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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 16 Mar 23 10.27am Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

A very well balanced post that sums up pretty much how I feel as well.

Sure as hell don't want us relegated, but if it happens, we have to to understand that it's not the end of everything. If we can't/won't invest short term in the first team squad it becomes a chance to reset and start again.

There is certainly no need for racist or toxic comments. Likewise I see no need for vitriol or nasty comments made to Vieira. He is a decent man trying to do a difficult job with limited resources.

Let's hope we stay up and the board decides its time to support the manager and give us fans something to look forward to next season.

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think that's a fair commentary.

Whether or not it is 'all PV's fault' is irrelevant at this stage however I would add though, my thinking is that it is very far from all his fault. The question for me is solely PL survival right now and I don't think PV has the capability to deliver that, mainly due to the fact an all time low for which he is the poster boy, first in the firing line and easiest replaced, right or not, needs to be reversed.

The 'investors' coming in, for me, always seemed a bit overhyped if not misconstrued as the prospect of impactful financial backing. They aren't in it for the glory, fun or what have you, they are literally just investing, with very little understanding of the game and what for me has now been confirmed as a financial venture as opposed to a sporting or personal one.

The paradigm therefore is correlating the playing side of things with the financial stance. There's no point us having someone in like PV if there is not going to be sincere investment into the team and that's being proved. We now have a very lightweight squad, where the quality isn't consistent enough even in the first team to see us really hopeful of anything but just staying in the PL, which we may well not do.

I'm reluctant to pin this all on Parish, even if it is bad strategy from him I still believe he was (one of) our saviour, has worked wonders and has the club's best interest at heart. Equally, I am reluctant to lob vitriol at PV with any real venom however that's very different to saying he's a square peg in a round hole atm.

You never know, my dream is we do pick up wins when we need them, go into the next PL season off the back of some sincere investment in the summer and brighter days ahead. That all seems very much fantasy to me now however and what I would much prefer is some reality and honesty about everything from what's happening on the pitch to what's happening with the business. I believe the term 'gaslighting' is being used a lot by youngsters these days and seems relevant. Getting overly angry/emotional about the football side of things is pointless and some clarity would help ease that. I fear we are going to see some real toxicity come to the fore soon however. I have even seen the emergence of some racist commentary by fans on social media etc. and that for me is so far removed from my club's identity.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 16 Mar 23 10.30am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Who makes the key decision as to whether Viera is replaced?
Although Parish is in general terms in charge of day to day matters certain key decisions, e.g expenditure above a certain amount , have to be agreed between the major investors.
I’m wondering if changing the manager is one of those key decisions.

I would guess that it is a board decision as apart from anything else it will have financial repercussions

Originally posted by PatrickA

Parish’s shareholding is supposedly diluted to around 18% now

My understanding is that Parish's shareholding is only 10% but he has 25% of the voting rights.

Originally posted by PatrickA

The overall executive structure of the club has always seemed opaque, in particular since Textor has become involved.
If, for example, Textor and the two other longer standing American investors want Viera out as they fear the consequences of relegation with our spiralling form, but Parish thinks we should stick with him, what happens?
Is it a majority decision, one where there has to be consensus, or a decision reserved to Parish in his executive role.
I would be surprised if it was the latter with so much money at stake.

Much about the club is opaque nowadays including the ownership as it seems to be vested in Delaware where such things do not have to be published. Parish is not great at letting the supporters know anything about the club including issuing denials about players that the media have linked us with that we don't actually have any interest in

 

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View SnapperKain's Profile SnapperKain Flag SE25 6PU 16 Mar 23 11.06am Send a Private Message to SnapperKain Add SnapperKain as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

I could see a season of struggle after the summer transfer window, and then we failed to rectify all the problems in the winter one.

In the summer window we needed replacements for Gallagher, Kouyate Benteke and Kelly. We also needed to upgrade/replace McArthur, Luka, one of Ward/Clyne and get a second left back. For me we needed 5 or 6 players in who could come into the first team or be adequate replacements for the bench. What did we do? Get in one player who was first team ready, a couple of injury prone bench players (Richards and Johnstone) and some promising youngsters, who have been subsequently been loaned out.

