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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 07 Mar 18 1.04am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Whilst like everyone here I hope above hope we survive this year just wondering if our standard player contracts give us the ability to reduce wages in the event of relegation.

You look at the Sunderland / Rodwell fiasco and just hope we don't potentially have players we cannot shift who just hang around for the wages

 


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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 07 Mar 18 6.06am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

I remember a few years back, a documentary on Birmingham where they said these had effectively become impossible. the players you'd want simply wouldn't sign for you if you insisted. Since then, the gap between the PL and the championship has ballooned so perhaps the clubs with a higher risk of relegation became more insistent.

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 07 Mar 18 7.35am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Doesn’t Sky money give parachute payments to the relegated?
I wonder what our two big signings, Benteke, and Sakho would be worth if we go down?
If we kept all our players we would fly back up. Personally I don’t see it happening, not after the other night.

 

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View steven_t92's Profile steven_t92 Flag Orpington 07 Mar 18 8.11am Send a Private Message to steven_t92 Add steven_t92 as a friend

We'll be screwed if we go down, several players are 9n 100k+ and I don't know many championship clubs with many players over 50k. Basically our whole starting 11 would have to be shifted as I don't think many would like a pay cut if it even in their contracts.

Zaha
Benteke
Cabaye
Wickham (Pardew genius) 80k
Pva
Sakho
Tomkins
Dann
Luka
Townsend

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Mar 18 8.56am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by steven_t92

We'll be screwed if we go down, several players are 9n 100k+ and I don't know many championship clubs with many players over 50k. Basically our whole starting 11 would have to be shifted as I don't think many would like a pay cut if it even in their contracts.

Zaha
Benteke
Cabaye
Wickham (Pardew genius) 80k
Pva
Sakho
Tomkins
Dann
Luka
Townsend

You're not far off.

Moving Benteke and Sakho out will be crucial and very very difficult I reckon. I doubt those 2 have relegation clauses. Just a hunch. It took signing Benteke's brother to get him signed and then there's Sakho who named himself #soldierreturns or something on his instagram photo when signing permanently, then no sign of him at Spurs and is he at training on Tuesday when sending instagram videos out at 11am or at training on Wednesday when going to France for his charity?

Cabaye is out of contract.

A couple of the others I'm concerned don't have relegation wage clauses.

People saying or counting on promotion or a very competitive side are hopeful and guessing, seeing as they've no idea who'll be here, who we'll buy so no idea of the team at all really.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Mar 18 8.58am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Doesn’t Sky money give parachute payments to the relegated?
I wonder what our two big signings, Benteke, and Sakho would be worth if we go down?
If we kept all our players we would fly back up. Personally I don’t see it happening, not after the other night.

Don't see what happening?

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Mar 18 9.30am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

If they don't have relegation clauses then I really would be disappointed in Parish. We don't know of course but as we are a yo yo team it is not the same as say Arsenal getting relegated.

Someone mentioned Sunderland it is not just Rodwell I think most of that squad didn't have clauses. Not only can you not get rid of them as other clubs wont pay the same wages it also impacts on your recruitment. Who wants to sign for a club on 5k when the rest of the squad is on 50k (and not performing).

It has taken Aston Villa years to unwind that mess and I suspect the same applies to Sunderland.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Mar 18 9.39am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

If they don't have relegation clauses then I really would be disappointed in Parish. We don't know of course but as we are a yo yo team it is not the same as say Arsenal getting relegated.

Someone mentioned Sunderland it is not just Rodwell I think most of that squad didn't have clauses. Not only can you not get rid of them as other clubs wont pay the same wages it also impacts on your recruitment. Who wants to sign for a club on 5k when the rest of the squad is on 50k (and not performing).

It has taken Aston Villa years to unwind that mess and I suspect the same applies to Sunderland.

Villa? This is their 2nd season in the championship and they're now 3rd and waiting.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Mar 18 9.47am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Villa? This is their 2nd season in the championship and they're now 3rd and waiting.

After A.Villa were relegated a number of their players were sold on ie the likes of Lescott,Okore,N'Zogbia, Gueye,Sinclair,Gestede,Ayew,Veretout,Bennett,Gil,Sanchez etc. They finished 13th in the Championship last season but are now challenging for promotion.Steve Bruce has done an excellent job.

 

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 07 Mar 18 10.18am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

If we are relegated, I would expect most of the first team to attract bidders and be sold. The parachute payments are very generous and should cover any who refuse to budge.

Due to his injuries, Wickham could be the most problematic player to shift but even then I could see someone taking him on a season long lone.

Obviously it's all guess work and hopefully irrelevant.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 07 Mar 18 10.45am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I would guess (because I don't know for sure) that most players would have a clause in their contract in the event of relegation.
I say this, because when we got relegated from the PL in 2005 SJ had to find all the loose change he had to keep AJ for the fight to get promoted again.
In the event of relegation,I would think some players would be looking for transfers to get back in the PL.and likewise it would seem short0sighted for a club like ours, not to have some clause about renegotiation of wages.

I could be wrong

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Mar 18 11.24am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I would guess (because I don't know for sure) that most players would have a clause in their contract in the event of relegation.
I say this, because when we got relegated from the PL in 2005 SJ had to find all the loose change he had to keep AJ for the fight to get promoted again.
In the event of relegation,I would think some players would be looking for transfers to get back in the PL.and likewise it would seem short0sighted for a club like ours, not to have some clause about renegotiation of wages.

I could be wrong

Wasn't AJ's contract renewed with a higher wage that he'd get at the likes of Everton? That was the added cost and calculated risk/gamble.

I'd guess as well that most (I hope it is most) have relegation clauses, but I've a feeling some of the cream earners won't. Benteke and Sakho the most obvious. They left Liverpool being the biggest clue, then there's players with transfer fees so high it seems ridiculous that relegation is a possibility in a team they sign for so why would they (should they in the players' eyes) accept those terms?

 


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