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View PZ Eagle's Profile PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 10 Jan 21 6.36pm Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Speroni, Ward, Mariappa, Dann, Bolasie, Dikgacoi, Puncheon, Jedinak, Delaney, Gabbidon, Moxey, Ledley, Chamakh, Bannan, Jerome.

These were the players that Pulis attained a 11th place finish with. No Zaha, Cabaye, Benteke, Townsend etc etc.
Hodgson inherited a decent squad, including later signings Sahko, Milivojevic, Schlupp, Van Aanholt, Riedewald. Let's add a few of his own signings: Kouyate, Ayew, Cahill. Notable mention also for Eze and the timely coming good of Wan Bissaka and Mitchell. How is it that he hasn't been able to better Pulis's finish with a squad he says is his best?

Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Jan 2021 6.28pm)

The season is not over yet!

 


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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 10 Jan 21 8.05pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Speroni, Ward, Mariappa, Dann, Bolasie, Dikgacoi, Puncheon, Jedinak, Delaney, Gabbidon, Moxey, Ledley, Chamakh, Bannan, Jerome.

These were the players that Pulis attained a 11th place finish with. No Zaha, Cabaye, Benteke, Townsend etc etc.
Hodgson inherited a decent squad, including later signings Sahko, Milivojevic, Schlupp, Van Aanholt, Riedewald. Let's add a few of his own signings: Kouyate, Ayew, Cahill. Notable mention also for Eze and the timely coming good of Wan Bissaka and Mitchell. How is it that he hasn't been able to better Pulis's finish with a squad he says is his best?

Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Jan 2021 6.28pm)


Perhaps because the other clubs in the league also have their best squads mainly because they've spent more money than we4 have.

 

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View Elwissthebest's Profile Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 10 Jan 21 8.16pm Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

'The season is not over yet!'

Really? It feels as if it is. Great Cup run. Top half finish? Dream on. The usual scramble to get to 38 points is what awaits us. Oh, and it would be good if we could beat Brighton. That's all anyone at CPFC's really bothered about (apart from the fans).

SouthNorwoodHill's excellent point about what Pulis achieved with what he had to work with is still to receive a convincing answer.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Jan 21 8.21pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

'The season is not over yet!'

Really? It feels as if it is. Great Cup run. Top half finish? Dream on. The usual scramble to get to 38 points is what awaits us. Oh, and it would be good if we could beat Brighton. That's all anyone at CPFC's really bothered about (apart from the fans).

SouthNorwoodHill's excellent point about what Pulis achieved with what he had to work with is still to receive a convincing answer.

I did want to say that Pulis' team looked pretty poor on paper. However, we seemed to have some real guts and glory fighting spirit in that team. We don't seem to have that kind of team now. Although, there are a couple of 'fiery' characters in our squad, like perhaps McArthur and Milo.
Is this the manager's fault? Not 100 percent sure.

 


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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 10 Jan 21 8.32pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

'The season is not over yet!'

Really? It feels as if it is. Great Cup run. Top half finish? Dream on. The usual scramble to get to 38 points is what awaits us. Oh, and it would be good if we could beat Brighton. That's all anyone at CPFC's really bothered about (apart from the fans).

SouthNorwoodHill's excellent point about what Pulis achieved with what he had to work with is still to receive a convincing answer.

As I previously posted, my opinion is that the level of technical skill, speed, fitness, intensity, tactical planning and general squad depth has increased hugely over the last eight years.

Pulis achieved what he did over the course of less than one season and then walked after behaving like a complete slag by all accounts. Clearly he didn't fancy his chances of keeping us up a second season.

With regard to Roy he managed 49 points in 2018-19. I think is the most in the eight years.

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 10 Jan 21 9.22pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

'The season is not over yet!'

Really? It feels as if it is. Great Cup run. Top half finish? Dream on. The usual scramble to get to 38 points is what awaits us. Oh, and it would be good if we could beat Brighton. That's all anyone at CPFC's really bothered about (apart from the fans).

SouthNorwoodHill's excellent point about what Pulis achieved with what he had to work with is still to receive a convincing answer.