In the winter window, we tried to strengthen the midfield but have brought in another youngster who seems not to be ready to start and a loan player, so we haven't fully addressed the issue.

This summer, should we stay up, we still have all of the above plus consider replacements for Ayew, Tomkins and Zaha. We have continually kicked the can down the road and it's now caught up with us. If we don't go down this year, we certainly will next if we think we can paper over the cracks again by buying one or two players who are first team material and another couple of promising youngsters.

For me, I suspect there is something not right at board room level, because if I and many other Palace fans could see the weakness in the squad, I sure as hell hope the board could. I can only think the hope was we could stay up and board room issues could be resolved next summer, with a fresh injection of cash to rebuild half a team. Either that or it's project reset and go down and start again.

Vieira may not be perfect, but every game I look at our bench and I look to think who can we bring on to change it, and its depressing. We have two of the worst forwards, two of the worst right backs, one out of form left back, one fit first team goalkeeper and not a lot of options in midfield. The squad is as imbalanced as it has ever been since we have been back in the Premier League. We have 5-6 very good players, though most of them are not back to the wall battlers either. Thankfully we haven't been injury ravaged.

Do we stick or twist? Either way I can't see how bringing a new manager in will change much, as the squad is woefully inadequate. Will we go down? Possible, but if we don't and we have another summer transfer window like the last one, we will be going down with an embarrassingly low level of points.

To me the fault is at board level. If we don't have the money then it is natural we won't be able to compete. It is the board's job to find ways that we can. FFP - we have to address that at a later stage. Anyone who thinks it's completely Vieira's fault is looking for a scapegoat that we can change now and as stated above I'm not sure anyone coming in will be able to do any better.

You've summed up exactly what I've been thinking. I don't think changing the manager will make Edouard or Mateta suddenly turn into goal machines, convince Zaha to stay or suddenly open the door to a hidden treasure trove of talent we can bring in. The squad is what it is and it's woeful at the moment. As you've said, it was obvious to everyone that we needed at least a couple of midfielders to take the place of Gallagher et al and give us more options than our currently aged midfielders and we've been needing a decent striker since we lost Glenn Murray!

Why we haven't got those players is anyone's guess but it does seem like the board has some questions to answer here. We're not in a position where our investors are like Newcastle, Man City, Chelsea, etc. where it seems it's more about the success than anything else, but surely going down will hit their bottom line, so why not do something? If we do stay up and can't convince some decent players to join us, we'll definitely go down next season. Bloody obvious, but seems that PV and the board can't seem to see the bloody obvious given our signings over the summer and January.

 


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Originally posted by SnapperKain

You've summed up exactly what I've been thinking. I don't think changing the manager will make Edouard or Mateta suddenly turn into goal machines, convince Zaha to stay or suddenly open the door to a hidden treasure trove of talent we can bring in. The squad is what it is and it's woeful at the moment. As you've said, it was obvious to everyone that we needed at least a couple of midfielders to take the place of Gallagher et al and give us more options than our currently aged midfielders and we've been needing a decent striker since we lost Glenn Murray!

Why we haven't got those players is anyone's guess but it does seem like the board has some questions to answer here. We're not in a position where our investors are like Newcastle, Man City, Chelsea, etc. where it seems it's more about the success than anything else, but surely going down will hit their bottom line, so why not do something? If we do stay up and can't convince some decent players to join us, we'll definitely go down next season. Bloody obvious, but seems that PV and the board can't seem to see the bloody obvious given our signings over the summer and January.

At this stage, deliberating the pros and cons and reasons for our transfer policy is for another day.

The bottom line is whether the current squad can get enough points under Vieira or someone else

No one really expected us to get many points from our recent run of games. Perhaps a point against Fullham, Bright*n and Villa but not much more.
Going forward, we play teams below us after the break, and the board now have to decide if Vieria is still the right man for the job.
I suspect that anything other than a win against Leicester and that could make up their mind.
Personally, I find it hard to see any wins the way we are playing.
Dropping Eze is ridiculous, and persisting with Ayew clearly doesn't yield results.
We need around 11 points and I can only see us getting 9 at most the way it is right now.
What concerns me most is that it seems clear that Vieira really does not know how to fix the problems, and the players don't seem capable of improvement.

 

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