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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 19 Apr 15 10.33am Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

I was eight years old at the time - I presume he was brought in to replace a sacked Bert Head - were we cut adrift at the time cos after he led us to beat Chelsea 2-0 I think we had a run of losses which ended in relegation. His long term effect was great but short term there was the double drop of course - he has to be blamed for the second relegation but what about the first? The general consensus is he wasn't to blame but has anyone got results and tables from that time to show the situation, or can anyone remember the immediate impact on the team and if more could have been done by him. If you see some of the football that Palace side played that season there was no way we should have gone down - Golden Goal on the Big Match and the 5-0 v Man U etc.

 

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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 19 Apr 15 10.45am

Mal recalled in his memoirs that everything just fell apart in his hands with the inference that he was a helpless bystander. Well he wasn't, he was the boss and had some good players to work with. I can imagine that he rode roughshod over Bert Head's established style and upset the players much like Clough did at Leeds. He may have added some glamour but he took an established team and landed them in Division 3 and it should not have happened. I think it was Venables who did the rebuilding job.

 


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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 19 Apr 15 3.23pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

We won our first game under him 2-0 v Chelsea, and the last 3-2 at Man City, but we lost the five in between and that's what put us down. He seems to have got away with those five defeats - I'll have to research how Bert Head left, but it seems like the club attempted to have an impact to avoid relegation which backfired - we weren't cut adrift when he joined I presume, but we were after those five losses.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 20 Apr 15 10.35pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Thanks for the fixtures - of course Bert Head went up as general manager and left the club in May - if you research the Swindon Town side he led he really had some players, apart from Don Rogers there was Mike Summersby and Bobby Woodruff. I get the feeling that love Big Mal though I still do, he was too much in love with ideas and may have felt it beneath him to do a Pulis and get the points the ugly way. Be nice to know someone who was older than me at the time whether they thought Mal screwed up in Div 1 or not.

 

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View PalacePhotoMan's Profile PalacePhotoMan Flag Wallington 20 Apr 15 11.41pm Send a Private Message to PalacePhotoMan Add PalacePhotoMan as a friend

I wouldn't say he screwed up in Div 1, we had some decent players but no backbone and that was the main problem.

However in Div 2 he tinkered with too many things - width of pitch, nicknames for players, colour change, Eagles for Glaziers, etc etc - and had a fight with the legend that was John Jackson that resulted in him being flogged to Orient - he played another 10 years' league football after he left us so there was no way he was over the hill in 1973. A nervous and error-prone but very promising Paul Hammond was played in his place and that cost us big time. He signed maybe a dozen players most of whom were past it or erratic at best, he did sign a couple of decent younger players from Man City (Jeffries & Johnson) and Peter Taylor from Southend, but too much tinkering with line-up and personnel meant there was no continuity or consistency. We didn't win a game till November but once we won a game we improved a lot and started to win home games impressively, with Taylor proving to be an inspired signing. On Easter Friday we won at Fulham and moved out of the drop zone for the first time, but then we lost to Millwall and Hull and back we went. We had to win 2 away games to stay up and we got 3 points from 4 - not enough. It was heart-breaking.

 


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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 21 Apr 15 9.54pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

thank you sir, but I remember 73-74 like it was yesterday - 15 games with no win till 1-0 away at Bristol City on MOTD, I was at Craven Cottage when we won 3-1 - Taylor destroyed them 3-0 up at HT Fulhan replied second half through a certain Bobby Moore, wasn't it Easter Monday? then lost return 2-0 a week or two later in what was one of the very worst Palace performances I have witnessed - up there with 0-3 v Coventry in 81 and Wimbledon 0-5 - a collective nervous breakdown apart from another good Allison buy - Roy Barry. 2-3 v Millwall at the old Den was the Big Match - two games and two wins needed - won at Swindon but drew at Cardiff - but 72-73 is a lot vaguer - the year 73 was my transformation into a mature football nerd, thank you for throwing a bit of light on it for me.

 

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View RougeFish's Profile RougeFish Flag 28 Apr 15 8.14pm Send a Private Message to RougeFish Add RougeFish as a friend

The older fans amongst us will recall that he was an average player who became the side kick to Joe Mercer then the manager of a good but not great Manchester city side. Big Mal was not up to it but can count on some cup victories metered by the fact that the players in these type of games need little if any motivation. He brought Peter Taylor in and gave an old horse Don Rogers an extended run after we had seen his best. Personally I think all the bulls*** hid the fact that Palace were still very much a non entity when compared to the giants of the league the fact that the Chelsea win was the first London derby win we had in the old division one was pathetic. I am being harsh I know but there were some very enjoyable games and enough to keep me coming to the games.

 

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View eagle52's Profile eagle52 Flag Shirley,Croydon 05 May 15 4.28pm Send a Private Message to eagle52 Add eagle52 as a friend

In our 3 seasons in Div1 we only beat 3 London clubs.In 1969/70 we knocked Spurs out of the FACup 1-0 at Selhurst,we beat Arsenal at Highbury 2-0 in the League Cup the following season.And as stated our solitary league win was at home to Chelsea, with the prospect of relegation at the end of that season.I went to all these games and remember travelling home on the tube from Highbury with my coat buttoned up as claret and blue was not very popular that night.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 06 May 15 10.31am Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

It was four seasons, Shirley you remember that surely. But rather than a not unwelcome trip through the back doubles of nostalgia if we could stay on memory lane itself ... did Big Mal blow it after the 2-0 win v Chelsea, 1 point from the next six ... and wtf were the club thinking about replacing Bert Head at such a crucial stage? I remember Mal arrived to a red carpet welcome, loads of publicity, we were NOT cut adrift at the time, could have waited till summer but just assumed that a bigger and better boss would do better? Which he didn't. Did he inherit decline or did he fail to give the boost a new manager often does, were his hands tied cos he didn't have the time to bring in a few grafters, did he pick the wrong players. Thoughts?

 

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View eagle52's Profile eagle52 Flag Shirley,Croydon 06 May 15 12.05pm Send a Private Message to eagle52 Add eagle52 as a friend

Quite right, it was four seasons. A senior moment as I had three on my mind as the wins were in three different competitions. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 18 May 15 8.46pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

I am not sure what went wrong with Big Mal. For many of us it still seems odd that a manager who took us from the 1st Division to the 3rd , without pausing for breath (and kept us there), should be remembered as something of an icon.

I believe that if it hadn't have been for that remarkable cup run in 1975-76, his stock would now be much lower.

He certainly brought Palace much publicity but it was left to Venables to turn things around, although, to be fair, it was Allison who persuaded TV to give up playing and turn to coaching.

 

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