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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 17 May 22 10.25pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

You've picked on a number of my posts of late, often to highlight a single word. Is this me not having a sense of humour or have I completely missed some sort of 'beef' I'm intended to be involved in?

Sorry, mate. I love your posts and any retorts by me have meant to be humorous (at best) or poignant. Sorry that I appear to have offended.

In this instance, as Becky has mentioned "Bring a pal to the Palace" was a (dreadful) promotional campaign back in the day. There was even a (dreadful) song belted out over the (equally dreadful) Selhurst Park PA system:

All power to the Palace
At home or away-ay
All power to the Palace
Bring a friend to watch us play-ay-ay!
Bring a pal to the palace today!


Edited by YT (17 May 2022 10.40pm)

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 17 May 22 10.29pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

I don’t care really as long as my arse ain’t his target.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 17 May 22 10.43pm

This whole 'why does anyone need to know' stuff is past its sell by date, and just a way of getting people to shut up about their actual identity rather than 'identity politics'.

I essentially know the sexuality of most footballers to some extent on account that they often talk about or have a girlfriend of wife. That is their own declaration. It of course (unfortunately) would get more of a reaction from fans and media if a famous player said he had a boyfriend. The 'who cares' brigade often care very much, and some will throw everything possible at the teenager to portray this in the negative. On the contrary it's a decision of integrity, honesty and one that itself will make it less, not more of an issue in future for others. I appreciate that some may try to use it politically for this reason or that, but that's somewhat beyond the lads control.

If the player personally wants to get past being concerned about this, it makes sense to mentally move beyond it as an issue by just stating a fact as a fact now, rather than waiting for it to be discovered or highlighted when others (a newspaper, an expartner etc) prefer.

Also sexuality equates to who someone is both sexually and emotionally interested in. It's no more limited to 'sex' than declaring anyone elses sexuality or relationship as being soley about sex and nothing else, as if they should just never mention their entire personal life or always hide it if it's something others personally don't want to hear. Hard luck. This decision is the basis for just getting on with life as normal.

The world moves on and most move with it. It's a good thing. No point in him hiding it due to small minded types. Life's too short and he has the support of his family, which is he main thing, and sadly often lacking in those who like to control or diminish even those close to them to prop up their own insecurities. Zero allegiance types. Fair play to the lad. It'll soon be old news and he's getting ahead of inevitable headlines down the line that would've said the same thing but on their terms.

Edited by BlueJay (17 May 2022 11.19pm)

 

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View Beastie's Profile Beastie Flag 18 May 22 7.49am Send a Private Message to Beastie Add Beastie as a friend

I see Kouyaté has commited a thoughtcrime by showing support for Idrissa Gueye.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 May 22 8.23am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

I see Kouyaté has commited a thoughtcrime by showing support for Idrissa Gueye.

This is the problem when a team decides to make a policial statement. For starters who makes that decision the players collectively or the owners?

Either way what happens if you don't support the cause you are then placed in an intolerable position. The assumption is that if you refuse to wear the rainbow patch you must be homophobic. But why should a player be put in that position of having to explain himself. To borrow a phrase he has been outed.

Lots of people from the alphabet soup no longer support Stonewall
that doesn't make them homophobic.

If individuals want to make a statement about their views that is their business but it should be kept out of sport as much as possible.

 


One more point

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 May 22 8.29am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Sorry, mate. I love your posts and any retorts by me have meant to be humorous (at best) or poignant. Sorry that I appear to have offended.

In this instance, as Becky has mentioned "Bring a pal to the Palace" was a (dreadful) promotional campaign back in the day. There was even a (dreadful) song belted out over the (equally dreadful) Selhurst Park PA system:

All power to the Palace
At home or away-ay
All power to the Palace
Bring a friend to watch us play-ay-ay!
Bring a pal to the palace today!


Edited by YT (17 May 2022 10.40pm)

No problem at all.

I think I've been guilty of that a few times myself which were intended to be humorous but I realise how annoying it is now, ha.

The only reason I mentioned it was being as I am, not adverse to the risque, I feared I may have severely offended someone in which case I was readying to provide an apology!

All's well that ends well!

And yes, very much aware of 'Bring a Pal to the Palace' but as mentioned previously but for some reason didn't think it sounded right!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 May 22 8.40am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

This is the problem when a team decides to make a policial statement. For starters who makes that decision the players collectively or the owners?

Either way what happens if you don't support the cause you are then placed in an intolerable position. The assumption is that if you refuse to wear the rainbow patch you must be homophobic. But why should a player be put in that position of having to explain himself. To borrow a phrase he has been outed.

