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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Jan 21 11.12am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by robdave2k

I don’t post here overly frequently and this is not a sympathy post.

I run my own accountancy practice and have seen the toll that Covid has taken on businesses everywhere. The uncertainty, the cost and everything in between. In the past year I’ve had less than 15 days off including weekends often finding that rules we have learned change with no notice and I’ve seen the damage to businesses up close. I’m not a called key worker, but like many other people out there you get your head down and on with the job.

On a personal level I spent five days over the last week watching (and I use that term loosely) my dad pass away from Covid pneumonia . My mum also has it as do I now (I tested positive the day after he passed)

16 months ago someone (probably) ate a bat in a Chinese market and that led to the death of a 72 year old man in the middle of England.

This is a vile disease and having now seen it up close I can begin to comprehend how difficult this must be the frontline staff, gp’s, care home workers etc. I can also understand why people may be not worried about Covid as I’ve had nothing more than what feels like a cold and been very tired, as has my mum. On a third level I can also see what an impossible job this is to manage for those in charge.

The doctors initially misdiagnosed this while he was still at home and he was not exhibiting any signs that would have gone “yep that’s Covid”. He was also taking shielding seriously and we were all being careful. It took a doctor in A&E to figure it out. I hold no malice towards the medical staff as they are doing an incredible job.

The Government (whoever they may be) has a thankless task here. Whatever they do there will be criticism from somewhere. They always say that a person is smart and people are stupid and never before has this been more true. You can introduce every rule in the world, but there needs to be personal responsibility too, which sadly if even 1% of the population don’t follow then it f**** it for the rest of us.

Having seen the way PPE is used I can understand why there is a shortage. There is a demand from all areas and each area is also using more. The front line staff quietly get on with their job and the ones I’ve spoken to recognise this is unchartered water.

I think the other issue is that we are used to being “free” and also being in control and with this we are neither. Has the Government got a lot wrong - absolutely, but whatever you do you’re damned and there will he voices yelling

You close the borders - you are restricting free movement

You bring in lockdown - you kill the economy

You open it back up - you should be locking down

Human movement has never been so free, The public are not used to being told “no”. I drove through Leicester last summer shortly before they entered lockdown and doing that you could see why. As you went from the suburbs to the more ethically influenced areas you could see why it was coming. There was no social distancing, and everything was very close together. The local community leaders were saying that the Government needed to recognise that it was different in these families and communities and they should be given different rules. That’s true, but if that’s the case then you also have to accept the restrictions that come with it.

I think one of their biggest mistakes ironically was bringing in the term keyworker. What happened was a group of people suddenly became more “validated”. If you notice - frontline NHS staff rarely refer to them key workers, they call themselves a nurse/doctor/caregiver. My father was an ex policeman of 35 years and he would have thought of himself as a copper still doing his job. I know of one individual who did typing for an NHS surgery and immediately shielded last year on full pay despite having very mild Asthma. We’ve then had to watch every post about how “key” she is - claiming every discount, and yet she took the job for the money. She’s now left to go to another job as they asked her to work a different day. She was also out all over the summer.

Our local paper ran an article last week showing hundreds of workers being brought in from London to slice vegetables under the term “keyworker”.

Have people a right to be angry over what is happening here - absolutely. But whether you sit left, centre or right on the political spectrum is irrelevant. This disease is non political and in terms of people you can’t cure stupid. When social distancing and the clap started my next door neighbours actually held a family bbq so they could all clap together. When you have stupid like that around - you are screwed trying to control it.

I have to say the one group that have really pissed me off are teachers. There are some truly amazing ones out there but there are also some militant b******s out there that don’t give a crap about education. A couple of local heads put out a release round here saying they teachers were key workers and were “selflessly giving up their time each day in virtual classes to teach your children”. There was me under the impression that’s what they got paid to do. Another teacher complained she had to do “a few hours work” over xmas.

I also saw two hgv drivers pissing up their lorries and returning to the cabs without sanitising. I got back a reply saying they were key workers and had selflessly been continuing to work. I’ve worked with HGV drivers and I’ve never met one who wouldn’t do a minute extra without overtime and these guys were parked outside the f***** services. Yet you throw in the term “keyworker” and its like suddenly all ok. Worse still they were delivering food!