Maybe what Pulis did was akin to what Wilder did last season? Only we have managed to stay up since. The jury is still out for Sheffield United.

 


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View AuntyAnne70's Profile AuntyAnne70 Flag Tunbridge WElls 10 Jan 21 9.45pm Send a Private Message to AuntyAnne70 Add AuntyAnne70 as a friend

Doombear's reply is also pretty salient.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Jan 21 10.44pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I'd retire. Even Fergie had retried by his age. I'd hope to be retired a long time before that. Maybe go out and pursue other passions, travel the world, spend time with grandkids?

£4.5m a year is a lot of money, but when you are already a multimillionaire surely there's better stuff you can do with your time than go to a freezing cold training ground in Beckenham every day. He can't take it with him and only has one child to give it to. Surely, you get to a point when you don't need the money anymore. Maybe Mrs Roy wants a Sunseaker?

Given he's in the twilight of his career. Why's he satisfied with such a low level of ambition. Friday night may have been his last opportunity to win a major trophy and we didn't even chase the game.

He had one season to prove a point after his England failure. Now, I cant really see what would motivate him. He's done this all before and isn't going to try anything new. He has got a track record of being stubborn though.

What would you do if you were a 73 year old multimillionaire who'd already had a long career?

Edited by jeeagles (10 Jan 2021 5.03pm)

That's not really answering my question.

Clearly Roy is not going to retire at least until the end of the season.

So again, would you change a formula that has previously worked for you if you were him ?

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 10 Jan 21 10.45pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

Have you ever considered that it’s not about the money and that he just loves football ?

Has he never considered palace fans love football, albeit not his type.

 

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jeeagles Flag 10 Jan 21 11.49pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

That's not really answering my question.

Clearly Roy is not going to retire at least until the end of the season.

So again, would you change a formula that has previously worked for you if you were him ?

The question was.

"Honestly now - what would you do if you were him?".

I'd 100% retire. I enjoy my job and make a decent living, but working is, well, too much like hard work. I'm not that motivated by money, so throwing money at me to keep working wouldn't make a difference. Maybe dable in bits of work here and their but I'd be f***ed if I had to do the level of work expected of a premiership manager. This is possibly why I dont understand why Roy would want to do it. And, I'd be interested to know what you would do if you were 73 year old millionaire whos achieved everything they could?

In answer to your second question. I think you always need know what your competitors are doing and always try and be on the cutting edge. You cant rely on just doing the same as you always did as the world moved on. Fine to keep the foundations, but you've got to look for continuous improvement everywhere, all the time. Speaking from my own experience, there's youngsters now out of university who've been taught to use technologies that I don't know how to operate - that pisses me off because I thought I was always pushing for to use the latest methods. I've got to learn and embrace all the new stuff otherwise I'm f***ed tbh. If Roy wasn't so totally reluctant to change I might go a bit easier on him.

I think we'll see Allardyce fail with West Brom this year. Whilst he's always pushed new technologies and techniques, he's not been at the beating heart of things for a while and his ways have fallen behind, losing his edge. Roy has been at the heart of things but hasn't looked to evolve.

 

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View leejaneagles's Profile leejaneagles Flag 11 Jan 21 12.33am Send a Private Message to leejaneagles Add leejaneagles as a friend

You do have to bare in mind though what it takes to be in the top 1%. I’m referring to the richest people in the World broadly speaking but okay if Roy falls short of that you can break it down into several other categories - top 1% of Football Managers, top 1% of 74 year old rich people that didn’t grow up rich etc etc.

Point is, to make it to the top 1% without inheriting anything is so extremely hard and aside from pure luck takes such a level of hard work and dedication that it’s probably impossible for Someone to just switch off and relax just because they’re ‘a 74 year old millionaire with everything they need’.

The key to these people is a trait in personality that they can’t relax. A beach holiday for 2 weeks is hell, so the idea of doing that for all of retirement/rest of your life is probably agony.

Could be coincidence but Alex Ferguson had a brain aneurism and nearly died a couple of years after retiring to relax as Man Utd Manager. Physically speaking he should’ve been much more likely to suffer a stress related illness whilst at Man Utd but psychologically it may well be he manages stress a lot better in a highly stressed workplace environment.