Lots of people from the alphabet soup no longer support Stonewall
that doesn't make them homophobic.

If individuals want to make a statement about their views that is their business but it should be kept out of sport as much as possible.

And thus we reach the core of this madness!

The problem was, apparently, with people airing their views at football whether it be around race, homosexuality etc. etc. The position has been taken to go to the other end of the extreme now to counteract this but thus we arrive in the same place. It's one thing to say "You can't do/say x, y and z" and another entirely to say "You must now do the opposite".

There's also my long running annoyance at people, no matter how highly valued in society, that are famous for being able to 'play football', not valued for their intellect and whom are paid ridiculously to the extent they have nothing in common with your average Joe, are now apparently socio-political commentators for the rest of us? Lunacy!

Just out of interest however, haven't Everton for a number of seasons now had beer and gambling sponsors on their shirts? Has IG worn those? I can't help but kick the hornet's nest!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 18 May 22 9.03am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

No problem at all.

I think I've been guilty of that a few times myself which were intended to be humorous but I realise how annoying it is now, ha.

The only reason I mentioned it was being as I am, not adverse to the risque, I feared I may have severely offended someone in which case I was readying to provide an apology!

All's well that ends well!

And yes, very much aware of 'Bring a Pal to the Palace' but as mentioned previously but for some reason didn't think it sounded right!

Did Arsenal have a similar scheme?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 May 22 9.05am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

And thus we reach the core of this madness!

The problem was, apparently, with people airing their views at football whether it be around race, homosexuality etc. etc. The position has been taken to go to the other end of the extreme now to counteract this but thus we arrive in the same place. It's one thing to say "You can't do/say x, y and z" and another entirely to say "You must now do the opposite".

There's also my long running annoyance at people, no matter how highly valued in society, that are famous for being able to 'play football', not valued for their intellect and whom are paid ridiculously to the extent they have nothing in common with your average Joe, are now apparently socio-political commentators for the rest of us? Lunacy!

Just out of interest however, haven't Everton for a number of seasons now had beer and gambling sponsors on their shirts? Has IG worn those? I can't help but kick the hornet's nest!

And that's why I say this Blackpool lad should steer clear of being a spokesperson. As you say they are paid to kick a ball not for their intellectual and debating skills, football is rife with hypocrisy and if this lad speaks out on gay issues he may find this pointed out.

 


One more point

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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 18 May 22 10.14am Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

I see Kouyaté has commited a thoughtcrime by showing support for Idrissa Gueye.

He's stuffed up. Evidently not the most intelligent given he's out of contract in 6 weeks.

The usual argument of 'keep it out of sport' etc. fails to recognise that, for the players themselves, it's a workplace. The US Army rightfully shifted their 'don't ask, don't tell' policy and if players are going to be openly critical they a) become a legal risk to the clubs; and b) become a harmony risk.

Two games coming up in four days that decide a 6 position swing in how we finish the season and he's decided to prioritise IG? Muppet.

 


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View Beastie's Profile Beastie Flag 18 May 22 10.46am Send a Private Message to Beastie Add Beastie as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

He's stuffed up. Evidently not the most intelligent given he's out of contract in 6 weeks.

The usual argument of 'keep it out of sport' etc. fails to recognise that, for the players themselves, it's a workplace. The US Army rightfully shifted their 'don't ask, don't tell' policy and if players are going to be openly critical they a) become a legal risk to the clubs; and b) become a harmony risk.

Two games coming up in four days that decide a 6 position swing in how we finish the season and he's decided to prioritise IG? Muppet.

Well my company is super-woke and we were offered rainbow lanyards but even they didn't force people to wear them.

I don't think Kouyaté or Gueyehe have criticised anyone.

Edited by Beastie (18 May 2022 10.47am)

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 18 May 22 10.47am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

No problem at all.

I think I've been guilty of that a few times myself which were intended to be humorous but I realise how annoying it is now, ha.

The only reason I mentioned it was being as I am, not adverse to the risque, I feared I may have severely offended someone in which case I was readying to provide an apology!

All's well that ends well!

And yes, very much aware of 'Bring a Pal to the Palace' but as mentioned previously but for some reason didn't think it sounded right!

I tried to be supportive of the Bring A Pal campaign but it got me into trouble.

I couldn't find a Pal so I brought a Chum instead. Sniffer dog found it and I was told I couldn't bring tins of dogfood into the stadium.

To this day they've never shown me where this is stated.

 


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