The virus has brought into focus both the good and bad in society. But it’s also brought into stark contrast the battle between personal freedom and rights v National Interest. Aside from doing the job of governing you have to navigate the minefield of political correctness and be aware that whatever you decide it will be wrong to a group of people. Whatever you do you are discriminating or not caring about a particular group and I think those who have the most right to claim they have been put at risk are generally the quietest. My respect for the Police, care workers, NHS frontline staff has grown as it has for those who have taken the pandemic seriously. The flip side is my respect for the leadership of certain professions and jobs has taken a massive decrease and it has for the selfless b******s who go “what about my rights”

Seeing the constant criticism and hindsight is also draining.

This is our titanic moment. We’ve hit the iceberg and our collective focus should be who gets on the lifeboat first and sadly there isn’t enough to go round. 100+ years ago it was women and children first and there was clearly defined order. Not saying it was right but it was there.

Now we are trying to get people into the lifeboats and while the majority are following instructions - there are groups wanting to walk there differently “as it’s their right”, demanding to be first “as it’s their right”.

Then to really add a spice to it you have groups of people demanding to be prioritised, those who are telling you it’s all wrong and another group of people denying you’ve hit it at all and complaining they can’t get a drink!

We’ve conditioned ourselves as a society that we are unsinkable (though they never said that I know) and you are trying to deal with something that no one could have foretold exactly what it was going to be. There is also far more stupid people and ones who only think of themselves.

Through the evacuation who are keyworkers changes The care givers and protectors are constants of course.

At the start it’s the ones who try and stem the water flow, then it’s the people aiding the giving out lifejackets, then it’s the ones readying the boats and so on, then it’s the ones who are rowing etc.

All each of us can realistically do is be mindful of others and to take personal responsibility for the parts we can control. There is always going to be some b****** out there who will screw it up for you. Any rule you introduce is only going to be as good as the people following it and sadly the ones who will follow the rules aren’t the problem.

Sensible post which sums up where we are at.
Sorry about your father mate.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Jan 21 5.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

France has just bought in a nationwide curfew from 6pm starting on Saturday. Now that is radical.

Edited by cryrst (14 Jan 2021 5.25pm)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Jan 21 7.52pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

France has just bought in a nationwide curfew from 6pm starting on Saturday. Now that is radical.

Edited by cryrst (14 Jan 2021 5.25pm)

Lazy, work shy, work hating feckers, that’s why. Means they can spend 6 hours at dinner instead of 4.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 14 Jan 21 8.02pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Lazy, work shy, work hating feckers, that’s why. Means they can spend 6 hours at dinner instead of 4.

Think they got it sussed! No cap tipping over there!

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Jan 21 8.53pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Think they got it sussed! No cap tipping over there!

They were on an inevitable path to ruin or severe belt tightening looming at their debt to GDP. Did you ever see the welfare they claim and freebies the government hands out that nobody was paying for? Maybe after Covid it won’t seem as bad as everyone else’s, but maybe their citizens won’t take kindly to government support they can afford rather than they demand or expect.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 14 Jan 21 8.59pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

They were on an inevitable path to ruin or severe belt tightening looming at their debt to GDP. Did you ever see the welfare they claim and freebies the government hands out that nobody was paying for? Maybe after Covid it won’t seem as bad as everyone else’s, but maybe their citizens won’t take kindly to government support they can afford rather than they demand or expect.

Hardly, as France will be receiving a large chunk of the EU reconstruction loan of 750 billion euros.

As for a path to ruin you need to look closer to home.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Jan 21 9.06pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Hardly, as France will be receiving a large chunk of the EU reconstruction loan of 750 billion euros.

As for a path to ruin you need to look closer to home.

Yeah not surprised. Best off out of their stitch up.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 14 Jan 21 10.09pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Hardly, as France will be receiving a large chunk of the EU reconstruction loan of 750 billion euros.

As for a path to ruin you need to look closer to home.

So just more National Debt really then?

 


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Originally posted by robdave2k

I don’t post here overly frequently and this is not a sympathy post.

I run my own accountancy practice and have seen the toll that Covid has taken on businesses everywhere. The uncertainty, the cost and everything in between. In the past year I’ve had less than 15 days off including weekends often finding that rules we have learned change with no notice and I’ve seen the damage to businesses up close. I’m not a called key worker, but like many other people out there you get your head down and on with the job.

