18am
I see Rumsfeld is now offering Saddam an amnesty against prosecution if he leaves Iraq now. Yet more unbelievable chutzpah from the Septic Tanks -- how can they have the nerve to offer exemption from a court which they refuse to even recognise?! And people say Americans don't understand irony... face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno
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Girls just wanna have Funt 24 Jan 03 8.18am

I see Rumsfeld is now offering Saddam an amnesty against prosecution if he leaves Iraq now. Yet more unbelievable chutzpah from the Septic Tanks -- how can they have the nerve to offer exemption from a court which they refuse to even recognise?!

And people say Americans don't understand irony...

face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005
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Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno

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Lilly near Seattle, WA. USA 24 Jan 03 11.00am
sometimes i wish my family had never left sweeden they have it right dont bother yourself with war just do a bunch of sex studys that show redheads make the best lovers. heaven is a world where there's a new pair of socks for everyday.
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near Seattle, WA. USA 24 Jan 03 11.00am

sometimes i wish my family had never left sweeden they have it right dont bother yourself with war just do a bunch of sex studys that show redheads make the best lovers.

heaven is a world where there's a new pair of socks for everyday.

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eulalio Girls just wanna have Funt 24 Jan 03 3.16pm
Quote Lilly at 24 Jan 2003 11:00am sometimes i wish my family had never left sweeden they have it right dont bother yourself with war just do a bunch of sex studys that show redheads make the best lovers. LOL, that should make Marco and Matt the Eagle happy!! face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno
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eulalio

Girls just wanna have Funt 24 Jan 03 3.16pm

Quote Lilly at 24 Jan 2003 11:00am

sometimes i wish my family had never left sweeden they have it right dont bother yourself with war just do a bunch of sex studys that show redheads make the best lovers.

LOL, that should make Marco and Matt the Eagle happy!!

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matt_the_eagle Tulse Thrill 24 Jan 03 5.04pm
As if. I'm blonde, repeat, blonde. I think Keith Murray said it best when he rapped "If you aint fly you cant play with my yo-yo". I'm sure you'll agree.
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As if.

I'm blonde, repeat, blonde.

I think Keith Murray said it best when he rapped
"If you aint fly you cant play with my yo-yo".

I'm sure you'll agree.

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