When you take a look at a lot of other professions that fall into the top 1% - acting for example, you can get away with having a mini project once a year where the Director and Stunt Doubles can make Robert DeNiro look good still so people don’t notice as much.

But you of course can argue the same thing for them - when your mind is aged and fragile, your body is stiff but you have the money to live on a Beach for eternity then why wake up in the morning to learn lines, travel to film shoot destinations around the Country/World, spend hours uncomfortable in makeup under hot lights, promote your film on late night chat shows?

Surely they have all the money too like Roy? Well yes and they also have the same personality of never being able to rest. It’s a blessing and a curse. Reverse it and people like us dream of being rich beyond our wildest dreams so we can live on a beach or a Mansion. Sadly that’s the very reason we never will because we take breaks and enjoy relaxation time, most of us probably far too much to ever be SUPER successful. (Don’t take that as an insult or send you into a depression, I only mean a healthier work/life balance usually means you don’t achieve the top 1% in your field or of Humanity).

I’m sorry I’m sure this has been a boring ramble but it was just in relation to you guys going back and forth with ‘what would you do in Roy’s shoes?’ It broadly doesn’t matter because what you would do is the very reason you won’t be in his position in the first place. So it’s moot.

Edited by leejaneagles (11 Jan 2021 12.35am)

 

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Originally posted by leejaneagles

You do have to bare in mind though what it takes to be in the top 1%. I’m referring to the richest people in the World broadly speaking but okay if Roy falls short of that you can break it down into several other categories - top 1% of Football Managers, top 1% of 74 year old rich people that didn’t grow up rich etc etc.

Point is, to make it to the top 1% without inheriting anything is so extremely hard and aside from pure luck takes such a level of hard work and dedication that it’s probably impossible for Someone to just switch off and relax just because they’re ‘a 74 year old millionaire with everything they need’.

The key to these people is a trait in personality that they can’t relax. A beach holiday for 2 weeks is hell, so the idea of doing that for all of retirement/rest of your life is probably agony.

Could be coincidence but Alex Ferguson had a brain aneurism and nearly died a couple of years after retiring to relax as Man Utd Manager. Physically speaking he should’ve been much more likely to suffer a stress related illness whilst at Man Utd but psychologically it may well be he manages stress a lot better in a highly stressed workplace environment.

When you take a look at a lot of other professions that fall into the top 1% - acting for example, you can get away with having a mini project once a year where the Director and Stunt Doubles can make Robert DeNiro look good still so people don’t notice as much.

But you of course can argue the same thing for them - when your mind is aged and fragile, your body is stiff but you have the money to live on a Beach for eternity then why wake up in the morning to learn lines, travel to film shoot destinations around the Country/World, spend hours uncomfortable in makeup under hot lights, promote your film on late night chat shows?

Surely they have all the money too like Roy? Well yes and they also have the same personality of never being able to rest. It’s a blessing and a curse. Reverse it and people like us dream of being rich beyond our wildest dreams so we can live on a beach or a Mansion. Sadly that’s the very reason we never will because we take breaks and enjoy relaxation time, most of us probably far too much to ever be SUPER successful. (Don’t take that as an insult or send you into a depression, I only mean a healthier work/life balance usually means you don’t achieve the top 1% in your field or of Humanity).

I’m sorry I’m sure this has been a boring ramble but it was just in relation to you guys going back and forth with ‘what would you do in Roy’s shoes?’ It broadly doesn’t matter because what you would do is the very reason you won’t be in his position in the first place. So it’s moot.

Edited by leejaneagles (11 Jan 2021 12.35am)

Get out of here! Who do you think you are posting sensibly! This is a footy fan site. None of this reasonable guff is allowed. Toe the line. Roy out. He needs to be on a beach. Or a cruise. Or anywhere other than wrecking our team. 73 years old is past it. Football has moved on. He is clueless. He makes players play in the wrong position. He makes them get older and slower, and unable to pass a ball. He stops them from attacking, or defending, or playing football, and he has his favourites, and , and, and....

Nice post though

 


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