On a personal level I spent five days over the last week watching (and I use that term loosely) my dad pass away from Covid pneumonia . My mum also has it as do I now (I tested positive the day after he passed)

16 months ago someone (probably) ate a bat in a Chinese market and that led to the death of a 72 year old man in the middle of England.

This is a vile disease and having now seen it up close I can begin to comprehend how difficult this must be the frontline staff, gp’s, care home workers etc. I can also understand why people may be not worried about Covid as I’ve had nothing more than what feels like a cold and been very tired, as has my mum. On a third level I can also see what an impossible job this is to manage for those in charge.

The doctors initially misdiagnosed this while he was still at home and he was not exhibiting any signs that would have gone “yep that’s Covid”. He was also taking shielding seriously and we were all being careful. It took a doctor in A&E to figure it out. I hold no malice towards the medical staff as they are doing an incredible job.

The Government (whoever they may be) has a thankless task here. Whatever they do there will be criticism from somewhere. They always say that a person is smart and people are stupid and never before has this been more true. You can introduce every rule in the world, but there needs to be personal responsibility too, which sadly if even 1% of the population don’t follow then it f**** it for the rest of us.

Having seen the way PPE is used I can understand why there is a shortage. There is a demand from all areas and each area is also using more. The front line staff quietly get on with their job and the ones I’ve spoken to recognise this is unchartered water.

I think the other issue is that we are used to being “free” and also being in control and with this we are neither. Has the Government got a lot wrong - absolutely, but whatever you do you’re damned and there will he voices yelling

You close the borders - you are restricting free movement

You bring in lockdown - you kill the economy

You open it back up - you should be locking down

Human movement has never been so free, The public are not used to being told “no”. I drove through Leicester last summer shortly before they entered lockdown and doing that you could see why. As you went from the suburbs to the more ethically influenced areas you could see why it was coming. There was no social distancing, and everything was very close together. The local community leaders were saying that the Government needed to recognise that it was different in these families and communities and they should be given different rules. That’s true, but if that’s the case then you also have to accept the restrictions that come with it.

I think one of their biggest mistakes ironically was bringing in the term keyworker. What happened was a group of people suddenly became more “validated”. If you notice - frontline NHS staff rarely refer to them key workers, they call themselves a nurse/doctor/caregiver. My father was an ex policeman of 35 years and he would have thought of himself as a copper still doing his job. I know of one individual who did typing for an NHS surgery and immediately shielded last year on full pay despite having very mild Asthma. We’ve then had to watch every post about how “key” she is - claiming every discount, and yet she took the job for the money. She’s now left to go to another job as they asked her to work a different day. She was also out all over the summer.

Our local paper ran an article last week showing hundreds of workers being brought in from London to slice vegetables under the term “keyworker”.

Have people a right to be angry over what is happening here - absolutely. But whether you sit left, centre or right on the political spectrum is irrelevant. This disease is non political and in terms of people you can’t cure stupid. When social distancing and the clap started my next door neighbours actually held a family bbq so they could all clap together. When you have stupid like that around - you are screwed trying to control it.

I have to say the one group that have really pissed me off are teachers. There are some truly amazing ones out there but there are also some militant b******s out there that don’t give a crap about education. A couple of local heads put out a release round here saying they teachers were key workers and were “selflessly giving up their time each day in virtual classes to teach your children”. There was me under the impression that’s what they got paid to do. Another teacher complained she had to do “a few hours work” over xmas.

I also saw two hgv drivers pissing up their lorries and returning to the cabs without sanitising. I got back a reply saying they were key workers and had selflessly been continuing to work. I’ve worked with HGV drivers and I’ve never met one who wouldn’t do a minute extra without overtime and these guys were parked outside the f***** services. Yet you throw in the term “keyworker” and its like suddenly all ok. Worse still they were delivering food!

The virus has brought into focus both the good and bad in society. But it’s also brought into stark contrast the battle between personal freedom and rights v National Interest. Aside from doing the job of governing you have to navigate the minefield of political correctness and be aware that whatever you decide it will be wrong to a group of people. Whatever you do you are discriminating or not caring about a particular group and I think those who have the most right to claim they have been put at risk are generally the quietest. My respect for the Police, care workers, NHS frontline staff has grown as it has for those who have taken the pandemic seriously. The flip side is my respect for the leadership of certain professions and jobs has taken a massive decrease and it has for the selfless b******s who go “what about my rights”

Seeing the constant criticism and hindsight is also draining.

This is our titanic moment. We’ve hit the iceberg and our collective focus should be who gets on the lifeboat first and sadly there isn’t enough to go round. 100+ years ago it was women and children first and there was clearly defined order. Not saying it was right but it was there.

Now we are trying to get people into the lifeboats and while the majority are following instructions - there are groups wanting to walk there differently “as it’s their right”, demanding to be first “as it’s their right”.

Then to really add a spice to it you have groups of people demanding to be prioritised, those who are telling you it’s all wrong and another group of people denying you’ve hit it at all and complaining they can’t get a drink!

We’ve conditioned ourselves as a society that we are unsinkable (though they never said that I know) and you are trying to deal with something that no one could have foretold exactly what it was going to be. There is also far more stupid people and ones who only think of themselves.

Through the evacuation who are keyworkers changes The care givers and protectors are constants of course.

At the start it’s the ones who try and stem the water flow, then it’s the people aiding the giving out lifejackets, then it’s the ones readying the boats and so on, then it’s the ones who are rowing etc.

All each of us can realistically do is be mindful of others and to take personal responsibility for the parts we can control. There is always going to be some b****** out there who will screw it up for you. Any rule you introduce is only going to be as good as the people following it and sadly the ones who will follow the rules aren’t the problem.


Thanks for posting. I found your story quite moving and of course am really sorry to hear about your Dad, and hope that your Mum pulls through OK, as well as yourself. When these things happen it really makes you re-evaluate what's important. It isn't success or money. It's love, and you show some in your post. So good on you for that.

You also speak words of wisdom which I hope others will read and heed.

I hope your next post tells us that both you and your Mum are recovering and able to start grieving. My thoughts are with you. Take care.

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 14 Jan 21 11.49pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Thanks for posting. I found your story quite moving and of course am really sorry to hear about your Dad, and hope that your Mum pulls through OK, as well as yourself. When these things happen it really makes you re-evaluate what's important. It isn't success or money. It's love, and you show some in your post. So good on you for that.

You also speak words of wisdom which I hope others will read and heed.

I hope your next post tells us that both you and your Mum are recovering and able to start grieving. My thoughts are with you. Take care.

I second that.

I am so sorry for your loss robdave2k and I wish you and your mum a full and speedy recovery.

 

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View robdave2k's Profile robdave2k Flag 14 Jan 21 11.51pm Send a Private Message to robdave2k Add robdave2k as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Thanks for posting. I found your story quite moving and of course am really sorry to hear about your Dad, and hope that your Mum pulls through OK, as well as yourself. When these things happen it really makes you re-evaluate what's important. It isn't success or money. It's love, and you show some in your post. So good on you for that.

You also speak words of wisdom which I hope others will read and heed.

I hope your next post tells us that both you and your Mum are recovering and able to start grieving. My thoughts are with you. Take care.

Thank you WE. Whilst you and I will not agree on certain things I thank you for your sentiments.

This virus is non discriminatory but also doesn’t affect everyone the same way. Myself and my mum are tired and yet my dad passed away.

At the end of the day he was 72 and unlikely to register as anything other than a statistic than those close to him, But he will forever be my best friend - though being born 10 miles north would have made me a Chelsea Fan.

This is a very real virus and it I just hope it leads to society regaining something it’s lost- a sense of community and understanding of each other.

Am I angry - yes: But rather than at those making the decisions those who are criticising or denying. I was probably too flippant in early days, but there is stark reality to face here. If you want personal freedom then you have to give back to society by doing what is right for everyone and not just your own person.

In a week I could say “f*** it” as I’ve had it, my dad dead and my mum immune - but I wouldn’t wish seeing this on anyone so the greater good has to kick in.

Edited by robdave2k (14 Jan 2021 11.56pm)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 15 Jan 21 12.26am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I keep thinking he’s about to burst into tears

Hopefully they will fall on the signature line of whatever dodgy government Covid contract happens to be on the table that day.

 

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